The "Freshly Picked Oracles" Timeline

[Erimgard]

Well, as some of you may know, I've been pretty set with a timeline for quite some time:

...../WW-PH--MC--FS-FSA--aLttP-LA
OoT
.....\MM--TP--LoZ-AoL-OoS-OoA

However, last night I was thoroughly convinced by ManInTheMoon aka MercuryMule to change my timeline. The reason, this thread:
http://www.vgrc.net/forums/index.php...=0&#entry26168

also veiwable here:

Oracle Placement: Soon after Wind Waker?

I thought this was significant enough for me to post my official timeline as a thread, something I've never done before.
So, in light of the fact that my entire timeline has been changed because of Tingle I've named this theory the Freshly Picked Oracles Timeline Theory!

...../WW-PH--LoZ-AoL-OoX-[FPTRR]-MC--FS-FSA--aLttP-LA
OoT
.....\MM--TP

OoT
As you probably know, the ending of Ocarina of Time resulted in a split of the timeline. The adult side has Ganondorf sealed in the Sacred Realm, the Triforce split, and no Link. The Child Side has Link going back to a time before he met Zelda, and thwarting Ganondorf's plan to enter the Sacred Realm.

Child Timeline
The Triforce is split due to a divine prank:
The Execution and the Divine Prank

And with Ganondorf unable to enter the Sacred Realm, Link goes off to Termina, thinking there is no danger.

MM happens.

Ganondorf attempts to enter the Sacred Realm, is subdued and executed, survives, and is banished to the Sacred Realm.

TP happens.

Adult Timeline
Somehow, Ganondorf manages to escape the seal of the Sacred Realm/Dark Realm, and the goddesses flood Hyrule.

WW happens.
PH happens.

Either the Koroks and the Deku Tree are successful in bringing some of the islands together [which I will touch on later], or Link and Tetra find a new land, or both.

The new land is established, and somehow the Triforce is rediscovered. Because we don't know for sure what happened to it at the end of WW, it's hard to say exactly how it was found.

The AoL backstory happens.

Somehow, Ganon returns. It seems no mater where you put LoZ at, you have the 'unexplained Ganon' problem. I've chosen to put LoZ-AoL here because I believe they connect very well with OoX.
LoZ happens.
AoL happens.
OoX happens.

Twinrova in OoX has to either be a reincarnation, or the fulfillment of their threat to "haunt" Link.
Sometime after OoX, the Triforce is returned to the Sacred Realm. Whether it be by Link's wishing upon it, or being physically taken there is not known. aLttP states that it was 'hidden' in the Sacred Realm, but that's likely metaphorical of the difficulty in entering the Sacred Realm.

Next come's FPTRR.
Though many may not consider this to be a "real" game because it doesn't have Link as the protagonist. However, I think the game was clearly meant to be taken seriously, and to have timeline connotations. As brought up by ManInTheMoon, references are made to the happenings of OoX, showing that it belongs after OoX, but the world is depicted as a series of islands. The islands are close together, and even connected by bridges and called "continents". I believe this to be a clear indicator that the Hyrule we see in MC is the result of the Koroks success.



The islnds get bigger and closer until they eventually become one.The presence of places like "Lon Lon meadow" are indicators to me that the areas we see in MC were once islands. Also, this nullfies the concept that MC and FSA have to be close to OoT becuase of containing Lon Lon ranch.

While I can't say for certain, as hinted at earlier, I think it's possible that the Koroks succeeded and Link/Tetra found a new land. The Hyrule of LoZ and AoL could be the new land, while the Hyrule of MC could be the Korok's Hyrule. LoZ is called "a little kingdom in the land of Hyrule", suggesting that it doesn't necessarily have to be Hyrule proper. While my theory doesn't hinge up on this, I think it's an interesting possibility.

MC backstory happens
MC happens
FS backstory happens
FS happens

A new Ganondorf is born to the Gerudos. He acquires the Trident, once wielded by Ganon from OoX, and turns into Blue Pig Ganon.
According to Jumbie's Translations, FSA's quote about Ganondorf being reborn is literally translated as "King of Darkness… The man who took the Trident, the evil device (ja-ki) of the demon resurrected from ancient times!!"

Japanese Translation Update: FSA Ganondorf is not an "ancient demon reborn".

The context of it seems to suggest that the it's not FSA Ganondorf who has been reborn [though he apparently has too, judging by the game] but that the Trident was owned by a Demon who was resurrected. OoX Ganon fits that description very well.
It's possible that OoX Ganon's soul is harbored in the Trident, or that it just turns whoever touches it evil because it was previously owned by the King of Evil. Either way, it appears that we have a new Ganondorf who picks up a Trident previously owned by a resurrected Demon, and then becomes Blue Pig Ganon. He then steals the Dark Mirror, which I believe to be the Mirror of Twilight.

FSA happens.
Sometime after FSA, Ganon enters the Sacred Realm, and is stuck because the seal of OoT still remains.
In this way, the IW is still OoT, but there doesn't have to be a direct progression of IW to aLttP.

LA happens.

Well, that's what I've come up with. Questions, comments, or thoughts?

Also, I'd like to say that [LoZ-AoL] was very difficult to place. I think there are two places where they make a lot of sense:
Just before the Oracles
Just after the Oracles

And maybe even at the end of the timeline after LA.

The fact that FPTRR and possibly FSA make reference to OoX, but not LoZ-AoL was perhaps the main reason why I decided to place LoZ-AoL pre-OoX.
If LoZ-AoL were a more recent happening, I think they would get more recognition that OoX.
Aso, I think the state of the Triforce is pretty congruent from the AoL ending to the OoX beginning.

So, to clear up any confusion about how I see Ganon in the series, it goes as such:

OoT, WW, TP: Original Ganondorf
LoZ: Unknown, but possibly a revival of Original Ganondorf
OoX: Revival of LoZ Ganon
FSA: New Ganondorf possessed by th spirit of LoZ/OoX Ganon
aLttP: FSA Ganon

So, I believe in two Ganondorfs in this timeline, but likely the same Ganon spirit connecting them.
So, have at it ZU!

[lavvy]

FINALLY!

Someone who thinks Tingles game fits in on the timeline...if a little obscure.

I tip my hat to you sir, and thank you

[dallascowboy927]

No matter what happens, Erimgard and I are destined to disagree, though we both are converted to Tinglism by ManintheMoon, I just like OoX to be before LoZ/AoL for these reasons:

Take a look at their maps and the maps from LoZ/AoL, their areas of Hyrule both look very similar to Holodrum (LoZ) and Labrynna (AoL)

My idea: After Link's journeys to these two kingdoms, they are brought into the overall Kingdom of Hyrule.

Also, imagine this scenario;
Ganondorf dies at the end of WW ( i always thought it was strange that he is called Ganon but is in his human form)
Twinrova attempts to revive him at the end of OoX, but fail
Their failure creates monstrous pig Ganon, he is easily killed
His other minions revive him in LoZ (i think by sprinkling blood on his ashes but this doesnt have much proof)
If they revived him in this way, it would make sense that he was revived in the form that he was killed in, this Pig Ganon in LoZ, he is killed again
In AoL, his minions attempt to revive him using the same method they did last time, fail
BUT...
He left a portion of his spirit in his weapon, the trident, to be found by Ganondorf in FSA allowing him to be revived throught he new Ganondorf's body, FSA Ganon is the same Ganon as in ALttP.

Therefore, I place my timeline:

adult/WW-PH-OoX-<FPTRRL>-LoZ-AoL-TMC-FS-FSA-ALttP-LA
OoT
child\MM-TP

This also goes with dev quotes stating that LoZ/AoL preceed ALttP in the timeline!
Supports Holodrum=LoZ/AoL=Labrynna
Keeps AoL relatively close to OoT for the towns to have Sages names
Keeps OoX close to OoT to make sense out of the "cameos" in OoX such as the Biggoron's sword (several other items that also existed in the adult timeline), also keeps Twinrova comfortably close for their haunting.

I find this timeline perfectly defendable and am willing to defend it! YAAAH!
Lol, and thanks to Erimgard for moving me out of the Generally Accepted Timeline, but i still beat him by helping pull his goofy butt to an Adult heavy timeline!! I WIN!

[Erimgard]

Haha, well played laddy
Except for one thing: FPTRR has to come after OoX, and you have it before.
I think it's entirely possible that LoZ-AoL is after OoX, but I prefer them before.

And for now, I think I'm gonna go with the "Ganon's spirit is sealed in the Trident" concept, though I don't necessarily believe that's the only possibility.

[Adam_148]

I like this timeline theory, i hadn't considered the tingle game to be canon, but now i do, why aren't you considering link's crossbow training, or is that considered non-canon?

[Erimgard]

Originally Posted by Adam_148

I like this timeline theory, i hadn't considered the tingle game to be canon, but now i do, why aren't you considering link's crossbow training, or is that considered non-canon?

I see nothing wrong or non-canon about LCT, but I didn't include it because I don't feel it has much relevance to the timeline.
Because FPTRR makes references to other games and appears to support the Korok Hyrule theory, it has relevance.

[Adam_148]

ok, nintendo has to start making games or the child timeline, theres hardly anything in it

[Erimgard]

Originally Posted by Adam_148

ok, nintendo has to start making games or the child timeline, theres hardly anything in it

By my timeline anyway
This is just but a theory. I was quite convinced of the Oracles late in the timeline just two days ago, and I'm quite convinced they are not now.
With each new game/discovery, there's potential for the timeline to change.

[dallascowboy927]

Lol, sry timeline typo. Also, if you want i assume Crossbow Training goes after TP??? There just isnt much of a story for it to matter or be important, though i guess it can be considered canon, but by no means does it need to be included because it doesnt affect anything.
Edit: Also, my idea is that the child timeline was created out of OoT/MM. But since TP was Aonumas first game to develop, the child timeline's purpose may be to leave him with his own clean slate to work on after TP, i expect the next big game to take place in the child line.

[Erimgard]

Originally Posted by dallascowboy927

Lol, sry timeline typo. Also, if you want i assume Crossbow Training goes after TP??? There just isnt much of a story for it to matter or be important, though i guess it can be considered canon, but by no means does it need to be included because it doesnt affect anything.

Exactly.
Unless something in LCT connects to another game, or a future game, I don't plan on including it.

[Hombre de Mundo]

I support the timeline, though I think the name "Tingle Timeline" sounds much better than "Freshly Picked Oracles Timeline".

[Erimgard]

I considered that, but I don't know if I want the source of all my anger to be listed in the name of my timeline

[omega12]

But you are forgetting that tingle is the ultimate evil, and ganons father...

anyway, i think your the first person to peice this togher simple becuase of one charector xD

[Yamyum]

Wouldn't FPTRR have to appear before Majora's Mask?. This game does show Tingle become Tingle and Tingle was in Majora's Mask.

[Hombre de Mundo]

^ Could be another Tingle.

Originally Posted by Erimgard

I considered that, but I don't know if I want the source of all my anger to be listed in the name of my timeline

The name The Tingle Timeline is forever stuck in my head now... I won't be able to stop using it. But I'll try for you, Erimgard

[Erimgard]

Originally Posted by omega12

But you are forgetting that tingle is the ultimate evil, and ganons father...

hahaha

anyway, i think your the first person to peice this togher simple becuase of one charector xD

Well, not just one character. One game...with a certain lovable character in it

[bitterlime]

Well I still think that this is all very hasted of you, could someone post the actual quote that links FPTRRL to the Oracle games. Because the way it was described sounded very vague to me.
Anyway, except for the Triforce issues there's nothing that comes into my mind when it comes to flaws of this timeline, on the other hand it's midnight here and I just forced myself to read act 3-5 of "A Chaste Maid in Cheapside" a horrible book written in shakespearen english. X_x

EDIT: Is there a place were I can see all of the FPTRRL maps? All I can find is the first continent.

[TheManInTheMoon]

Well I still think that this is all very hasted of you, could someone post the actual quote that links FPTRRL to the Oracle games. Because the way it was described sounded very vague to me.

Since no Text Dumps exist, I'll have to go find it again

EDIT: Is there a place were I can see all of the FPTRRL maps? All I can find is the first continent.

When I complete the continents, I'll add the proper pictures.
Until then, only these are available

[dallascowboy927]

To the guy who said this had to preceed Majora's Mask:

In the game you start out giving a name and Tingle is a normal guy, not named Tingle yet, he then goes to this mysterious pond where the Rupee Master ( a Rupee head with a ghandi like body and mustache lol) gives you the name Tingle, we think that there may be many different Tingles, this would also explain how he exists in different TLs and Universes throughout the series. I got the ROM last night and am trying to play through it.

[TheManInTheMoon]

we think that there may be many different Tingles, this would also explain how he exists in different TLs and Universes throughout the series. I got the ROM last night and am trying to play through it.

Keep an eye on those birds in Port Town

[Yamyum]

Originally Posted by dallascowboy927

To the guy who said this had to precede Majora's Mask:

In the game you start out giving a name and Tingle is a normal guy, not named Tingle yet, he then goes to this mysterious pond where the Rupee Master ( a Rupee head with a ghandi like body and mustache lol) gives you the name Tingle, we think that there may be many different Tingles, this would also explain how he exists in different TLs and Universes throughout the series. I got the ROM last night and am trying to play through it.

That's me, and yes I know that already. I do have the game. Well, I believe that there's only one Tingle in the whole series. I've no proof but you don't either to prove me wrong.

Spoiler (Highlight to read):

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At the end of the game Tingle finds out it was a prank by Uncle Rupee and fights him at the end. Tingle is forever condemned to be Tingle forever. As long as he has rupees he can't die.

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[Erimgard]

Yamyum, please put that in a spoiler tag like this:
[*spoiler] [*/spoiler] without the asterisks.