Oracle Placement: Soon after Wind Waker?

[Erimgard]

This is taken from ManInTheMoon [aka MercuryMule] over at ZI and posted with his permission.

Originally Posted by TheManInTheMoon

I've been wanting to post this, might as well do it here.

I\'m playing FPTRR now and it has lead me to some points of contention over the OoX placement.
1. Subrosians appear (called Salona in English translation)
2. They reference contact with a hero in the past, and that they helped this hero.

This obviously places FPTRR as post OoX, but seeing as how the world is still composed of islands, it is also post-TWW, leading to an order I have not seen used before

TWW - OoX - FPTRR - (New Hyrule Games)

It also happens to support the theory of the deku tree bringing islands together. The islands of FPTRR are very close together, so much so that each island is connected to another by a bridge and strings of islands are referred to as continents. This in combination with locales such as Deku Forest (Location of the Great Deku Tree), Lon Lon Meadow, and Mount Desma (said to once be called the Mountain of Death) shows that the world of FPTRR must be one of 2 things.
1. Pre-TWW, where the flooding is incomplete and the old names are still around.
2. Post-TWW, where the Deku Tree is bringing islands together (or they\'re naturally unflooding) and the names from old hyrule re-surface.
Seeing as how 1 is unlikely due to the apparent speed of the flooding, that just leaves us with 2.

for the hell of it

http://www.vgrc.net/forums/index.php...=0&#entry26168
Read the original thread and the following discussion there^

To me, this is pretty good proof OoX has to happen early on in the adult timeline. Looks like Twinrova really did come back and haunt Link, eh?
Your thoughts?

[Hombre de Mundo]

It's a nice piece there. Kudos to the moonman.

I guess this is evidence enough, unless you wanna declare TFPCRL uncanon. The state of the Triforce would also be a bit of a strecth here, seing as how it would have to go from WW to OoX, when it fits much better with AoL-OoX.

Well, it should be considered, if anything.

[Erimgard]

Well, it's still possible with a "PH-LoZ-AoL-OoX-[Tingle]-MC'

[Hombre de Mundo]

^ Indeed it is. Still a bit of an uncertainy (or what's that word?) with the state of Triforce between WW and LoZ, but ya. it could work.

[GentleArtillery]

Nah. Is Freshly Picked: Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland really canon?
And also:

• The "Subrosians" aren't called Subrosians in the game, are they? Is there any canon evidence that they are the same, except some very obvious appearance similarities? And also, the "Subrosians" can have helped heroes more than once, right?
• This whole island thing again... Why can't there be oceans outside the adult timeline?
• Is the world that FPTRR takes place in Hyrule?

I don't find this any good evidence to outweigh the appearance of Twinrova.

[dallascowboy927]

I fully accept this new find, i've been playing a ROM of FRTRRL (not very far) but I intendo to search for other connections between it and confirmed canon games. I dont see why it shouldnt be considered canon, but a side story obviously unimportant compared to major games as there is no triforce or hero (presumably) i think of it as just another story in the world of zelda and since it is in this world and many things i am seeing ties it to canon, i dont see any reason why it should not be considered canon.

Also a side note: WW-PH-OoX-<FPTRRL>-LoZ-AoL would support those who believe Holodrum=LoZ Hyrule/Labrynna=AoL Hyrule. Imagine them as worlds (possibly in the great sea) that have not yet been added to Hyrule proper, but become major areas in Hyrule in the future once all of the islands/continents are unified.

Edit: It also makes sense in the light of so many things from the OoT universe appearing in OoX, such as the biggoron's sword and other notable "cameos" that escape me now, it makes sense to keep it close to OoT, also puts AoL quite early for the towns to be named after sages inb4mido. FURTHERMORE, it supports dev quotes that ALttP comes after LoZ/AoL.

[Mr. Lexxi Aileron]

The last known state of the Triforce in TWW is that it's in the hands of a king, which is conducive to both OoS/OoA and LoZ/AoL.

Anyway, given that I *cough* already put OoS/OoA close to TWW, I think I reserve the right to say "I told you so." That is, if you see this revelation as timeline-sensitive.


To GentleArtillery:

- "Subrosians" live underground. To my knowledge, the "Salona" do not. Are "Salona" simply Subrosians who live above-ground?
- The Deku Tree is not on an island, but is in TWW and apparently here as well.

[Erimgard]

Originally Posted by GentleArtillery

Nah. Is Freshly Picked: Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland really canon?
And also:

• The "Subrosians" aren't called Subrosians in the game, are they? Is there any canon evidence that they are the same, except some very obvious appearance similarities? And also, the "Subrosians" can have helped heroes more than once, right?
• This whole island thing again... Why can't there be oceans outside the adult timeline?
• Is the world that FPTRR takes place in Hyrule?

I don't find this any good evidence to outweigh the appearance of Twinrova.

The presence of places like Lon Lon Meadow and other things to me suggests heavily that the creators were trying to show MC Hyrule as the Koroks success.
I'll try to find more info about the Subrosians in FPTRR and get back to you.
Why shouldn't it be canon though?
And Twinrova did say [albeit in a comical way, sure] that they would come back to haunt you.
And yes, Lex, you told us so

[Hombre de Mundo]

To Dallas: I'm a supporter of LoZ=Holodrum, but not AoL=Labrynna. Even so, I like the concept of WW-PH-OoX-<FPTRRL>-LoZ-AoL for that reason

Nah. Is Freshly Picked: Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland really canon?
And also:

* The "Subrosians" aren't called Subrosians in the game, are they? Is there any canon evidence that they are the same, except some very obvious appearance similarities?
* This whole island thing again... Why can't there be oceans outside the adult timeline?
* Is the world that FPTRR takes place in Hyrule?

We know for sure there is an ocean and a Deku Tree in the Adult Timeline. None of those are seen in the Child Timeline even though we can assume there is a Deku Tree somewhere in the woods.

The canonity of TFPRCRL can be questioned. This is how I see it:

You can use the game to prove your theory, but you don't have to include it. I think it's semii-canon in that sense. That's just my personal opinion though.

EDIT: Was brutally ninja'd by Erimgard.

[GentleArtillery]

Originally Posted by Erimgard

Why shouldn't it be canon though?

It's not named The Legend of Zelda, remember? Tingle RPG is as canon as Wand of Gamelon, in my opinion. Include them if you want to, but they are certainly not anything that absolutely proves something.

[Erimgard]

Originally Posted by GentleArtillery

It's not named The Legend of Zelda, remember? Tingle RPG is as canon as Wand of Gamelon, in my opinion. Include them if you want to, but they are certainly not anything that absolutely proves something.

WoG was not made by Nintendo. FPTRR is.
I think the fact that they reference other games, include islands that are close together, and have a deku forest is pretty telling. I'm quite certain this game has timeline relevance and is meant to show the Koroks succeeded.

[dallascowboy927]

Wait guys...does TMC not directly following WW, and the Triforce playing such an important role in LoZ/AoL mess up the presence of the term Triumph Forks in TMC?
How many people know about the Triforce in LoZ/AoL/OoX? For that matter, how come for so long it is not mentioned. Oh wait, im reasoning in my head as i type, its gotta be hidden in the sacred realm sometime before ALttP, maybe directly after whatever game preceeds TMC (OoX or AoL) it is hidden to keep it safe from evil.
Other idea:
Could the Magical Sword be the Master Sword?
Could Ganon from this LoZ/OoX have sealed a portion of his soul in the trident for FSA?
How is Ganondorf revived and becomes Ganon for LoZ/AoL...wait, OoX first would allow twinrova to revive him, maybe the mess up is that he is revived as blue pig Ganon instead of Ganondorf. Then when he is revived before LoZ, he comes back in the form that he died in last time. His soul is sealed in the trident then a new man named Ganondorf finds it in the future providing a host body so to speak for Ganon to be revived into. Sry about all this, just thinking out loud...in text lol.

[Erimgard]

Originally Posted by dallascowboy927

Wait guys...does TMC not directly following WW, and the Triforce playing such an important role in LoZ/AoL mess up the presence of the term Triumph Forks in TMC?

The Triumph Forks reference is in a book. It could have been written during WW times.

Could Ganon from this LoZ/OoX have sealed a portion of his soul in the trident for FSA?

perhaps

How is Ganondorf revived and becomes Ganon for LoZ/AoL...wait, OoX first would allow twinrova to revive him, maybe the mess up is that he is revived as blue pig Ganon instead of Ganondorf

If OoX is before LoZ, then Twinrova have already sacrificed themselves, and the Ganon they brought back was killed

[bitterlime]

Well the problem I have with a post WW placement of FPTRRL, is that FPTRRL is the game were Tingle turns from a normal single in his 30ts into the rupee-addicted, green bodysuit wearing fairy that we all know and lo.....well we all know him.
Storywise it would make more sense for FPTRRL to take place before WW.

[dallascowboy927]

I know he was killed, but we see that Ganon has other followers in AoL who try to bring him back, they probably brought him back for LoZ too. And since he died as Pig Ganon, and the method they use is to sprinkle blood on his ashes, not do whatever the heck twinrova was trying to do, they have remnants of his old body, so he would be revived in the same state that he died in. AoL followers could be trying to use the same method they used the first time to bring him back, meaning that AoL ashes revival doesnt have to be the first time they used it, if anything, they are probably stupid moblins and instead of learning some new method to revive him, they try to do the same thing they already did. Hope that wasnt confusing...

[dallascowboy927]

Or, did a normal retarded dude, become TINGLE in the sense that random people named Link become HEROs? The name Tingle is appointed to him by the Rupee Master, he was born Mark (in my game at least, since you get to decide his name, lol!)

EDIT: CRAP i double posted dont hate me!
This could make sense considering there are more than one tingles and he exists in different universes and timelines without ever aging, there are always new tingles.

[Erimgard]

I think it's likely there is more than one Tingle, and thus, even though this game explains Tingle's rupy obsession, it doesn't have to come before all other games where he loves rupies

[dallascowboy927]

When was he ever really rupee crazy anyway, i just see him being involved with maps in other situations, i dont remember him being rupee obsessed much.

[TheManInTheMoon]

When was he ever really rupee crazy anyway, i just see him being involved with maps in other situations, i dont remember him being rupee obsessed much.

Remember what he charged for maps in TWW?

As for the Salona, that is only what they are called in the english version

[20:21] <%MoonMan> they opted for a completely different name
[20:21] <%MoonMan> in Japanese the place were you picked up bodyguards was called "Subrosian Saloon" NoE went with "Bodyguard Salon" and Salona to match



Also, the game makes it pretty clear that "Tingle" is a title, not just a single person.

[Hombre de Mundo]

^ Please do enlighten me on the last thing you said.

[TheManInTheMoon]

Uncle Rupee is capable of turning anyone into a Tingle, as Tingles exist to get Uncle Rupee more rupees.
So far I've seen 5 tingles in the game: Tingle himself, Barkle, and 3 birds Uncle Rupee randomly converted in a magic trick