the reincarnated link

My friend Duke Serkol has noticed that his work, and BS Zelda games, have been brough up in this topic and had some things to say on the matter. He didn't feel like creating an account to make a single post and asked me to post the following message for him.


I, Duke Serkol, would like to set things straight concerning the BS Zelda games and articles on my website, both of which have been brought up in this topic.
The BS Zelda games do not feature Link in any way. Ancient Stone Tablets is an original sequel during which Link is away from Hyrule. It may or may not be canon.
The original BS Zelda instead, is an alternative story to the original Zelda on NES. Instead of Link, who in that game (as most people know, barring Tuf Pic) came from another land as stated in the game’s manual, the Satellaview game features the system’s mascottes (the same that would later appear in AST). The adventure/story is almost exactly the same as in LoZ, except the hero comes from another world altogether and could be of either gender. As such the game is pretty much sure to not be canon (though things that can be observed in it may be considered worthy of attention, like Ganon’s possession of a trident).

In other words, it is my educated opinion BS Zelda should not be seen as a retconning remake of the first game, but rather as a what if. Feel free to ignore anything in it that openly contradicts the NES game.

Once again, let me reiterate, Link was never meant to be in either of those games. Patches to put him in, as well as the Master Sword and other similar things from other games, have been made by us fans, but unfortunately Tuf Pic fails to realize that this does not make their presence canon (or that the resemblance a fanmade sprite bears to another game’s starring character/item is completely irrelevant).

Concerning my storyline articles, I would just like to note that none of them has been written as supportive of Tuf Pic’s views (in fact most were written before Tuf Pic came on our board and starting posting his crazy ideas, like he’s doing here).
On the contrary, I disagree on pretty much anything that he says. In short, I don’t think Link was ever part Kokiri, I don’t think fans should fanwank Oracles’ ending to their liking, and I most certainly don’t believe that we had any immortal Link appearing in more than two (or at most three) games.
None of the articles, Q&A or any material on my site are meant to indicate any of this, Tuf Pic is simply reading what he wants in them the same way he’s reading what he wants in OoT’s dialogues. Therefore, I would like to ask all of you who would read them not to associate me and my articles to Tuf Pic in any way, thank you.

Originally Posted by Uncle Meat

My friend Duke Serkol has noticed that his work, and BS Zelda games, have been brough up in this topic and had some things to say on the matter. He didn't feel like creating an account to make a single post and asked me to post the following message for him.


I, Duke Serkol, would like to set things straight concerning the BS Zelda games and articles on my website, both of which have been brought up in this topic.
The BS Zelda games do not feature Link in any way. Ancient Stone Tablets is an original sequel during which Link is away from Hyrule. It may or may not be canon.
The original BS Zelda instead, is an alternative story to the original Zelda on NES. Instead of Link, who in that game (as most people know, barring Tuf Pic) came from another land as stated in the game’s manual, the Satellaview game features the system’s mascottes (the same that would later appear in AST). The adventure/story is almost exactly the same as in LoZ, except the hero comes from another world altogether and could be of either gender. As such the game is pretty much sure to not be canon (though things that can be observed in it may be considered worthy of attention, like Ganon’s possession of a trident).

In other words, it is my educated opinion BS Zelda should not be seen as a retconning remake of the first game, but rather as a what if. Feel free to ignore anything in it that openly contradicts the NES game.

Once again, let me reiterate, Link was never meant to be in either of those games. Patches to put him in, as well as the Master Sword and other similar things from other games, have been made by us fans, but unfortunately Tuf Pic fails to realize that this does not make their presence canon (or that the resemblance a fanmade sprite bears to another game’s starring character/item is completely irrelevant).

Concerning my storyline articles, I would just like to note that none of them has been written as supportive of Tuf Pic’s views (in fact most were written before Tuf Pic came on our board and starting posting his crazy ideas, like he’s doing here).
On the contrary, I disagree on pretty much anything that he says. In short, I don’t think Link was ever part Kokiri, I don’t think fans should fanwank Oracles’ ending to their liking, and I most certainly don’t believe that we had any immortal Link appearing in more than two (or at most three) games.
None of the articles, Q&A or any material on my site are meant to indicate any of this, Tuf Pic is simply reading what he wants in them the same way he’s reading what he wants in OoT’s dialogues. Therefore, I would like to ask all of you who would read them not to associate me and my articles to Tuf Pic in any way, thank you.

Thank you so very much. Same goes to Duke Serkol as well.

hehe fanwank

Originally Posted by Uncle Meat

My friend Duke Serkol has noticed that his work, and BS Zelda games, have been brought up in this topic and had some things to say on the matter. He didn't feel like creating an account to make a single post and asked me to post the following message for him.


I, Duke Serkol, would like to set things straight concerning the BS Zelda games and articles on my website, both of which have been brought up in this topic.
The BS Zelda games do not feature Link in any way. Ancient Stone Tablets is an original sequel during which Link is away from Hyrule. It may or may not be canon.
The original BS Zelda instead, is an alternative story to the original Zelda on NES. Instead of Link, who in that game (as most people know, barring Tuf Pic) came from another land as stated in the game’s manual, the Satellaview game features the system’s mascottes (the same that would later appear in AST). The adventure/story is almost exactly the same as in LoZ, except the hero comes from another world altogether and could be of either gender. As such the game is pretty much sure to not be canon (though things that can be observed in it may be considered worthy of attention, like Ganon’s possession of a trident).

In other words, it is my educated opinion BS Zelda should not be seen as a retconning remake of the first game, but rather as a what if. Feel free to ignore anything in it that openly contradicts the NES game.

Once again, let me reiterate, Link was never meant to be in either of those games. Patches to put him in, as well as the Master Sword and other similar things from other games, have been made by us fans, but unfortunately Tuf Pic fails to realize that this does not make their presence canon (or that the resemblance a fanmade sprite bears to another game’s starring character/item is completely irrelevant).

Concerning my storyline articles, I would just like to note that none of them has been written as supportive of Tuf Pic’s views (in fact most were written before Tuf Pic came on our board and starting posting his crazy ideas, like he’s doing here).
On the contrary, I disagree on pretty much anything that he says. In short, I don’t think Link was ever part Kokiri, I don’t think fans should fanwank Oracles’ ending to their liking, and I most certainly don’t believe that we had any immortal Link appearing in more than two (or at most three) games.
None of the articles, Q&A or any material on my site are meant to indicate any of this, Tuf Pic is simply reading what he wants in them the same way he’s reading what he wants in OoT’s dialogues. Therefore, I would like to ask all of you who would read them not to associate me and my articles to Tuf Pic in any way, thank you.

@Duke Serkol: That's just YOUR'E OPINION!!!! And I'm pretty sure that I'm not alone in thinking that BS Zelda was meant to feature Link, and even IN THE UNLIKELY EVENT THAT THE CREATORS DID NOT INTEND FOR LINK TO STAR IN THE LOZ REMAKE, IT IS STILL MADE POSSIBLE BY ZELDA CONTACTING THE HEROES VIA TELEPATHY!!!!

And the fan-made patches could have their place in many ALTERNATE REALITIES!!!!

But I'll agree that he never was meant to be in AST!!!!

EDIT: Here is a quote from your OWN Zelda Storyline section, that can back me up:

Originally Posted by Duke Serkol

Some legends seem to claim that this mysterious hero appeared again, centuries later to aid Link the Hero of Hyrule in his quest to gather the fragments of the Triforce of Wisdom. The legends go as far as to claim that on said occasion this hero entered the world of Hyrule for the first time, thus helping to save the future first and then the past; but no proof is left to back up such myths.

This PROVES that you just contradicted yourself: on the 1 hand you say that Link DOESN'T appear in BS Zelda, and on the other hand you say it is possible for the HoL's to help Link, and I STILL assert that it is either OOT and/or ALTTP Link, maybe in different realities it could be either, so which is it?!?!

Originally Posted by Tuf Pic

@Duke Serkol: That's just YOUR'E OPINION!!!! And I'm pretty sure that I'm not alone in thinking that BS Zelda was meant to feature Link, and even IN THE UNLIKELY EVENT THAT THE CREATORS DID NOT INTEND FOR LINK TO STAR IN THE LOZ REMAKE, IT IS STILL MADE POSSIBLE BY ZELDA CONTACTING THE HEROES VIA TELEPATHY!!!!

And the fan-made patches could have their place in many ALTERNATE REALITIES!!!!

But I'll agree that he never was meant to be in AST!!!!

EDIT: Here is a quote from your OWN Zelda Storyline section, that can back me up:



This PROVES that you just contradicted yourself: on the 1 hand you say that Link DOESN'T appear in BS Zelda, and on the other hand you say it is possible for the HOL's to help Link, and I STILL assert that it is either OOT and/or ALTTP Link, maybe in different realities it could be either, so which is it?!?!

God, you are annoying. Actually I think you are alone in thinking that. Because I know no one that thinks that game is canon.

Fan made =/= canon. If I right a fanfic it is not canon. If I hack TP to play as mario, mario is not part of the game.

He just said that he disagrees with you, no matter what his story says.

The hero of time is only in OoT, MM, and POSSIBLY the Hero's shade from TP.
As no games happen between MM and TP then the Hero of time can't be in any others.

THERE ARE NO DIFFERENT REALITIES. As far as timelines go there are two timelines after OoT because of the split, that is confirmed by the developers.

Originally Posted by Skylark

God, you are annoying. Actually I think you are alone in thinking that. Because I know no one that thinks that game is canon.

But there very well COULD BE SOME OTHERS WHO THINK LIKE I DO!!!!

Just because no-one you know of has told you that they think like me, doesn't mean they don't exist!!!!

The hero of time is only in OoT, MM, and POSSIBLY the Hero's shade from TP.
As no games happen between MM and TP then the Hero of time can't be in any others.

I still think that TP takes place on the ADULT TIMELINE, rather than the CHILD TIMELINE, and there ARE WAYS OF MAKING IT HAPPEN!!!! And it would help negate the "let's make a thousand Zeldas and Links all on the Child Timeline, in all realities" ABSOLUTE RUBBISH Nintendo/Capcom is pulling!!!!

THERE ARE NO DIFFERENT REALITIES. As far as timelines go there are two timelines after OoT because of the split, that is confirmed by the developers.

Yes, there most certainly ARE!!!! Such as Termina, the expressions of the various Zelda mangas, and Earth, from SC2!!!! And before you pull that nonsense about SC2 "NOT BEING CANON", it was approved by Nintendo, has it's own storyline, and although it IS a fighting game, it IS MOST DEFINENTLY CANON!!!!

And before you pull out another bogus argument against my theory... just listen to this quote from yourself:

Link isn't going to neglect his quest. He was chosen as the HoT because of his courage and such. So the sprout has no reason to withhold information.

That doesn't have much to do with Link having clouded thoughts, and wondering HOW he was born, and often forgetting his quest!!!! Courage has little to do with that, so the DTS WOULD HAVE REASON TO LIE, if Link were to wonder about his heritage all day, and forget his quest!!!!

Originally Posted by Tuf Pic

I still think that TP takes place on the ADULT TIMELINE, rather than the CHILD TIMELINE, and there ARE WAYS OF MAKING IT HAPPEN!!!! And it would help negate the "let's make a thousand Zeldas and Links all on the Child Timeline, in all realities" ABSOLUTE RUBBISH Nintendo/Capcom is pulling!!!!

How do you explain the fact that Ganondorf had never faced the Master Sword? If he was defeated by it which lead to his being sealed in OoT yet all he said in TP. Also what about the triforce. In the battle against Ganondorf in OoT he felt the ToP wasn't enough and tried to take the other ones. But in TP he thought he he ToP was much more than enough to defeat Link. and could you show me the ways that make it possible and make sense?

[quote=Tuf Pic;2236736]I still think that TP takes place on the ADULT TIMELINE, rather than the CHILD TIMELINE, and there ARE WAYS OF MAKING IT HAPPEN!!!! And it would help negate the "let's make a thousand Zeldas and Links all on the Child Timeline, in all realities" ABSOLUTE RUBBISH Nintendo/Capcom is pulling!!!![quote]

Not without fanfiction. And most people (at ZU) think that the games (other than MM and TP) go on the adult line. So far there are only two links on the CT imo.

Yes, there most certainly ARE!!!! Such as Termina, the expressions of the various Zelda mangas, and Earth, from SC2!!!! And before you pull that nonsense about SC2 "NOT BEING CANON", it was approved by Nintendo, has it's own storyline, and although it IS a fighting game, it IS MOST DEFINENTLY CANON!!!!

Manga is not canon, its a way for nintendo to make money.
Link was a guest star in Soul calibur 2. It has nothing to do with zelda. The ps2 and xbox versions had guest characters too? Does this mean that SC2 is part of thier series? NO.

Link is in Super smash brothers. Does that mean that mario's, Kirby's and star fox's worlds are the same? NO.

And before you pull out another bogus argument against my theory... just listen to this quote from yourself:

That doesn't have much to do with Link having clouded thoughts, and wondering HOW he was born, and often forgetting his quest!!!! Courage has little to do with that, so the DTS WOULD HAVE REASON TO LIE, if Link were to wonder about his heritage all day, and forget his quest!!!!

nothing more than fanfiction.
It is said he is Hylian. Nothing says that the deku tree is lying. We read the information that is given to us. Not make up stuff. He knows his parents were hylian and his mother brought him to the forest to be safe from the war. ANYTHING other than that is fanfiction.

Originally Posted by 1998thebestyear

How do you explain the fact that Ganondorf had never faced the Master Sword? If he was defeated by it which lead to his being sealed in OoT yet all he said in TP. Also what about the triforce. In the battle against Ganondorf in OoT he felt the ToP wasn't enough and tried to take the other ones. But in TP he thought the ToP was much more than enough to defeat Link. and could you show me the ways that make it possible and make sense?

I think it takes place in between the adult ending of OOT, and before TWW, and the ways it is possible and for it to make sense are as follows:

Ganondorf could find his way out of the Void of the Evil Realm on the ADULT TIMELINE, and then that execution scene takes place, and then when Ganon is defeated, he uses the ToP to revive himself, as in OOT, and destroy the protaganists, and the heroes are slowly forgotten, and thus no mention of heroes in TWW's prologue, and their reincarnations show up, even though the original TWW states that is OOT Link's reincarnation, this was BEFORE TP came out, and probably thought of, so it could easily be applied to the reincarnations of TP's protaganists... As for the point about using the ToP, maybe he needed time to recharge it in the Dark World!!!! And as for the I didn't quite understand what you were saying?!?! Could you please rephrase that comment?!?!

Originally Posted by Tuf Pic

I think it takes place in between the adult ending of OOT, and before TWW, and the ways it is possible and for it to make sense are as follows:

Ganondorf could find his way out of the Void of the Evil Realm on the ADULT TIMELINE, and then that execution scene takes place, and then when Ganon is defeated, he uses the ToP to revive himself, as in OOT, and destroy the protaganists, and the heroes are slowly forgotten, and thus no mention of heroes in TWW's prologue, and their reincarnations show up, even though the original TWW states that is OOT Link's reincarnation, this was BEFORE TP came out, and probably thought of, so it could easily be applied to the reincarnations of TP's protaganists... As for the point about using the ToP, maybe he needed time to recharge it in the Dark World!!!! And as for the I didn't quite understand what you were saying?!?! Could you please rephrase that comment?!?!

No....just no.

Originally Posted by Tuf Pic

I think it takes place in between the adult ending of OOT, and before TWW, and the ways it is possible and for it to make sense are as follows:

Ganondorf could find his way out of the Void of the Evil Realm on the ADULT TIMELINE, and then that execution scene takes place, and then when Ganon is defeated, he uses the ToP to revive himself, as in OOT, and destroy the protaganists, and the heroes are slowly forgotten, and thus no mention of heroes in TWW's prologue, and their reincarnations show up, even though the original TWW states that is OOT Link's reincarnation, this was BEFORE TP came out, and probably thought of, so it could easily be applied to the reincarnations of TP's protaganists... As for the point about using the ToP, maybe he needed time to recharge it in the Dark World!!!! And as for the I didn't quite understand what you were saying?!?! Could you please rephrase that comment?!?!

In TP while you fight Ganondorf at one point he says "An impressive looking blade, nothing more." He was defeated previously in the adult line by the master sword. He would know of all people that it was more than just an impressive looking blade. And what about in OoT he is trying to take the triforce from Link and Zelda but then his goal isn't to get the triforce in TP then a long while later he fights tWW Link who has the triforce and he is now trying to take their triforces again. In TP he could have taken the Triforce of wisdom quite easily, but he didn't. Even though he had the option. And why are the sages different? And it has been confirmed that TP paralel to tWW on a different timeline.

Originally Posted by 1998thebestyear

In TP while you fight Ganondorf at one point he says "An impressive looking blade, nothing more." He was defeated previously in the adult line by the master sword. He would know of all people that it was more than just an impressive looking blade. And what about in OoT he is trying to take the triforce from Link and Zelda but then his goal isn't to get the triforce in TP then a long while later he fights tWW Link who has the triforce and he is now trying to take their triforces again. In TP he could have taken the Triforce of wisdom quite easily, but he didn't. Even though he had the option. And why are the sages different? And it has been confirmed that TP parellel to tWW on a different timeline.

As for it being confirmed, the creators often change their minds, and overlook things, so how do you know this isn't one of those times, plus Anouma-sensei originally said it took place on the ADULT TIMELINE, which I say makes better sense!!!!

And as for the well... maybe it just escaped his memory, and then came back in TWW!!!! And perhaps he didn't recognize it at all, and did he recognize it in TWW?!?! And even if he tried to get it, maybe he thought it was a different sword, with equal or more power than/to the Master Sword!!!!

As for the other 2 Triforces, maybe he wanted to defeat them BEFORE getting the Triforces to make it slightly/extremely easier, and he thought he would pull it off, despite the fact that he did not!!!!

Plus, the artwork in which he "curses" Zelda, the Sages, and Link shows him in his humanoid form, as opposed to his beast form, which appears almost exactly the same way (minus he beard/goti), in TP AND IN TWW!!!! It is very unlikely that TP takes place on the CHILD TIMELINE!!!! While he DOES threaten to "extirminate your descendants", I still place more stock in Twinrova's prophecy, which is that she will "Come back to haunt you", than Ganondorf's prophecy, because Twinrova is MUCH older than GANONDORF, and probably, a lot smarter as well!!!!

Originally Posted by Tuf Pic

As for it being confirmed, the creators often change their minds, and overlook things, so how do you know this isn't one of those times, plus Anouma-sensei originally said it took place on the ADULT TIMELINE, which I say makes better sense!!!!

But there is NO evidence supporting they are wrong.

And as for the well... maybe it just escaped his memory, and then came back in TWW!!!! And perhaps he didn't recognize it at all, and did he recognize it in TWW?!?! And even if he tried to get it, maybe he thought it was a different sword, with equal or more power than/to the Master Sword!!!!

No, TWW ganondorf knows it is the master sword. TP doesn't.

As for the other 2 Triforces, maybe he wanted to defeat them BEFORE getting the Triforces to make it slightly/extremely easier, and he thought he would pull it off, despite the fact that he did not!!!!

He could have easily taken it from Zelda while she was locked in Hyrule castle.

Plus, the artwork in which he "curses" Zelda, the Sages, and Link shows him in his humanoid form, as opposed to his beast form, which appears almost exactly the same way (minus he beard/goti), in TP AND IN TWW!!!! It is very unlikely that TP takes place on the CHILD TIMELINE!!!! While he DOES threaten to "extirminate your descendants", I still place more stock in Twinrova's prophecy, which is that she will "Come back to haunt you", than Ganondorf's prophecy, because Twinrova is MUCH older than GANONDORF, and probably, a lot smarter as well!!!!

Ganondorf sill exits on the Child timeline.

Ganondorf is sealed in the sacred realm at the end of OoT in his humanoid form.

He carries out his threat during TWW backstory. As the sages are nowhere to be found in TWW.

Twinrova comes back to "haunt" in the oracles.


Ok, answer me this.
In OoT adult ending Ganondorf is sealed in the sacred realm. How is he in the Twilight realm for TP to happen?

Why is Ganondorf surprised that he has the ToP when he is sealed in the twilight realm?

How does TP Link have the ToC if the hero of time left the timeline? In TWW we see it in pieces because of Link leaving the adult timeline.

You should make a thread about your timeline. So I and many others, can show you how wrong you are.

Guys... stop argueing iwth this crappy theorist.

He is to dumb to realise he is wrong. He will always find an excuse and never backs it up.

They said TP was parallel to WW. Until they change their minds, this is canon.

just leave him alone and he will just start talking to himself.