the reincarnated link

Tuf Pic, you really don't have any evidence to any of these assertions.

It's never implied that OoT Link is part Kokiri, and as has been said, the notion of him being full blooded Hylian seems far more likely.

The begger you're referring to us just that, albeit a little backwards for a begger to want to give money. Either way, you're just guessing that he is who that Gossip Stone was talking about with no evidence whatsoever, shy of him wearing green, when we already know that Link fits the bill far more nicely.

Finally, I still don't know what two Links you are trying to say are the same based on something from BS Zelda. If it's any of LoZ Link, ALttP Link, and OoT Link, then I'm sorry, but you're almost certainly wrong. I could go on for ages listing the reasons why they are all different Links.

Originally Posted by Casual Matt

Tuf Pic, you really don't have any evidence to any of these assertions.

Fine then, I take back what I said: If MY theory doesn't have evidence, which I still assert it DOES, YOUR theory doesn't hold any weight either, because we were both assuming that the hints we brought up are/is evidence!!!!

It's never implied that OoT Link is part Kokiri, and as has been said, the notion of him being full blooded Hylian seems far more likely.

Yes, it most certainly HAS BEEN IMPLIED, although the hints in question are up to interpretation, meaning your interpretation, is no more valid or canon than MINE, and vice-versa!!!!

The begger you're referring to is just that, albeit a little backwards for a begger to want to give money. Either way, you're just guessing that he is who that Gossip Stone was talking about with no evidence whatsoever, shy of him wearing green, when we already know that Link fits the bill far more nicely.

But he wears a similar belt and belt-buckle akin to the Kokiri's!!!!

Finally, I still don't know what two Links you are trying to say are the same based on something from BS Zelda. If it's any of LoZ Link, ALttP Link, and OoT Link, then I'm sorry, but you're almost certainly wrong. I could go on for ages listing the reasons why they are all different Links.

The reasons I think these things is as follows: in OOX they include WAY TOO MANY re-used elements from other games, such as OOT, MM, ALTTP, LA, LOZ, and AOL, for them NOT to be the same Link as the rest on the Child Timeline, and I've found ways for TP to take place on the ADULT TIMELINE, instead of the CHILD TIMELINE, which are as follows: Ganondorf could find some way to breach the barrier on the ADULT side, and that whole execution/Sage-killing scene takes place, and when Zelda/Midna/Link defeat him, he uses the ToP to revive himself, and triggers the Great Flood, and the Heroes of Twighlight are slowly forgotten, and the events of TWW and PH take place, meanwhile on the Child Timeline, Link is living with his uncle, and after ALTTP, OOX and SC2 take place, and Link is the Holy Sacrifice, and if you want to read my "Holy Sacrificial Blunder, then: Click Here, and he departs for Kohonlit, and then Zelda and Impa contact the Heroes of Light/Link, or maybe the former were contacted by Impa, and thus it IS possible for them all to be the SAME Link!!!!

Originally Posted by Tuf Pic

Yes, it most certainly HAS BEEN IMPLIED, although the hints in question are up to interpretation, meaning your interpretation, is no more valid or canon than MINE, and vice-versa!!!!

The Deku Sprout stated Link was a Hylian. Canon. Fact. Valid.

But he wears a similar belt and belt-buckle akin to the Kokiri's!!!!

Whelp, you've got me there. Excellent detective work.

The reasons I think these things is as follows: in OOX they include WAY TOO MANY re-used elements from other games, such as OOT, MM, ALTTP, LA, LOZ, and AOL, for them NOT to be the same Link as the rest on the Child Timeline, ... and thus it IS possible for them all to be the SAME Link!!!!

Okay, here goes...

LoZ/AoL and ALttP/LA cannot have the same Links because...

• The back of the box states that ALttP Link is the predecessor of LoZ Link.
• In LoZ, Hyrule is barren save for a few villages in regions north of Death Mountain with the south having only some caves containing civilians. In ALttP, everybody lives mostly south of Death Mountain in big villages. In order for one to be directly before/after the other, Hyrule would have to completely change in an extremely short amount of time.
• Ganon dies in both ALttP and LoZ. In order for one to take place directly after the other, there must have been some revival, but nothing of the sort is mentioned.

ALttP/LA and OoT/MM cannot have the same Link because...

• ALttP's backstory tells of the Imprisoning War where Ganon is sealed in the Dark World as a legend. In OoT, we see these events unfold. So there must be hundreds of years between OoT and ALttP.
• OoT Link's mother brought him into the forest as a last resort to save him. ALttP Link had a living uncle. If OoT Link had an uncle, he probably would have been raised by him.
• Hyrule's geography is slightly different. Most notably the location of Kakariko Village. Since Link is referred to as a kid in both ALttP and OoT, it's unlikely the whole village could relocate in such a short amount of time.
• Link is introduced to Zelda for the first time in both ALttP and OoT.
• In ALttP, Ganon is still sealed in the Dark World, putting it in the Adult Timeline, in which Link disappeared from so he could have his childhood.

LoZ/AoL and OoT/MM cannot have the same Link because...

• The reasons above implying that ALttP takes place before LoZ and that OoT takes place long before ALttP.
• Hyrule in OoT is similar to ALttP in that it is absolutely nothing like LoZ Hyrule.
• LoZ Impa is clearly different from OoT Impa, suggesting she is a descendant, which means it's a different age altogether.

I'm sure others could throw on more reasons.

The thing here is, it's okay to use this BS Zelda BS as evidence, but not when you have to ignore facts and clear implications from the actual games.

Originally Posted by Casual Matt

The Deku Sprout stated Link was a Hylian. Canon. Fact. Valid.

I still don't buy the idea that he is a FULL-BLOODED HYLIAN

Whelp, you've got me there. Excellent detective work.

Was that sarcasm, or were you actually complimenting me?!?!

Okay, here goes...

LoZ/AoL and ALttP/LA cannot have the same Links because...

• The back of the box states that ALttP Link is the predecessor of LoZ Link.
• In LoZ, Hyrule is barren save for a few villages in regions north of Death Mountain with the south having only some caves containing civilians. In ALttP, everybody lives mostly south of Death Mountain in big villages. In order for one to be directly before/after the other, Hyrule would have to completely change in an extremely short amount of time.
• Ganon dies in both ALttP and LoZ. In order for one to take place directly after the other, there must have been some revival, but nothing of the sort is mentioned.

To the fact that Ganon died, he DID get revived, and was the final boss, in AST, so you are DEAD WRONG ON THAT POINT!!!! And as to the geography point, apparently there was thousands of years between the 2 eras, and that doesn't really matter when it pertains to the question of whether it was the same Link'(s) or not!!!! And as for the last point, BS Zelda can be considered as existing in an alternate reality, thus making it it's own canon, so there!!!!

ALttP/LA and OoT/MM cannot have the same Link because...

• ALttP's backstory tells of the Imprisoning War where Ganon is sealed in the Dark World as a legend. In OoT, we see these events unfold. So there must be hundreds of years between OoT and ALttP.
• OoT Link's mother brought him into the forest as a last resort to save him. ALttP Link had a living uncle. If OoT Link had an uncle, he probably would have been raised by him.
• Hyrule's geography is slightly different. Most notably the location of Kakariko Village. Since Link is referred to as a kid in both ALttP and OoT, it's unlikely the whole village could relocate in such a short amount of time.
• Link is introduced to Zelda for the first time in both ALttP and OoT.
• In ALttP, Ganon is still sealed in the Dark World, putting it in the Adult Timeline, in which Link disappeared from so he could have his childhood.

Maybe Link's uncle was away in battle, and the mother wanted an alternative, thus driving her into the forest, because after all he IS a Hyrulian Knight!!!! As to the introductions, well, MY version doesn't say anything of THAT sort, and what version of ALTTP were YOU playing?!?! And I still assert that Link is a Hyrulian Peter Pan!!!! And I don't have any good answers to the other 2 "reasons", right now, but I'll think about it!!!!

LoZ/AoL and OoT/MM cannot have the same Link because...

• The reasons above implying that ALttP takes place before LoZ and that OoT takes place long before ALttP.
• Hyrule in OoT is similar to ALttP in that it is absolutely nothing like LoZ Hyrule.
• LoZ Impa is clearly different from OoT Impa, suggesting she is a descendant, which means it's a different age altogether.

I think I've already dealt with the first and second "reasons", but maybe it was something similar to the Sleeping Zelda, and maybe the other Impa was still there!!!!

The thing here is, it's okay to use this BS Zelda BS as evidence, but not when you have to ignore facts and clear implications from the actual games.

But it can be viewed as an ALTERNATE VERSION, so I do'nt really NEED to pay much attention to the originals!!!!

I think I've dealt with your'e "reasons" well enough!!!!

Originally Posted by Tuf Pic

I still don't buy the idea that he is a FULL-BLOODED HYLIAN





Was that sarcasm, or were you actually complimenting me?!?!





To the fact that Ganon died, he DID get revived, and was the final boss, in AST, so you are DEAD WRONG ON THAT POINT!!!! And as to the geography point, apparently there was thousands of years between the 2 eras, and that doesn't really matter when it pertains to the question of whether it was the same Link'(s) or not!!!! And as for the last point, BS Zelda can be considered as existing in an alternate reality, thus making it it's own canon, so there!!!!



Maybe Link's uncle was away in battle, and the mother wanted an alternative, thus driving her into the forest, because after all he IS a Hyrulian Knight!!!! As to the introductions, well, MY version doesn't say anything of THAT sort, and what version of ALTTP were YOU playing?!?! And I still assert that Link is a Hyrulian Peter Pan!!!! And I don't have any good answers to the other 2 "reasons", right now, but I'll think about it!!!!



I think I've already dealt with the first and second reasons, but maybe it was something similar to the Sleeping Zelda, and maybe the other Impa was still there!!!!






But it can be viewed as an ALTERNATE VERSION, so I do'nt really NEED to pay much attention to the originals!!!!

I think I've dealt with your'e "reasons" well enough!!!!

1) Then you are ignoring facts from the game.
2) AST takes place when Link is away from Hyrule. So I do not see your point.
3) BS Zelda would hold the same amount of canon as the orginal because they did not change the story in any way. In the Alltp remake they reworked the BS slightly to fit with FSA. Therefore it is more canon. The same does not apply to Bs zelda.
4) FANFICTION!

Originally Posted by Skylarkff

1) Then you are ignoring facts from the game.
2) AST takes place when Link is away from Hyrule. So I do not see your point.
3) BS Zelda would hold the same amount of canon as the orginal because they did not change the story in any way. In the Alltp remake they reworked the BS slightly to fit with FS. Therefore it is more canon. The same does not apply to Bs zelda.
4) FANFICTION!

I am not IGNORING facts from the game, just expanding upon them!!!! And are you ignoring the fact that AST and the LOZ remake are DIFFERENT GAMES again?!?! And BS Zelda DOES slightly expand the storyline as well, such as having Zelda contact the protaganist(s), or the other way around, and having the Great Fairy disappear for a while, and other minor changes, so it most certainly IS canon!!!!


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Originally Posted by Casual Matt

More likely it means Link.And don't say this proves Link is part Kokiri because the Gossip Stones just pass rumours. When Link left, he was thought to be a Kokiri. Ergo, a rumour could easily spread that a Kokiri left the forest but survived.

But the Gossip Stones rumours almost ALWAYS are correct!!!! And in the Child Timeline, there's absolutely ZERO indication that they even KNEW that Link had left!!!! To illustrate my point, let me quote the Kokiri guard:

Originally Posted by Guy Guarding Kokiri Forest Entrance/Exit

Oh, you're OK? You didn't leave the forest after all, did you?

This PROVES that at that time, the Kokiri had no idea that Link had actually LEFT the forest, and thus the Gossip Stone quote most certainly IS evidence, and the other Kokiri seem to have no knowledge of Link leaving in the Child Timeline, only on the Adult Timeline!!!!

The fact of the matter is that the Deku Tree Sprout states that Link is a Hylian. All the evidence points to him being full blooded. Nothing suggests he is part Kokiri, and to think so is fairly counter intuitive.

Yes there is evidence pointing to him being a Hylian-Kokiri Hybrid, at least in some realities, and even in the ones he's NOT a hybrid, ALTTP Link probably IS a hybrid, so there!!!!

No I'm not mixing them up again. And once again. There is no evidence (other than random interpretations) that Link is a hybrid of any kind. I take it by your logic he is also part goron because Darunia calls Link his brother?

How is ALttP Link a hybrid now? Honestly?

There is no FACT in an game that says he is a hybrid (oot or alltp). BUT there is facts that say he is Hylian. In this case it is better to chose the MORE LOGICAL answer. The one supported by a thing called evidence.

... Umm, what in the Universal Warlords' Committee? Haven't you folk realized that Tuff Pic and I are adament about our belief that Link is at least part Kokiri? No, I doubt Link is part Goron because of that, BUT transformation masks may leave part of their spirit's blood within Link. I got that idea from watching Ben 10 (yes, I am a cartoon-lover, got a problem with it?). Every time he uses the Omnitrix (which transforms him into an alien), it changes his DNA, thus why it has its time limit. I can see how the three transformation masks (and perhaps the other two, if you count Giant's Mask as transformation) would do the same sort of thing.

Kokiri can leave the forest and not die automatically (evidenced by the credits at the end of OoT) AND Fado left the southern Kokiri Forests and traveled all the way to the Air Temple in the distant north. How do you expect a Kokiri could survive such a long trip exactly?

Link is at least part Kokiri!! We will never quit!!

Originally Posted by Tuf Pic

But the Gossip Stones rumours almost ALWAYS are correct!!!! And in the Child Timeline, there's absolutely ZERO indication that they even KNEW that Link had left!!!! To illustrate my point, let me quote the Kokiri guard:

Everything the Gossip Stones say begins with "I overhead this... They say..." It's all rumours, and one of the Gossip Stones heard that a Kokiri left the forest and lived. I fail to see how the obvious leap of logic isn't to assume he's talking about Link.

Originally Posted by Tuf Pic

This PROVES that at that time, the Kokiri had no idea that Link had actually LEFT the forest, and thus the Gossip Stone quote most certainly IS evidence, and the other Kokiri seem to have no knowledge of Link leaving in the Child Timeline, only on the Adult Timeline!!!!

All that proves is that the Kokiri firmly believe they'll die if they leave. Seeing Link alive led the guard to believe he never left.

The guard clearly thought Link left the forest. Saria knew that Link left. The Gossip Stone could have heard about Link leaving from any number of sources. I mean, since when do we judge what a Gossip Stone knows based on what one person assumes?

Originally Posted by Tuf Pic

Yes there is evidence pointing to him being a Hylian-Kokiri Hybrid, at least in some realities, and even in the ones he's NOT a hybrid, ALTTP Link probably IS a hybrid, so there!!!!

Why in Din's name would ALttP Link have anything to do with the Kokiri? There weren't even any Kokiri in that game.

As for OoT Link...

Originally Posted by Deku Sprout

Well, as you might have already guessed, you are not a Kokiri! You are actually
a Hylian!

I'd say that's pretty unambiguous evidence of Link being distinctly non-Kokiri.

I made a thread more or less like this one a while back. I believe that there are 8 different Links:

Ocarina of time - Majora's Mask: Link I
Legend of Zelda - Adventure of Link - Link II
A Link to the Past - Link's Awakening - Link III
Oracle of Seasons (Ages) - Link IV
The Minish Cap - Link V
Wind Waker - Phantom Hourglass - Link VI
Twilight Princess - Link VII
Four Swords - Four Swords Adventure - Link VIII

Since the only ones we can confirm are the same Link are the dirrect sequel Links for example the OoT and Majora's Mask Link.

Matt, I don't actually agree with that statement from the Deku Sprout since he wasn't actually alive at the time that the DT took Link in. He talks as if he knew everything his predecessor knew, which makes no sense to me.

In the adult timeline, the guard often ponders if Link will ever return. Notice how he words it, I'm pretty confident he says "return" in there. If he doesn't, then sorry, I haven't seen my Kokiri quotes pages for the past week or so...

Kid Link is considered a Hylian by everyone outside of the forest with the exception of Malon and Zelda, mostly because he tells them that he is a "fairy boy from the forest". Navi wordlessly confirms this.

Originally Posted by Casual Matt

Why in Din's name would ALttP Link have anything to do with the Kokiri? There weren't even any Kokiri in that game.

I think you'll find you are DEAD WRONG there!!!! The Bumpkin Bros. have similar clothing to the Kokiri, live near a forest, and the word "Kokiri", is probably derived from an obscure Japanese word for lumberjacks, the one used in the game no less, "Kikori", and they could truthfully be considered Kokiri with fairies hidden inside their hats, as could ALTTP Link, even though in the GBA version he is taught the families secret sword technuiqe, there could be different families of Kokiri, and Link could just have matured enough to understand/handle correctly the technuiqe, and perhaps he is the youngest of the Kokiri, and had to pass a series of obstacles before learning the move!!!! And I must add that in some realities, they are the very same person as well!!!! Not in all, though, and OOT Link IS full-blooded-Hylian in some of them, but in some he is!!!! Incase this is preforming Necro-Posting, my computer was out-of-commission for a few days, so that's my excuse in case it is!!!! @Kokiri Mage7: Thanks for the back-up, and might I add that we have MANY PEOPLE SUPPORTING US!!!! SO THERE!!!!