Old 04-21-2008, 08:41 PM   #1
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Ganon, his life, death, and resurrection

OoT Ganondorf is a Gerudo King who invaded Hyrule, entered the Sacred Realm, and stole the Triforce of Power, becoming Ganon.
He dies in TWW.
He dies in TP.

FSA Ganondorf is a Gerudo guardian who invaded Hyrule and stole the Trident, becoming Ganon. He is not OoT Ganondorf. It is possible that the taking of the Trident revived a previous Ganon.
He is sealed in the Four Sword.

ALttP Ganondorf is a thief who invaded Hyrule and stole the Triforce. ALttP Ganon has the Trident.
He dies in ALttP

LoZ Ganon is not said to be connected to an incarnation of Ganondorf. He more than likely used the Trident.
He dies in LoZ.

Oracles Ganon is referred to as having been a Gerudo King. He has a Trident. He was revived, presumably from death.
He dies in Oracles.

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Ganondorf in FSA is clearly not Ganondorf from OoT in the Child Timeline prior to being captured by the sages.

If we go by the original manual, assuming the IW Ganondorf to be ALttP Ganondorf, he became Ganon when he stole the Triforce. If we assume that OoT Ganondorf is IW Ganondorf, it is more ambiguous, with ALttP Ganondorf becoming Ganon through an unmentioned means. Therefore he could be the demon incarnation of FSA Ganondorf or a completely different Ganondorf who became Ganon by taking the Triforce. He cannot be the Ganondorf from OoT, who has already died in both timelines.

LoZ Ganon has an altogether hanging origin. He could be Ganon from FSA (coming before or after FSA) or Ganon from Oracles (coming before Oracles). It is unlikely that he is Ganon from ALttP. We cannot assume his origins lie in revival. Ganon is, however, referred to as the character constantly threatening Hyrule in ALttP, implying that LoZ Ganon may be ALttP Ganon, although ALttP Ganon has died. Personally the easiest way I see to reconcile this is to have LoZ before FSA, with FSA's Ganondorf reviving Ganon from LoZ, and ALttP Ganon being this same Ganondorf. This could also be reversed, with ALttP before FSA, and LoZ's Ganon having escaped the Four Sword after FSA. In any case, no game ends with Ganon in a state remotely comparable to his status in LoZ, and the question of which game Ganon escaped the Four Sword before is up in the air. He cannot be related to the Ganondorf from OoT, who has already died in both timelines.

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There are at least two incarnations of Ganondorf, and at least three incarnations of Ganon ("incarnation" referring to "origin"--either LoZ as a standalone or to an instance in which a particular incarnation of Ganondorf becomes Ganon for the first time).

The incarnation of Ganon seen in OoT is restricted to TP and TWW.
OoT/TP
OoT/TWW
The incarnation of Ganon seen in FSA could be related to either the incarnation of Ganon in ALttP or in LoZ
FSA/ALttP
OR
FSA/LoZ
The incarnation of Ganon seen in FSA could be a revival of either the incarnation of Ganon in ALttP or in LoZ
ALttP-FSA
OR
LoZ-FSA
The incarnation of Ganon in either ALttP or LoZ must stand alone (although either could be revived in FSA, as stated above)
The incarnation of Ganon seen in Oracles is a revival of any of the dead incarnations of Ganon (most likely LoZ or ALttP)

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So the Ganon timeline, assuming OoT is first, could go like any of these, on either timeline, with Oracles placed after any Ganon-death:

OoT-FSA/ALttP-LoZ
OoT-FSA/LoZ-ALttP
OoT-ALttP-FSA/LoZ
OoT-LoZ-FSA/ALttP
OoT-LoZ/FSA-ALttP
OoT-ALttP/FSA-LoZ
OoT-ALttP-LoZ-FSA
OoT-LoZ-ALttP-FSA
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Old 04-21-2008, 08:49 PM   #2
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I personally believe:
OoT=TP=WW
FSA=aLttP=[OoX?]
LoZ=[OoX?]

Thought it's possible LoZ is a revive, I don't think we can say for sure what his origins are.
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Old 04-21-2008, 08:59 PM   #3
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I always considered OoT and TP the same Ganondorf/Ganon. I've considered the other games revivals of Ganon/Ganondorf. Which leads to a question...what does it take to finally kill Ganondorf once and for all?
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^ Nothing, it seems. He keeps coming back.

I personally believe that LoZ Ganon=OoT Ganon. He surely doesn't have to be, and I am perfectly willing to give that up, but just for the heck of it (and the Triforce thing between TP and LoZ), I believe it. Just as I choose to believe that LoZ takes place in Holodrum.

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Old 04-21-2008, 09:01 PM   #5
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I always considered OoT and TP the same Ganondorf/Ganon. I've considered the other games revivals of Ganon/Ganondorf. Which leads to a question...what does it take to finally kill Ganondorf once and for all?
He's been 'completely' destroyed in aLttP and LoZ by the use of silver arrows, but even then we don't know that he's gone for good. It would seem he can always be revived somehow.

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Old 04-21-2008, 09:10 PM   #6
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One of the old continuity was:
OOT-LTTP-LA-LoZ-AoL
In it, Ganondorf was sealed in the sacred realm from OOT to LTTP, then killed in LTTP. He only had to be "resurrected" for LoZ and AoL that way, and thats assuming you don't leave them off completely and let them be in their own line.

One simple modern timeline is:
(Adult)OOT-TP
(Child)OOT-MM-WW-PH
In that timeline Ganondorf only lives and dies once, per branch.

As for TMC-FS-FSA. Flagship made TMC and FS, so they apparently weren't allowed to have, or weren't interested in, Ganondorf. He shows up out of nowhere in FSA. He bears little to no similarity in fate or method to any other Ganondorf.
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I like this thread, it's almost everything known about Ganon/Ganondorf in one place.

Another useful breakdown would be his subtitles. Loz manual calls him Prince of Darkness. I think OoT promotes him to Great King of Evil.

Could be a measure of Strength and/or age. Or it could be nothing.
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I like this thread, it's almost everything known about Ganon/Ganondorf in one place.

Another useful breakdown would be his subtitles. Loz manual calls him Prince of Darkness. I think OoT promotes him to Great King of Evil.
It's an NoA mistranslation, actually:
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