The ZG timeline {version one}

First of, i wouldnt say that this is my definate time line, well it is.... for now though. Hence the 'version one'.

This is the idea of how the time line would look like.


Adult:........WW--PH--LOZ--AOL--OOX
----------/
.............OOT
----------\
Child:........MM--TP--MC--FS--FSA--ALTTP--LA

{Crazy, well you decide}

Adult time line:

[Funny thing i was actually going to leave out most of the adult time line, but a recent thread just gave me an idea and made the time line complete.]

Any way First bit, im sure most know......
100 (or hundreds) of years after OOT Ganondorf somehow broke free from the sacred realm. The people prayed for the Hero of time to return but he never came.
The godesses had no choice but to flood hyrule and i'm sure you know the rest.
At the end of WW, after all pieces of the triforce gather up(as we see in the final cutscene), the king of red lions makes his wish and the triforce leaves to be hidden throughout the land. Ganondorf is killed and Link and Tetra sail of to find new land. PH happens.
Years later in the discovered land, LOZ happens. AOL then OOX happens.



Child time line:

Now we've heard in OOT its the first time in Hyrule's history were the country is united. OOT takes place only a short time after the great war has ended. As a result Hyrule is not as completely as developed as the royal family would have liked. The process of improving the state of hyrule after the terrible war continues and the king of Hyrule tries to form an alliance with the last remaining race in the kingdom.... the Gerudo tribe. Thats pretty much my idea for the build up to OOT...

Then the next bit is kind of obvious. When Link returns to being a child again he is able to warn Zelda about Ganondorf. During this time Link leaves Hyrule and ends up in Termina. MM occurs. The sages try to execute Ganondorf but fail.... as seen in TP. TP happens.

A side note on the sages.
{I believe that the sages in TP were probably the first to be appointed by the godesses.
It might be proven by the fact that the sages in TP dont have identities. The sages we see in the adult side of OOT were not awoken so obviously they are not known in the child line. Also this may be why OOT is the only game where the sages are represented from different races. In the child time line the sages we see in OOT were not awoken, and so after TP the sages were seen from then on as maidens.
Now, i'm not saying that the sages in TP are the same as the maidens, but the fact that they are not represented by different races might mean there is more of a connection between the sages in TP and Alttp/FSA than the ones in OOT and Alttp. The maidens are more of descendants/replacements.}


Now with Ganondorf gotten rid of, Hyrule once again continues with its development. MC happens many years after TP....different Link. The story about the hero of men told at the beginning of MC refers to the time between TP and MC. In the mists of the battle told in the backstory of MC the knowledge of the triforce would have been lost. Vaati is sealed in the foursword. FS occurs. Ganondorf gets reincarnated/revived. FSA happens. Ganon is sealed in the four sword. Evidenced by the celebrations after, Hyrule appears to be a land at peace.... for now.

Ganon breaks the seal held on him by the four swords and finds his way into the sacred realm/golden land.
The events told of the imprisoning war takes place.

Many years later an evil wizard named Agahnim breaks the seal on Ganon. Ganon touches the triforce.
Now Alttp would take place.


Now a couple of notes on argumentive points that might arouse.
(oh yeah and Erimgard made me aware of quite a lot of issues, so thanks.)



Imprisoning war. [a little sub theory about the imprisoning war.]

First I dont think the imprisoning war refers to OOT in my opinion it refers to just after FSA. One of the things i like to refer to is that it talks about Knights that died during it, which we saw in FSA.
Now, For more detail, on what i think may have happened after fourswords to lead to the improsining war.
In the back story of Alttp it talks about 7 wise men. Now i believe this may have a relation between the sages in TP(im not necessarily saying that they are the same sages maybe descendants/replacements of the sages we see in TP). The format(right word?) of the way the sages go seems to switch. So im claiming that the wise men we here of in the imprisoning war are reincarnations/replacements of the ones in TP.

I'm sure most of you will agree that the four swords is not the same as the master sword.
I think that the four sword not being a powerful enough seal on Ganon was shattered some time before Alttp.
Now this kind of corresponds with the knowledge of the triforce being forgotten during the time before MC. The knowledge of the master sword would have also been forgotten, therefore the maidens and princess Zelda that were responsible for sealing Ganon in the four sword at the end of FSA wouldnt have known that it wasnt able to hold the holder of the triforce of power. So basically, as there is no knowledge of the master sword is was assumed that the four sword was able to hold Ganon.

However this was not the case as he later on broke free and found his way into the sacred realm/golden land. The story told of the imprisoning war occurs.
The king thus commanded the sages/wise men to seal Ganon in the sacred realm.
Many years after, as it says in the back story of Alttp:
"......But, when these events
were obscured by the mists of
time and became legend..."
Agahnim breaks the seal on Ganon, touches the triforce and then the events of Alttp could occur.



The WW-MC connections.

The biggest connection most will say about these two games is the issue with the triumph forks. In MC we hear of a book in the library about the triumph forks. In WW the fish guy tells us of a mysterious treasure called the triumph forks. These so called triumph forks are obviously just a wrong name for the actual triforce. The legend of the triforce has been forgotten in these games. So does that really mean MC must be placed after WW.

Well in my opinion not really. The book seen in the library in MC about the triumph forks might not be relevant to whether MC is placed after WW. It could just be a cameo, and something interesting Nintendo thought they would put in the game.

I know pictographs arent as important as the triforce but in MM and in WW we see pictographs. And that doesnt mean at all that MM and WW come after the other or that they are in the same time line. So really i think that little things like the book about triumph forks in MC are just there really to make the game seem more interesting.



So there it is, my first theory actually. Feel free to talk about anything regarding it.

wow thats very good .... good thing i told you my thoughts on that pm earlier

ill edit this post later i can't do it now... bot when Barcelona is having a match!!!

Okay, here I go:

At the end of WW, after all pieces of the triforce gather up(as we see in the final cutscene), the king of red lions makes his wish and the triforce leaves to be hidden throughout the land. Ganondorf is killed and Link and Tetra sail of to find new land. PH happens.
Years later in the discovered land, LOZ happens. AOL then OOX happens.

How does Ganondorf manage to return and acquire the ToP between PH and LoZ? He would have to had either split his soul or been resurrected and both are just speculation as there is no evidence for either.

In the mists of the battle told in the backstory of MC the knowledge of the triforce would have been lost.

I don't really see why the knowledge would be lost just because of what happens in tMC's backstory.

Also, here are some of the reasons I think tMC must be placed after tWW:

- In tWW, the Koroks are trying to plant lots trees so that they can merge all the islands as one.

- In the Minish Cap, Hyrule is an Island on a huge sea, and there are loads of trees. This seems like the Koroks have succeded and this is one of the islands formed by them.

- There are only a few Gorons left just like in tWW, it seems as if they are now recovering from the Great Flood.

-
The Moblins are in their tWW form.

- There are enemies and items that are almost identical to tWW's.



Also, if you place the Oracles where you place them you have to assume Twinrova's appearance is just a cameo, how can you assume Twinrova's appearance in the Oracles is just a cameo? They play an important part in the story and they even have a little bit of backstory..

And so it begins

Originally Posted by zeldagamer

At the end of WW, after all pieces of the triforce gather up(as we see in the final cutscene), the king of red lions makes his wish and the triforce leaves to be hidden throughout the land. Ganondorf is killed and Link and Tetra sail of to find new land. PH happens.

Why would the Triforce be hidden throughout the land when Daphnes touched it? We don't see it split, we see it fly off. I'd say the safest assumption is that it returned to the Sacred Realm. [in aLttP it seems the Triforce remains in it's holding place in the SR when it's not split. Ganon doesn't carry it with him]

Years later in the discovered land, LOZ happens. AOL then OOX happens.

How does LoZ happen? WW ends with a dead Ganon. LoZ begins with a very much alive Ganon.
And Twinrova in OoX are just cameos?

Child time line:
Now we've heard in OOT its the first time in Hyrule's history were the country is united. OOT takes place only a short time after the great war has ended. As a result Hyrule is not as completely as developed as the royal family would have liked. The process of improving the state of hyrule after the terrible war continues and the king of Hyrule tries to form an alliance with the last remaining race in the kingdom.... the Gerudo tribe. Thats pretty much my idea for the build up to OOT...
Then the next bit is kind of obvious. When Link returns to being a child again he is able to warn Zelda about Ganondorf. During this time Link leaves Hyrule and ends up in Termina. MM occurs. The sages try to execute Ganondorf but fail.... as seen in TP. TP happens.

All good.

A side note on the sages.
{I believe that the sages in TP were probably the first to be appointed by the godesses.
It might be proven by the fact that the sages in TP dont have identities. The sages we see in the adult side of OOT were not awoken so obviously they are not known in the child line. Also this may be why OOT is the only game where the sages are represented from different races. In the child time line the sages we see in OOT were not awoken, and so after TP the sages were seen from then on as maidens.
Now, i'm not saying that the sages in TP are the same as the maidens, but the fact that they are not represented by different races might mean there is more of a connection between the sages in TP and Alttp/FSA than the ones in OOT and Alttp. The maidens are more of descendants/replacements.}

Pretty good points, and fairly plausible.

Now with Ganondorf gotten rid of, Hyrule once again continues with its development. MC happens many years after TP....different Link. The story about the hero of men told at the beginning of MC refers to the time between TP and MC. In the mists of the battle told in the backstory of MC the knowledge of the triforce would have been lost. Vaati is sealed in the foursword. FS occurs. Ganondorf gets reincarnated/revived. FSA happens. Ganon is sealed in the four sword. Evidenced by the celebrations after, Hyrule appears to be a land at peace.... for now.

Looks okay for now, but as I'm about to show, a problem arises.

Ganon breaks the seal held on him by the four swords and finds his way into the sacred realm/golden land.
The events told of the imprisoning war takes place.

And here comes that pesky problem. In the events of the IW, Ganon gets the Triforce...by your timeline, the Triforce should not be in the Sacred Realm. It should be split up in 3 pieces. ToW with the Zelda line, ToC with the Link line, and ToP missing somewhere.

Many years later an evil wizard named Agahnim breaks the seal on Ganon. Ganon touches the triforce.
Now Alttp would take place.

Once again, whole Triforce is in the SR in aLttP...by your timeline it should be split.

Now a couple of notes on argumentive points that might arouse.
(oh yeah and Erimgard made me aware of quite a lot of issues, so thanks

You're quite welcome... and here's to many more argumentative posts!

Imprisoning war. [a little sub theory about the imprisoning war.]

First I dont think the imprisoning war refers to OOT in my opinion it refers to just after FSA. One of the things i like to refer to is that it talks about Knights that died during it, which we saw in FSA.

Ah but in neither OoT nor FSA do the knights die protecting the sages as they cast a seal on the Sacred Realm. No matter how you spin it, the Knights don't do what it says they do in the IW story. I think it's unfair to say that OoT can't be the IW because of the knight problem when the same problem remains if you place the IW just after FSA.

Now, For more detail, on what i think may have happened after fourswords to lead to the improsining war.
In the back story of Alttp it talks about 7 wise men. Now i believe this may have a relation between the sages in TP(im not necessarily saying that they are the same sages maybe descendants/replacements of the sages we see in TP). The format(right word?) of the way the sages go seems to switch. So im claiming that the wise men we here of in the imprisoning war are reincarnations/replacements of the ones in TP.

well seeing as I place aLttP on the adult timeline and I consider the 'replacement' sages to be the wise men, if you place it on the child timeline it's logical to conclude their was replacement sages sometime on the Child timeline as well.

I'm sure most of you will agree that the four swords is not the same as the master sword.
I think that the four sword not being a powerful enough seal on Ganon was shattered some time before Alttp.

Logical deduction...but now? Keep in mind, we see the FS shattered in the Dark World. So if in your theory, Ganon broke out of the FS, and THEN entered the Sacred Realm, why is the FS inside the Sacred Realm in aLttP?

Now this kind of corresponds with the knowledge of the triforce being forgotten during the time before MC. The knowledge of the master sword would have also been forgotten, therefore the maidens and princess Zelda that were responsible for sealing Ganon in the four sword at the end of FSA wouldnt have known that it wasnt able to hold the holder of the triforce of power. So basically, as there is no knowledge of the master sword is was assumed that the four sword was able to hold Ganon.

fairly logical

However this was not the case as he later on broke free and found his way into the sacred realm/golden land. The story told of the imprisoning war occurs.
The king thus commanded the sages/wise men to seal Ganon in the sacred realm.
Many years after, as it says in the back story of Alttp:
"......But, when these events
were obscured by the mists of
time and became legend..."
Agahnim breaks the seal on Ganon, touches the triforce and then the events of Alttp could occur.

Once again, if he escaped the FS and then entered the Sacred Realm...why is the FS in the Sacred Realm?

The biggest connection most will say about these two games is the issue with the triumph forks. In MC we hear of a book in the library about the triumph forks. In WW the fish guy tells us of a mysterious treasure called the triumph forks. These so called triumph forks are obviously just a wrong name for the actual triforce. The legend of the triforce has been forgotten in these games. So does that really mean MC must be placed after WW.

I suppose I can buy that.

Well in my opinion not really. The book seen in the library in MC about the triumph forks might not be relevant to whether MC is placed after WW. It could just be a cameo, and something interesting Nintendo thought they would put in the game.

Nintendo probably wouldn't make something that represented a total loss of knowledge about the most important item of the game a cameo.
the previous theory is the more believable.

I know pictographs arent as important as the triforce but in MM and in WW we see pictographs. And that doesnt mean at all that MM and WW come after the other or that they are in the same time line. So really i think that little things like the book about triumph forks in MC are just there really to make the game seem more interesting.

Eh, irrelevant argue in my mind. It's not an item of any importance.
As I said earlier, it's not so much the words "Triumph Forks" as it is what they represent.


One last thing before I submit this reply...
You have the MC backstory taking place after TP in the child timeline, correct? The MC backstory is the time when the Picor granted Hyrule the Light Force.
So, if the Light Force was only given in the child timeline and after TP...why do we see it in Phantom Hourglass? The Force Gems are the exact same thing as the Light Force. They are the same word in Japanese.

Another subtle flaw in this theory is that since princesses of Hyrule always end up being named Zelda in every game and there is a law made at the beginning of LoZ stating that all Hyrulian Princesses must be named Zelda, LoZ would probably have to go somewhere at the beginning of the timeline.

Originally Posted by kingohma

Another subtle flaw in this theory is that since princesses of Hyrule always end up being named Zelda in every game and there is a law made at the beginning of LoZ stating that all Hyrulian Princesses must be named Zelda, LoZ would probably have to go somewhere at the beginning of the timeline.

Eh not necessarily.
I agree with Bitterlime's theory that the reason most Zelda's are named Zelda is because they are reincarnations of the original [just like WW Link is a reincarnation] but when the Zelda from the AoL backstory was put to sleep, she never died and thus could not be reincarnated. All Princesses were named Zelda after that point which explains why there can be two princess Zelda's at the same time.
LoZ does not have to be near the start [and in most timelines it's not].

Just a quick post...
I dont agree with the placement of LoZ through OoX, along with the placement of TMC through LA.

It seems to me you have it switched.

Originally Posted by God of Twilight

Just a quick post...
I dont agree with the placement of LoZ through OoX, along with the placement of TMC through LA.

It seems to me you have it switched.

I can tell you from PM conversations it's because zeldagamer thinks that there are too many similarities [particularly the Master Sword placement] in between TP and aLttP to ignore.
And MC-FS-FSA has to go where aLttP goes.

Originally Posted by Erimgard

I can tell you from PM conversations it's because zeldagamer thinks that there are too many similarities [particularly the Master Sword placement] in between TP and aLttP to ignore.
And MC-FS-FSA has to go where aLttP goes.

But TMC is hard to fit after TP.
And LoZ is very hard to fit after PH

Originally Posted by God of Twilight

But TMC is hard to fit after TP.
And LoZ is very hard to fit after PH

You'll get no argument about that point from me
I've tried to convince ZG of that very thing.

I've heard her arguments before, and it's hard to sway her beliefs.

Originally Posted by kingohma

Another subtle flaw in this theory is that since princesses of Hyrule always end up being named Zelda in every game and there is a law made at the beginning of LoZ stating that all Hyrulian Princesses must be named Zelda, LoZ would probably have to go somewhere at the beginning of the timeline.

I think you're confusing LoZ with AoL's backstory. That is stated in AoL's backstory, not LoZ. Some people don't believe the backstory is canon anyway as it seems to contradict the games sometimes unless you assume quite a few things.

I have heard good arguments from people who do believe it's canon and still place it late on in the timeline about the whole naming thing. I could post them if you want.

Originally Posted by Erimgard

Why would the Triforce be hidden throughout the land when Daphnes touched it? We don't see it split, we see it fly off. I'd say the safest assumption is that it returned to the Sacred Realm. [in aLttP it seems the Triforce remains in it's holding place in the SR when it's not split. Ganon doesn't carry it with him]

The ToW don't split when Zelda decides to do it. She is the original holder of the ToW. A LoZ placement post-WW requires that the Triforce either stay in Hyrule when Daphnes wish upon it, or that the Royal Family finds it. Then, the ToC is hidden and Ganon steal the ToP.

How does LoZ happen? WW ends with a dead Ganon. LoZ begins with a very much alive Ganon.
And Twinrova in OoX are just cameos?

No matter where you put LoZ, Ganons rebirth is unaccounted for. He just somehow made it back somehow.

And here comes that pesky problem. In the events of the IW, Ganon gets the Triforce...by your timeline, the Triforce should not be in the Sacred Realm. It should be split up in 3 pieces. ToW with the Zelda line, ToC with the Link line, and ToP missing somewhere.

Well, someone in ALttP states that the Triforce was hidden in the sacred realm.

You have the MC backstory taking place after TP in the child timeline, correct? The MC backstory is the time when the Picor granted Hyrule the Light Force.
So, if the Light Force was only given in the child timeline and after TP...why do we see it in Phantom Hourglass? The Force Gems are the exact same thing as the Light Force. They are the same word in Japanese.

But that means the backstory of tMC must take place before PH as well, you know... and I don't see that happening, unless tMC is a completely different place and has nothing to do with Link and Tetra.

Otherwise, I agree with Hugh O, the evidence he posted for tWW-tMC is far more important than the Triumph Forks refference.

How does LoZ happen? WW ends with a dead Ganon.

Check Raian's last post in the translations thread.

That gives us the possibility that Ganon "split his soul" to escape the seal prior to TWW. So while Ganondorf is definitely dead, Ganon is still alive, allowing him to appear in LoZ. It would also explain why he was separated from his magicks as well as why his "demon persona" is missing.

And LoZ is very hard to fit after PH

Why's that?

The northeastern sea of PH looks unusually similar to the worlds of LoZ & AoL. Maze Island, anyone?

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

The ToW don't split when Zelda decides to do it. She is the original holder of the ToW. A LoZ placement post-WW requires that the Triforce either stay in Hyrule when Daphnes wish upon it, or that the Royal Family finds it. Then, the ToC is hidden and Ganon steal the ToP.

Agreed, but ZG didn't say that's what happened. No explanation was really given for how the pieces got from their state in WW to in LoZ.

No matter where you put LoZ, Ganons rebirth is unaccounted for. He just somehow made it back somehow.

Not if he's alive at the end of TP

Well, someone in ALttP states that the Triforce was hidden in the sacred realm.

I always assumed they just mean that it was a hidden treasure in the Sacred Realm... a poetic way to describe the goddesses leaving it there essentially

But that means the backstory of tMC must take place before PH as well, you know... and I don't see that happening, unless tMC is a completely different place and has nothing to do with Link and Tetra.

...huh. guess that never hit me xD
You believe PH to be a dream, right? Perhaps that gives some merit to that idea. I shall have to do some more research before I form an opinion.

Originally Posted by Hugh O

Okay, here I go:

How does Ganondorf manage to return and acquire the ToP between PH and LoZ?

uh.. although i didnt mention it, Hombre's explaination seems very reasonable.

Originally Posted by Hombre

The ToW don't split when Zelda decides to do it. She is the original holder of the ToW. A LoZ placement post-WW requires that the Triforce either stay in Hyrule when Daphnes wish upon it, or that the Royal Family finds it. Then, the ToC is hidden and Ganon steal the ToP.

I don't really see why the knowledge would be lost just because of what happens in tMC's backstory.

The passage of time of course. As we heard in Alttp, it is very possible for such knowledges to be forgotten through time.

Originally Posted by alttp backstory

"......But, when these events
were obscured by the mists of
time and became legend..."

Also, here are some of the reasons I think tMC must be placed after tWW:

- In tWW, the Koroks are trying to plant lots trees so that they can merge all the islands as one.

- In the Minish Cap, Hyrule is an Island on a huge sea, and there are loads of trees. This seems like the Koroks have succeded and this is one of the islands formed by them.

Problem is i dont believe in deflooding. Its a good assumption, but i'll believe it when it is proven by in game evidence that it did happen.

- tMC has clear connections with FSA and FS.

Yes, and thats why i put them in the same time line.

- In OOT, there is a quote that goes a long the lines of : "Link was born before the King unified this country." Notice it doesn't say "re-united". In tMC the land is already united and ruled over by a King so how can it come after OOT?

Eh, im not sure if you made a mistake, but MC is generally placed after OOT.
Reason being MC is already a unified country, OOT is the first game in which the country is unified. Therefore MC is placed after OOT.

I have more reasons, if you want to here them...

The reasons you provided are not satisfying enough for me, so i would like to hear more.

Also, if you place the Oracles where you place them you have to assume Twinrova's appearance is just a cameo, how can you assume Twinrova's appearance in the Oracles is just a cameo? They play an important part in the story and they even have a little bit of backstory..

I haven't played the Oracle games yet so i'll need to know more about this Twinrova situation.

Originally Posted by Erimgard

And so it begins

Why would the Triforce be hidden throughout the land when Daphnes touched it? We don't see it split, we see it fly off. I'd say the safest assumption is that it returned to the Sacred Realm. [in aLttP it seems the Triforce remains in it's holding place in the SR when it's not split. Ganon doesn't carry it with him]

Like i said to Hugh O, although i didnt mention it, Hombre has explained well.

How does LoZ happen? WW ends with a dead Ganon. LoZ begins with a very much alive Ganon.

As it always seems to be, Ganondorf/Ganon will find away to be revived/awoken/reincarnated. Its just something that we need to accept.. Ganondorf will most of the time return. Like you could say, how was he able to break the seal in the Adult side of OOT and be seen in WW. Just cause....

And here comes that pesky problem. In the events of the IW, Ganon gets the Triforce...by your timeline, the Triforce should not be in the Sacred Realm. It should be split up in 3 pieces. ToW with the Zelda line, ToC with the Link line, and ToP missing somewhere.

Well according to Hombre, someone in ALttP states that the Triforce was hidden in the sacred realm. So i guess that pretty much helps me out.

Hombre you seem to be uh.. backing me up a little, so does that mean you kind of support my theory or what.

Ah but in neither OoT nor FSA do the knights die protecting the sages as they cast a seal on the Sacred Realm. No matter how you spin it, the Knights don't do what it says they do in the IW story. I think it's unfair to say that OoT can't be the IW because of the knight problem when the same problem remains if you place the IW just after FSA.

Thats why i'm saying the imprisoning war occured after FSA. Not during. Its quite possible after FSA, Hyrule would have rebuilt its army of knights that we saw were killed in FSA and thus they were killed again during the imprisoning war.

Logical deduction...but now? Keep in mind, we see the FS shattered in the Dark World. So if in your theory, Ganon broke out of the FS, and THEN entered the Sacred Realm, why is the FS inside the Sacred Realm in aLttP?

uh.... i dont recall that. The four swords being in the sacred realm in Alttp that is.

Eh, irrelevant argue in my mind. It's not an item of any importance.
As I said earlier, it's not so much the words "Triumph Forks" as it is what they represent.

I knew you would bring this up, so i still say in my opinion that it was a cameo, whether the triforce is meant to be of importance or not.

You have the MC backstory taking place after TP in the child timeline, correct? The MC backstory is the time when the Picor granted Hyrule the Light Force.
So, if the Light Force was only given in the child timeline and after TP...why do we see it in Phantom Hourglass? The Force Gems are the exact same thing as the Light Force. They are the same word in Japanese.

Yeah has Hombre mentioned(again) if you placed MC after PH, then it doesnt seem likely that the backstory of MC would have occured in between these games.

Originally Posted by God of Twilight

Just a quick post...
I dont agree with the placement of LoZ through OoX, along with the placement of TMC through LA.

It seems to me you have it switched.

I realised that also, if i switch the games after TP to the adult line and placed it after PH, and vice versa for the games in the child time line, that would be the so called generally accepted time line.
I didn't really pay much attention to that and it was done unintentionally.

I can tell you from PM conversations it's because zeldagamer thinks that there are too many similarities [particularly the Master Sword placement] in between TP and aLttP to ignore.
And MC-FS-FSA has to go where aLttP goes.

You know me too well.

Originally Posted by zeldagamer

Well according to Hombre, someone in ALttP states that the Triforce was hidden in the sacred realm. So i guess that pretty much helps me out.

So are you suggesting that somehow someone managed to find all three pieces and hide them in the Sacred Realm?

Hombre you seem to be uh.. backing me up a little, so does that mean you kind of support my theory or what.

haha Hombre will never agree with any theory other than the double-aLttP theory
But Hombre, like me, will always make sure that other people get their facts straight. If we're going to disprove this, Hombre wants us to do it with facts.

Thats why i'm saying the imprisoning war occured after FSA. Not during. Its quite possible after FSA, Hyrule would have rebuilt its army of knights that we saw were killed in FSA and thus they were killed again during the imprisoning war.

That's a pretty big assumption.

uh.... i dont recall that. The four swords being in the sacred realm in Alttp that is.

in aLttP GBA, the Four Sword Palace with the shattered FS is in the Dark World which is just the Sacred Realm turned evil.

I knew you would bring this up, so i still say in my opinion that it was a cameo, whether the triforce is meant to be of importance or not.

allow me to disagree

Yeah has Hombre mentioned(again) if you placed MC after PH, then it doesnt seem likely that the backstory of MC would have occured in between these games.

Which has led me to believe that perhaps force gems are not light force. life force and light force are pretty clearly the same thing, but perhaps the force gems are something different.

You know me too well.

aye!

Originally Posted by Erimgard

So are you suggesting that somehow someone managed to find all three pieces and hide them in the Sacred Realm?

Well FSA Link and Zelda dont seem to have the triforce, so there is a good chance it would have gathered in the sacred realm some time before then.

haha Hombre will never agree with any theory other than the double-aLttP theory
But Hombre, like me, will always make sure that other people get their facts straight. If we're going to disprove this, Hombre wants us to do it with facts.

Let him speak for him self.... you never know.

That's a pretty big assumption.

But its still logical.

in aLttP GBA, the Four Sword Palace with the shattered FS is in the Dark World which is just the Sacred Realm turned evil.

Is Alttp GBA FS/ALTTP or just a remake of ALTTP. I get confused.

Which has led me to believe that perhaps force gems are not light force. life force and light force are pretty clearly the same thing, but perhaps the force gems are something different.

My thoughts exactly.

Originally Posted by Erimgard

Agreed, but ZG didn't say that's what happened. No explanation was really given for how the pieces got from their state in WW to in LoZ.

Lex (Seran) once said that we could just as well assume that the Triforce stay in Hyrule, instead of going back to the SR. They're equally possible. I disagree with him though, but I wanted to bring it up anyway.

Not if he's alive at the end of TP

Well the he somehow got his body back. Something happened that we don't know of.

I always assumed they just mean that it was a hidden treasure in the Sacred Realm... a poetic way to describe the goddesses leaving it there essentially

Maybe, maybe not....

You believe PH to be a dream, right? Perhaps that gives some merit to that idea. I shall have to do some more research before I form an opinion.

I'm not sure what I believe. I do know this much though: I consider in-game facts from PH valid enough to be used as support for a certain placements, but something from PH alone won't work since we're not sure if it really happened or not.

haha Hombre will never agree with any theory other than the double-aLttP theory

Not true, not true... I also agree with the generally accepted timeline, and the one where you put Loz-AoL---OoX after TP

But Hombre, like me, will always make sure that other people get their facts straight. If we're going to disprove this, Hombre wants us to do it with facts.

Yes, I fight for just, honor and... stuff like that.

Oh and... how many times has my name been mentioned in this thread? :XD

Originally Posted by zeldagamer

Well FSA Link and Zelda dont seem to have the triforce, so there is a good chance it would have gathered in the sacred realm some time before then.

If someone had managed to get all three pieces and re-unite the True Force as talked about in OoT...you'd think that would be a big enough deal for it to be mentioned in FSA. There seems to be absolutely no knowledge of the Triforce in FSA.

But its still logical.

Not really...the way it's said, it would seem that the Knights of the IW have been dead a long time in aLttP. You're suggesting all the Knights get wiped out...more knights come a long time later, they all get wiped out again, and aLttP happens a long time after that...seems unlikely to me.

Is Alttp GBA FS/ALTTP or just a remake of ALTTP. I get confused.

The GBA version of aLttP is a cartridge that has a new, updated version of aLttP [including some text changes and a new dungeon, the palace of the four sword] and it also has the game Four Swords on it.

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

Not true, not true... I also agree with the generally accepted timeline, and the one where you put Loz-AoL---OoX after TP

haha I said that jokingly

Oh and... how many times has my name been mentioned in this thread? :XD

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