Workable Timeline? [playing devil's advocate here]

Disclaimer: I do NOT believe this to be the true or most acceptable timeline.
My goal here is basically to make a timeline that goes against most ideas of a timeline but still makes sense. I'm in the mood for a debate, and I got bored, so here is the product of that

Adult
..../TP-LoZ-AoL-MC-FS-FSA-aLttP
OoT
....\MM-WW-PH-OoX-LA
Child

We all know about what happened in Ocarina of Time and how it created the split, so I'll skip that and get straight to the adult and child explanations.

Adult Timeline
As we saw in WW, it's possible to be 'separated from the elements' that made you a hero. Thus, the ToC remains in the adult timeline, and is broken.
The ToP is in the possession of Ganon.
The ToW is in the possession of Zelda.

A long time passes, someone [an ancestor of TP Link] manages to collect the ToC it's eventually inherited by TP Link.
The ToW is passed down to TP Zelda.
Ganondorf breaks free of the seal, does "something outrageous" and the failed execution takes place. This time instead of locking him in the Sacred/Dark Realm, he is sent to the Twilight Realm.

TP happens

Sometime after TP, the Triforce pieces are united and the backstory of AoL takes place.
Ganon, whether it be a reincarnation or a revived Ganon, takes the ToP and Zelda hides the ToW.

LoZ happens
AoL happens

The Triforce is united and is put back in the Sacred Realm.
Years pass and without the threat of Ganon, peace returns to the land and the Triforce is forgotten. Hyrule is rebuilt and inhabited once again.

Backstory of MC happens

MC happens.
FS happens

Ganondorf is reincarnated

FSA happens.

Ganon breaks out of the Four Sword [as evidenced by the FS palace in aLttP GBA version] and touches the Triforce.

aLttP happens

Child Timeline
After the events of OoT, Link warns the king of Ganon's plan and this time does not pull out the Master Sword.

MM happens

Because Link traveled to Termina he was separated from the ToC and it shattered into 8 pieces.
Ganondorf came to realize that he had the ToP and uses that power to attack Hyrule and no one could stop him because Link was gone. The people all fled. Link returned from Termina [as evidenced by them showing the Lost Woods at the end of MM] but he arrives far too late. The people have already fled thinking that he will not come, and the goddesses unleash the flood.

WW happens
PH happens

The Koroks efforts are successful and a new land is formed. The Triforce is eventually rediscovered and brought to rest under the protection of the Royal Family in the castle.

OoX happens

Link sails off and a storm hits.

LA happens

"But Erimgard! LA is a direct sequel to aLttP!" you cry.
And of course you're probably right, but a direct quote from Shigery Miyamoto states that it doesn't really matter where you put LA. It could go anywhere.
Seeing as how it has no relevance to the timeline, and seeing as how WW,PH, and OoX all have a boat as a common theme, I say why not put it here?

So there ya have it, debate away

I must say that you've made some pretty god points, but... do you want me to launch an airstrike of proof for the "regular" timeline, or would you like to answer those questions beforehand, since you probably know what I'm gonna say anyway. Your timeline would seem credible to the untrained eye, but there is much that go against this, and I'd like you see you work your way around that

Just for the sake of it, you know.

eh, bring the onslaught.
I'm off to eat supper, so shoot me with everything you got and I'll answer when I get back.

*loads cannon*

I'd like to know how Ganondorf in tWW justifies this:

Originally Posted by Ganny

...That here, I would again gather the
three with the crests.

When did he gather the crests, according to your theory, hmm?

*fires first shot*


Then, there's the matter of the stained glass in tWW's Hyrule Castle. Why would these people be on the glass in the room which contains the Master Sword. Them being great people of their respective races doesn't quite cut it, I think. I mean, what could they possibly have done to deserve a spot there among the Ancient Sage Rauru?

*fires second shot*


How come the sages were surprised about Ganon having the ToP in TP? Wouldn't they know since OoT that he had it? He would be quite reknowned, right? So how come they only refer to him as a thief, and not an evil king?

*fires third shot*


Why doesn't Ganon care the least about Link in TP?

*fires forth shot*


If the Hero's Shade is OoT Link, how did he know the songs from MM? Nintendo aren't keen on reusing magical songs over and over in Zelda games (has it ever happened at all?) so I'm afraid cameos isn't a reasonable explanation since there's a much more logic explanation (TP in Child Timeline).

*fires fifth shot*


How did Ganon get the Trident in OoX? He was Ganondorf in WW.

*fires sixth shot*


*is too tired to come up with anything else*

*fires seventh shot anyway*

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

When did he gather the crests, according to your theory, hmm?
*fires first shot*

I'm afraid I'm not all that familiar with WW...could you give me some info regarding the crests?

Then, there's the matter of the stained glass in tWW's Hyrule Castle. Why would these people be on the glass in the room which contains the Master Sword. Them being great people of their respective races doesn't quite cut it, I think. I mean, what could they possibly have done to deserve a spot there among the Ancient Sage Rauru?
*fires second shot*

Why do the children on Outset Isle dress up like the Hero of Time? Traditions have been passed down. The story of what the Hero of Time did and who helped him is well known. Thus the stain glass windows are there in the Child Timeline for the same reason they would be in the Adult Timeline. To honor the legendary hero from the tales.

How come the sages were surprised about Ganon having the ToP in TP? Wouldn't they know since OoT that he had it? He would be quite reknowned, right? So how come they only refer to him as a thief, and not an evil king?
*fires third shot*

I just watched the video of his execution on youtube, they don't show shock at his ToP glowing...the shocked look on their faces comes as he breaks the first chain.
And it's true, they don't call him the evil king, but they do call him a 'demon' which in Zelda is a term usually reserved for Ganon and not Ganondorf.

Why doesn't Ganon care the least about Link in TP?
*fires forth shot*

He says in OoT that he's after the descendants of Zelda and Link.
TP Link is not a descendant of Link, but rather a descendant of the person who found the ToC, and possibly a reincarnation of Link

If the Hero's Shade is OoT Link, how did he know the songs from MM? Nintendo aren't keen on reusing magical songs over and over in Zelda games (has it ever happened at all?) so I'm afraid cameos isn't a reasonable explanation since there's a much more logic explanation (TP in Child Timeline).
*fires fifth shot*

For the sake of this thread, I'm going to go against everything I truly believe...and say it:
There's not enough proof that Hero's Shade is OoT Link
GAH THE PAIN. I feel like such a traitor!

How did Ganon get the Trident in OoX? He was Ganondorf in WW.
*fires sixth shot*

How did he become Blue Ganon in LoZ eh Hombre?
both of us have unexplained Trident appearances in our timelines. Twinrova could've found it and given it to him for all we know.

*is too tired to come up with anything else*
*fires seventh shot anyway*

ooh the hostility!

Some questions, about the placement of LA:

It must come after ALTTP because:

- He has a nightmare which involves Aghanim and Ganon

- There is a turtle rock in LA

Originally Posted by Hugh O

It must come after ALTTP because:

- He has a nightmare which involves Aghanim and Ganon

- There is a turtle rock in LA

Cameos my friend. As Shigeru said, the game can go anywhere.
Now, in-game evidence overrules director quotes, sure, but seeing as the whole game was a dream, there's no reason to believe it's anything other than cameos.

Also, Zelda doesn't recognize Link.

eh? Zelda in what game?

Originally Posted by Erimgard

Cameos my friend. As Shigeru said, the game can go anywhere.
Now, in-game evidence overrules director quotes, sure, but seeing as the whole game was a dream, there's no reason to believe it's anything other than cameos.


eh? Zelda in what game?

You could say that they're cameos but it's safer to assume they aren't.

I don't now why i mentioned that Zelda part, it's midnight and i'm very tired.*Logs off*

Originally Posted by Hugh O

You could say that they're cameos but it's safer to assume they aren't.

I don't now why i mentioned that Zelda part, it's midnight and i'm very tired.*Logs off*

By that logic, we must assume that every game that has Malon, Tingle, etc in it has timeline significance to other games featuring them. They are featured in games that are significant to the timline and are actually real.
Link's Awakening is non-essential to the timeline AND a dream.
Thus, if the director says it doesn't matter where it goes, then that's fine with me. Any in-game characters are a fun cameo and a tribute to the fact that Nintendo got lazy and didn't want to come up with too deep of a plot

Originally Posted by Erimgard

I'm afraid I'm not all that familiar with WW...could you give me some info regarding the crests?

Basically, he means the Triforce pieces. The three crests of the Triforce.

Why do the children on Outset Isle dress up like the Hero of Time? Traditions have been passed down. The story of what the Hero of Time did and who helped him is well known. Thus the stain glass windows are there in the Child Timeline for the same reason they would be in the Adult Timeline. To honor the legendary hero from the tales.

I'll give you that one.

I just watched the video of his execution on youtube, they don't show shock at his ToP glowing...the shocked look on their faces comes as he breaks the first chain.
And it's true, they don't call him the evil king, but they do call him a 'demon' which in Zelda is a term usually reserved for Ganon and not Ganondorf.

I don't think they could see the ToP, I mean it's not that shiny. Anyway, if they knew about him being as good as unkillable, why the surprised reaction of him surviving and breaking a chain?

He was the leader of a band of
thieves who invaded Hyrule in the
hopes of establishing dominion
over the Sacred Realm.

He was known as a demon thief, an
evil-magic wielder renowned for
his ruthlessness...

This doesn't sound like OoT to me...

He says in OoT that he's after the descendants of Zelda and Link.
TP Link is not a descendant of Link, but rather a descendant of the person who found the ToC, and possibly a reincarnation of Link

How would Ganondorf know he wasn't? And you'd think he'd say "Hey, I know you!" or something alike, yes?

For the sake of this thread, I'm going to go against everything I truly believe...and say it:
There's not enough proof that Hero's Shade is OoT Link
GAH THE PAIN. I feel like such a traitor!

Blasphemy!

How did he become Blue Ganon in LoZ eh Hombre?
both of us have unexplained Trident appearances in our timelines. Twinrova could've found it and given it to him for all we know.

I havn't played OoX, so I don't know too much about Ganon's revival... So I'll just have to trust you on this.

ooh the hostility!

*nods and fires a few more shots. Four, to be precise.*

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

Basically, he means the Triforce pieces. The three crests of the Triforce.

hm, that's a fairly valid point I must admit.
amazing how such a small word as 'again' can in fact be pretty solid proof.

I'll give you that one.

a-thank you

I don't think they could see the ToP, I mean it's not that shiny. Anyway, if they knew about him being as good as unkillable, why the surprised reaction of him surviving and breaking a chain?

Clearly they had trust in this magic sword of there's.
Even with the ToP they might have thought they could kill him.

This doesn't sound like OoT to me...

Aye, but even if you place TP in the Child Timeline, that line would refer to OoT would it not?
Or do you believe trying to establish dominion over the sacred realm was the 'outrageous' thing he did?

How would Ganondorf know he wasn't? And you'd think he'd say "Hey, I know you!" or something alike, yes?

He didn't know either way. Link in TP is just some kid in a tunic of no importance to him. Zelda however, would obviously be a direct descendant because she's the royal princess. Thus, he focused on her descendant as he said he would.

Blasphemy!

yeah :'[ It pained me I tell you!

I havn't played OoX, so I don't know too much about Ganon's revival... So I'll just have to trust you on this.

heh, to be honest I haven't played them all the way through either xD

*nods and fires a few more shots. Four, to be precise.*

BOARD THE PLATFORMS!!!

I'm sorry but this is one of the most pathetic theories I've ever seen.

Everyone else has spared me from having to unlease my carpet bomb of canon so...