*sigh* the 4th triforce once again

i was raving on to zeldagamer of how people make stupid theories but that nintendo are not that complicated and they are just making the games with a bit of story... Just to prove my point i just randomly started to make my own theory then the more i talked about it the more it seemed it could happen but i still don't believe in it (liar!!!!) but ill tell you all anyways. here goes! :

The 3 goddesses pass through each other at the same place at the same time and create the triforce, but why are they all separate and have a hole in between them? what if maybe there was something already there? Like a Greater Evil or that the it was the empty-ness of their alliance which left the world they created wide open for ruling by the evil forces of Hyrule?

REMEMBER say what you like i would like to hear ALL your opinions i want to know if it makes sense or any other possibilities. Remember its a discussion thread, don't flame each other or me just cos you don't agree, i just want to see how it goes.

so please support or prove me wrong!

They are all three separate pieces because they each represent a virtue of the goddesses. Also because the Triforce splits if touched by an imbalanced heart.
There's no significance to the hole in the middle.
Since you didn't specifically mention a fourth goddess, I won't Gannon-ban you

Very interesting efo... in my opinion thats a good thought. There could be many possibilities as to why the triforce has a hole in the middle. it could just be a matter of the shape but really you never really could know. it will be interesting looking at what others think of this.

Who's gonna post the shield that proves the Pentaforce this time?

Thing is, there are three triangles. And no matter how you place them, something will seem to be missing. There's no reason for another piece of the triforce or anything like that.

Also, I do not belive the godesses judge between good and evil. Nope, not at all.

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

Who's gonna post the shield that proves the Pentaforce this time?

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

Pentaforce, *****es.

Thing is, there are three triangles. And no matter how you place them, something will seem to be missing. There's no reason for another piece of the triforce or anything like that.

Truth

Also, I do not belive the godesses judge between good and evil. Nope, not at all.

Agreed

Yes your right Hombre and Erimgard, there seems to be no other way to arrange the triforce without making a whole in the middle(or is there).. but ever thought why did they arrange it like that. It could have easily been like three seperate pieces altogether. I think what efo's trying to say is that there is a reason why they would be arranged that way, and maybe that symbolizes something.

It's arranged that way because it's good for plot reasons.
The three pieces can be all together and form one complete Triforce, or they can be separated. I don't think it's anything deeper than that.
Plus it looks cool

If the triforce is essentially a doughnut, perhaps the question about the middle should be whether it is filled with raspberry jelly or chocolate cream.

OK, I get your point that a lot of theories are just popular narratives. The narratives are essentially just ways of ignoring the obvious conflicts.

As for the 4th piece, nah I guess I don't think there is one. It would make for a neat game plot to say that there was some unspeakable fourth creation goddess that nobody has mentioned yet, but I doubt that Nintendo would go that way.

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

Thing is, there are three triangles. And no matter how you place them, something will seem to be missing.

:O your wrong! what if you place the triforce of power upside down it fits in between the triforce of wisdom and courage! let me show you...(with my awesomely bad paint skills )

Then it would look lame
Once again. I think it was done the way it was because:
A: So the splitting up thing makes more sense
B: It looks cool

I think the hole does mean something: when the three peices are together, they completely surrond the center. When they are divided, the center spreads everywhere. The only way that the Triforce can divide itself automatically is if someone with an unbalanced heart touches it. 2 + 2 = ...? The center symbolizes unbalance in the three forces, power, wisdom, and courage.

Edit: Missed the pic: Yes, something does look like it's missing: an upper point.

hmmm also the whole triforce as a whole what about that? its a big triangle is it not?

Originally Posted by efo

hmmm also the whole triforce as a whole what about that? its a big triangle is it not?

Eh, sort of.
They are clearly three separate pieces, but they can combine to be the 'Trueforce' as said in OoT. Only when the three pieces are together do you really have the complete power of the Triforce and the ability to make your wishes come true.

Originally Posted by Erimgard

Then it would look lame
Once again. I think it was done the way it was because:
A: So the splitting up thing makes more sense
B: It looks cool

Ha but you stated at first that theres no way for the three triangles to be arranged without making a whole... now you see.

And yeah the triforce might have been put the way it was so it would look cool.. or then theres efo's theory.

Originally Posted by Erimgard

Eh, sort of.
They are clearly three separate pieces, but they can combine to be the 'Trueforce' as said in OoT. Only when the three pieces are together do you really have the complete power of the Triforce and the ability to make your wishes come true.

That sounds like a line straight out of Pinokio. I think it is. Or maybe some other Disney movie, I don't know. But yes, the Trueforce looks like a regular Triforce piece (except for the hole), but it is the combination of the three. And that's why the pieces are seperate in OoX, because the Royal Family didn't want anyone to wish on it... of course they were all hovering right next to each other, but that's besides the point

I've always wondered that blank space, as if another piece was needed to make it whole. The whole "Ultraforce" idea is interesting, but my thought was this: perhaps the three goddesses were once one?

Maybe in another age, the one Godess became a trinity, either from an outside source or perhaps an inner conflict, and broke into three pieces, the one piece that made them whole acting as a symbol and reminder of what they used to be. That would birth the next question: Are there only three Goddesses, or is there an entire pantheon in the old Hyrulean religion, forgotten to the dusts of time?

The whole "Goddess of the Sand" in Ocarina of Time, I think, is just a part of the Gerudo culture, not another Goddess with a fourth Triangle. Unless that fourth sister was banished to Hyrule, or simply chose to stay, to watch over the fledgling civilizations. But then to represent all four, shouldn't it be a "Quadforce" instead of a Triforce? It'd be square, hideous, and therefore not a good plot device.

Anyhoo, that's my lame two bits.

P.S.

Also, the entire function of the Triforce, as per my own understanding, comes from the very physical layout of the pyramid. Power, without wisdom and courage to supplement, quickly crumbles and falls. It's a shallow strength, destined to fail; another symbol of the struggle of the hero and his inevitable victory. Courage and Wisdom are the base for all things, you can't succeed at anything without them.

If there were to be a fourth piece, I would think it would be a spiritual piece, the strength of essence and spiritual vitality, or something of the like. Perhaps that's another symbol? The lack of a center makes the Triforce prone to weakness, human weakness specifically. Lack of soul.

Originally Posted by Erimgard

Then it would look lame
Once again. I think it was done the way it was because:
A: So the splitting up thing makes more sense
B: It looks cool

The triangles arranged like that is a symbol of either Buddhism or Shinto. If anyone wants to argue with me, I have the Omamori to prove it (bought at E no Shima temple- go there if you ever go to Japan).

Symbolism my friend!

The Triforce is a symbol of perfect balance, placing three triangles in any other way would result in an imbalance. Example, the way you posted it, there would be an exact order of the Goddesses, from left to right or right to left, signifying one is greater than the other. This one shows that they are all unified, but still equal.

Originally Posted by humulos

Symbolism my friend!

The Triforce is a symbol of perfect balance, placing three triangles in any other way would result in an imbalance. Example, the way you posted it, there would be an exact order of the Goddesses, from left to right or right to left, signifying one is greater than the other. This one shows that they are all unified, but still equal.

Everywhere except the CotS in OoT, the ToP is shown on top (in the CotS the ToW is on top). Please explain.

The hole in the middle represnts nothing. I you believe that the hole means something then its your problem and stay with the doubt for ever. Anyways, I have something to this...

The hole in the middle might symbolize the living beings that are in the lands the Gods created. These "beings" choose either power, wisdom or courage and leaves the other ones. For example...

The Hylian Royal Family choose wisdom over courage and power

Link's decendants, the Hylian knights choose courage over power and wisdom

Ganondorf and hes minions choose power over courage and wisdom

All im saying is that each triforce represents a group. This groups focuses on a goal that involves the ability they choose. For example...

Courage:
Link has to use it to save Zelda and Hyrule from Ganon

Wisdom:
Zelda uses it to focus on becoming a great ruler for Hyrule and to use spells to protect her

Power:
Ganondorf uses it in an evil way.
He uses it to slave people and have an army of beast to conqer Hyrule and turn it into a wasteland of shadows.

Thats what I think.