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Old 02-11-2008, 12:37 PM
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Re: What protected Link from the Lost Woods Curse?

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There is no proof that he did. The Kokiri girl just says he did but you don't actually see any stalfos. I think she just said that to scare you because she thinks your an outsider.
Nah i believe that he did turn into a stalfos, casue you didnt see him anywhere else
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Old 02-11-2008, 12:43 PM
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Nah i believe that he did turn into a stalfos, casue you didnt see him anywhere else
Just because you didn't see him doesn't mean he became a stalfos. I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm just saying that there's no proof that children turn into skull kids, so it might be untrue (which would successfully answer the original poster's answer)
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Old 02-11-2008, 12:46 PM
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Re: What protected Link from the Lost Woods Curse?

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Just because you didn't see him doesn't mean he became a stalfos. I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm just saying that there's no proof that children turn into skull kids, so it might be untrue (which would successfully answer the original poster's answer)
My thoughts exactly. I think the whole thing is just a myth some Kokiri made up to scare away outsiders.
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Old 02-11-2008, 01:10 PM
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Re: What protected Link from the Lost Woods Curse?

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Good question...

My guess would be that the guardian fairies of the Kokiri have protective forces, they are supposed to protect the Kokiris afterall. And since Link has Navi, he is protected from the curse too.
The only problem is that Link didn't get Navi until the day he had to leave the forest.

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There is no proof that he did. The Kokiri girl just says he did but you don't actually see any stalfos. I think she just said that to scare you because she thinks your an outsider.
Possibly, but then what was the medicine for? A medicine that "won't work on a monster".
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Old 02-11-2008, 01:17 PM
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Re: What protected Link from the Lost Woods Curse?

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Possibly, but then what was the medicine for? A medicine that "won't work on a monster".
It means if your too late and he becomes a staffos, it'll be useless.

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I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm just saying that there's no proof that children turn into skull kids, so it might be untrue (which would successfully answer the original poster's answer)
Except the fact that its 100% canon from OOT? Navi says it when you L/Z Target a skull kid.

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well, maybe that's just a legend, a myth. Honestly, I have never seen any proof that any kid had been tranformed into a skull kid after getting lost in the woods. Some sources say they become deku scrubs, others say they become skull kids and yet others tell you that they would become stalfos.

My opinion: those are just myths parents tell their children in order for them not to enter the woods. None of them is real...
Adults will become staffos' and Children become skull kids. Its pretty simple really. Scrubs are a different species like Zoras and Gorons are, they're born scrub not turned into them (the mask in MM is an except because Link took the form of a dead scrub, he didn't become a whole new being.)
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Old 02-11-2008, 01:29 PM
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Re: What protected Link from the Lost Woods Curse?

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It means if your too late and he becomes a staffos, it'll be useless.



Except the fact that its 100% canon from OOT? Navi says it when you L/Z Target a skull kid.



Adults will become staffos' and Children become skull kids. Its pretty simple really. Scrubs are a different species like Zoras and Gorons are, they're born scrub not turned into them (the mask in MM is an except because Link took the form of a dead scrub, he didn't become a whole new being.)
Perhaps he thinks he'll become a stalfos because he heard the myth and believed it, then when he thought you wouldn't return he left.

Can someone find the exact quote from Navi, please? I think turning into skull kids is probably true but turning into a stalfos is not because you never see any stalfos in the Lost Woods.
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Old 02-11-2008, 01:36 PM
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Re: What protected Link from the Lost Woods Curse?

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It means if your too late and he becomes a staffos, it'll be useless.
That was a rhetorical question.

Right answer though.
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Old 02-11-2008, 01:38 PM
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Re: What protected Link from the Lost Woods Curse?

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Except the fact that its 100% canon from OOT? Navi says it when you L/Z Target a skull kid.
Well, if a character said that the world is made of marshmellow in the game, would this mean it is true?? I never said what Navi said isn't canon. She said it, I know. What i'm saying is that she might be either lying or wrong...

just because someone says something in the game, doesn't mean it is the absolute truth. The statement will be canon, but the actual truth about it won't (considering there's no in-game lines to prove so0.
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Old 02-11-2008, 01:41 PM
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Re: What protected Link from the Lost Woods Curse?

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Originally Posted by Navi
Skull Kid
Is this what happens to kids who
wander into the forest? It looks
like he doesn't like grownups.

Skull Kid
Is this what happens to kids who
get lost in the forest? He might
be our friend if we do something...

Skull Kid
Is this what happens to kids who
get lost in this forest? He seems
unhappy to have no face...

Skull Kid
Is this what happens to kids who
get lost in this forest? He looks
satisfied with his skull face.
Navi herself is speculating--> no proof, but I still think that it might be true.

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Originally Posted by that old medicine hag
If you see that fool, give this to
him. It is the strongest medicine
I have ever produced.
However, this potion will not
work on a monster...
This prooves that people at least think that the Forest changes you.
And here is something a Dekuscrub in FSA has to tell you.

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The Lost Woods is our
birthplace!

If you wander lost here for
too long, you too can
become a Deku Scrub!
Bodychanging curse of different woods pretty much confirmed.
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Old 02-11-2008, 01:53 PM
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Re: What protected Link from the Lost Woods Curse?

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Navi herself is speculating--> no proof, but I still think that it might be true.



This prooves that people at least think that the Forest changes you.
And here is something a Dekuscrub in FSA has to tell you.



Bodychanging curse of different woods pretty much confirmed.
All of that just seems like speculating to me. There is no proof. I think it's just a myth, a myth that spread and now pretty much everyone believes in.
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Old 02-11-2008, 02:34 PM
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Re: What protected Link from the Lost Woods Curse?

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Originally Posted by DEPPI THE DEKU SCRUB
(after talking to Dekki)
You've got promise. That's
why you should become Deku
Scrubs!
This is said by a different Deku scrub and again pretty much proves that humans can become Deku scrubs.

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Do you know this village,
Link? Kakariko was once
home to many kind people.

Now however, it's become a
rather dangerous place.

The darkness that cloaks
its people has cost many
of them their humanity.

It's madness. How much
stronger will this darkness
in Hyrule grow?
Loss of humanity? Unless he is not refering to the many thievs that live in Kakariko (theft=loss of humanity seems a bit overdramatic) this implies that some of the villagers changed there form.

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Originally Posted by some guy in Kakariko
Leave the village and follow
a mighty river downstream.
and you'll find a temple.

You should go there and
swear your allegiance to
the great king.
This king that he talks about turns out to be Ganondorf. This implies to me that other villagers have sworn loyalty to Ganondorf, yet we only see Dekuscrubs as Ganondorf servants.

It seems very likley that the curse is real in FSA, while in OoT it is only indicated that it could be real.

Oh on a side note Kakariko is in the lost woods in FSA.

Edit: to make things clearer all those quotes are from FSA
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Old 02-11-2008, 03:06 PM
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This is said by a different Deku scrub and again pretty much proves that humans can become Deku scrubs.

Loss of humanity? Unless he is not refering to the many thievs that live in Kakariko (theft=loss of humanity seems a bit overdramatic) this implies that some of the villagers changed there form.

This implies to me that other villagers have sworn loyalty to Ganondorf, yet we only see Dekuscrubs as Ganondorf servants

It seems very likley that the curse is real in FSA, while in OoT it is only indicated that it could be real.

Oh on a side note Kakariko is in the lost woods in FSA.
Is FSA relevant to OOT? I haven't played it so I don't know

Becoming a Skull Kids & Staffos makes sense, becoming a deku scrub doesn't make that much sense, scrubs aren't overly bitter and are very forward with their intentions (example: defend themselves or sell you crap)

Skull Kids love kids and hate adult, thats because their mind is still that of a child.

Staffos are just men and they're very bitter because they've become a monster.

But it doesn't explain why Staffos' are in the shadow temple and various other places.

And what about the baby staffos skeleton children that attack you during the night as a child, what could they be?

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and you'll find a temple.

You should go there and
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the great king.
The great temple at the end of the river wouldn't that be Zora's Domain & King Zora? Hyrule Castle is not the end of the river and the castle is not a temple. Not sure what that means.
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Old 02-11-2008, 03:17 PM
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Re: What protected Link from the Lost Woods Curse?

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Is FSA relevant to OOT? I haven't played it so I don't know

Becoming a Skull Kids & Staffos makes sense, becoming a deku scrub doesn't make that much sense, scrubs aren't overly bitter and are very forward with their intentions (example: defend themselves or sell you crap)

Skull Kids love kids and hate adult, thats because their mind is still that of a child.

Staffos are just men and they're very bitter because they've become a monster.

But it doesn't explain why Staffos' are in the shadow temple and various other places.

And what about the baby staffos skeleton children that attack you during the night as a child, what could they be?


The great temple at the end of the river wouldn't that be Zora's Domain & King Zora? Hyrule Castle is not the end of the river and the castle is not a temple. Not sure what that means.
Oh sorry I think I didn't make that clear enough, in FSA you folow said river and find the darktemple of Ganondorf. This ofcourse means that the great king they talked about is Ganondorf.

And FSA is not really relevant to OoT, I just used it to prove that the woods in Zelda games often have bodychanging curses.
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Old 02-11-2008, 09:26 PM
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Note also that the Woods of Mystery in MM (opposite of Lost Woods) don't seem to have any such effects. Only monkeys, the Twinrova sisters, and Snappers (turtle things) seem to go there. We don't see any Stalfos, Skull Kids, etc. there for whatever reason (I can see Deku going there for whatever).

Also, it does say that the people become "monsters" I think is what that girl said. I don't think she specified a Stalfos. Memory's not the best, so don't throw a sword at me if I'm wrong. Anyway, where do you think that girl vanishes to after that? And the guy? Wait, what if the guy became a Stalfos and the girl killed him because he was a monster? It would be possible, but unlikely, as I'm sure you'll say.

Point is, all we know about Skull Kids is what Navi speculates and the Kokiri state. Now, can we get back on topic?

Link is protected because he's a Kokiri, or at least part Kokiri. It's what I believe. But, if that doesn't work for you (I'm sure most don't believe that), then Saria would be able to protect Link while they played in the Lost Woods. Also, maybe fairies give protection and they would share that? Plus, Saria can clearly navigate the Lost Woods, so it's unlikely the two of them would get lost if they're in there together. BUT, in the event Link did go in there, that it was before he got Navi, that he ISN'T a Kokiri (I hated typing that), then I suppose there's always the theories that the GDT is protecting him or his mother's spirit is watching over him. idk.

Those are what I believe to be all the possible theories. If ya got another cool one, lemme hear, err, read it.
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Old 02-11-2008, 09:30 PM
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Re: What protected Link from the Lost Woods Curse?

I never knew there was any curse. I haven't played OoT for a long time, so I think I have begun to assume that Skull Kids were a bit like those people you see in random places. You don't ask where they're from, or how they got there, you just accept the fact that they're there.
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Old 02-11-2008, 09:43 PM
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I never do that. I've always gotta wonder why everything's everywhere. For instance, I wondered about the Stalfos existence in Shadow Temple (they're just fallen warriors who feel they have to defend their homes) and their lack thereof in the Forest Temple (maybe they leave the forest after becoming monsters to live in Shadow Temple? idk.)
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Old 02-11-2008, 10:15 PM
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You need to be lost to turn into a Stalfos/Skull Kid. You ever wonder why Link goes to the begining of the maze when you go down the wrong tunnel? Its because he knows he is in the wrong part and starts from the begining. Dont want to back track in a place called 'Lost Woods', so he just finds his way back to the begining of the maze.

So Link never gets lost, otherwise he might turn into a monster!
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Old 02-11-2008, 10:18 PM
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3 words "he has nuts" deku nuts i mean, what were you thinking?
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Old 02-11-2008, 10:28 PM
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3 words "he has nuts" deku nuts i mean, what were you thinking?
hahaha. but um...what do deku nuts have to do with it o.0
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Old 02-11-2008, 10:34 PM
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