The Double ALttP Theory

I also think Hyrule, or rather a new Hyrule, will be created. And I think what Qnez means is he hopes the next game will show the Great Sea diminishing, or at least show a huge continent similar to the new Hyrule. I hope there will be a game like that someday too...at least there should be.

Here's an idea that I just came up with, posting it here for relevance. I came up with a possible solution for this while looking at some stuff in the Geography thread.

Originally Posted by MercuryMule

Seeing as how it was a completely different forest, it was more of an allusion

The answer might be, they're not different at all. In Ocarina of Time, walking around a little in the lost woods could make you end up in places as far away as Goron City, and there's no telling how far it actually can take you. Now, there's a Lost Woods kind of part in TP, which just happens to be right before you get to the Master Sword. Do your maths, and there just might be a perfectly logic explanation it all. Me thinks so

The answer might be, they're not different at all. In Ocarina of Time, walking around a little in the lost woods could make you end up in places as far away as Goron City, and there's no telling how far it actually can take you. Now, there's a Lost Woods kind of part in TP, which just happens to be right before you get to the Master Sword. Do your maths, and there just might be a perfectly logic explanation it all. Me thinks so

Assuming it warps you to another part of the map that would work better with coinciding geography seems to be stretching things to fit the theory. The map tells you you're still down south, I'll trust that instead.

I was just about to post something to that effect.

With the help of this theory, I think I have created my timeline.

If you look at the Geography thread you can see my OOT-TP-ALttP geography explanation for the forest and the master sword.

Although it may not be the same forest in the Adult Timeline, the forests in TP, when you use the right-handed wii version and flip it upside down, resemble the forest of a 45-degree angle turned ALttP map. This may seem like somewhat of a stretch, but it solidifies my (newfound) belief in the double ALttP theory.

Originally Posted by MercuryMule

Assuming it warps you to another part of the map that would work better with coinciding geography seems to be stretching things to fit the theory. The map tells you you're still down south, I'll trust that instead.

I knew you'd say that, but I'm sure the OoT map tells you you're down in the woods as well, when you're standing one opening away form Goron City or is one diving spot away from Zora's Domain.

I'm not saying I'm right, but it certainly makes sense to me.

When you are close to the warp the leads you there, yes. When you are actually there, no.
The warp is defined, and as soon as you cross it the map tells you so.

^ That's true. But I think the lost woods weren't actually supposed to be a small piece of forest with portals in it, but a forest that's extremely huge, and that if you keep walking, you can access pretty much any part of the world. Obviously they wouldn't, and couldn't make that happen, so instead they represented it with what they had. As for TP, even though the map tells you that you're still in that same part, I'd say it's more likely the developers just didn't think of making a whole new area just to make the positions fit. As stated by Aonuma (I belive), they don't care that much for the story and timeline placement.

Now, thinking about how the Master Sword ended up in the woods in the first place, I always assumed the Royal family (or the sages) decided to hide it from evil, why else would they try so hard to move the entire Temple of Time and hide it in such a nasty place? But now I'm starting to lean more towards that they didn't really move the temple that far away, but actually just a bit out of Castle Town. Why they would do that, I don't really know. There doesn't seem to be an equivalnece of a Temple on the Castle Town, so maybe people just got less religious and decided to move the temple some place else, and as time passes they forgot about it and it became forsaken. That's just on top of my head though, but I'll certainly think about it some more.

It could also be that they tore down the Temple of Time and built another one in the woods, rather than "moving" it. That could explain the differences between the temple in OoT and TP. What wouldnt make sense though is how Link can go to the past in the temple, and its still in the woods(in TP)

Perhaps the "past" Temple of Time is a newly-built one in the woods, not in the OOT Temple.

EDIT: Explained:

ToT rebuilt in the woods after OOT. At this point in time is the temple you visit in TP when you go through that door.

^It'd still look exactly like the old Temple of Time, so there wouldn't really be a difference. Except, of course the inclusion of the Temple of Time Dungeon.

you may find this interesting, its a translation of TP text (1st is japanese text, 2nd is translated, 3rd is the english version of the game)

Originally Posted by Jumbie @ LegendsAlliance

Still not done with the FSA portion, because I'm lazy and arbitrary...
But I got something else. Twilight Princess, Rusl in the Faron Woods, about the Temple of Time:

Japanese states why the Temple of Time was preserved in its past state: to be able to remain "for all eternity".
Now, based on that, I've come up with a little theory.

In TP we travelled back inside the temple to a time where it was still standing in all its splendour. But consider this: What if this same 'time space' already existed back in OoT, and the Hero of Time actually entered it by passing the Door of Time? (We certainly wouldn't notice since the temple was just as intact during OoT.)

First of all, it would reconcile the seemingly different functions of the Door of Time in OoT and TP as them being the very same all along.
Secondly, it would give the Temple of Time a perfect justification for its name, already in times long before TP.
And most importantly, it would enable the temple to truly guard the entrance to the Sacred Realm for all eternity, since it always remains intact in that past space (granted that no one destroys it while in the past).

The problem, however, is how to connect that past space with the Sacred Realm. Always being able to enter a past version of the SR feels unsettling… Postulating an atemporal SR is taboo… And being transported from the past temple to the present-time SR is illogical as well…

Hm...
I think I get it...
You're saying that when someone enters the Temple, they are transported to a past time, a time in which the temple remains intact, but people could still enter the Sacred Realm in the present time?
Interesting.
The only problem with that is in OoT there's no evidence of Link being transported anywhere when he passes through the Door of Time.
otherwise, good theory

I didn't write that, Jumbie from LA did.
I personally think that the master sword room is sort of half way between hyrule and the sacred realm, and it can only be accessed through the Door of Time. The reason the MS can be access outside of entering the Door of Time is because it is a link between worlds, as as such while it is in the pedestal it exists in both. /speculation

I don't know why the Master Sword is outside the temple in TP yet inside in OOT. Perhaps to serve as a seal to the Sacred Realm, it must be in its pedestal in the ToT. When it is just serving as a blade of evil's bane it may be outside. /Speculation as well

Isnt the sword technically inside in TP, considering the temple is in ruins?

I actually think that while the Master Sword is indeed a key needed to access the Sacred Realm, you need more than that: The 3 spiritual stones

Who knows, maybe you dont need them to access the sacred realm, but at least in OoT you do. It could explain why pulling the sword in ALttP, WW, and TP doesnt pull you into the Sacred Realm

Oh yes, I forgot about that, that the temple is in ruins.

The sacred realm really isn't an issue in TP, as the Triforce is already in Hyrule.
And you would need the 3 spiritual stones and the ocarina.

Speaking of which, I've always wondered where exactly the "door" or portal to the SR is in OOT. I know you never get to see it, but I always wondered how it worked, how Ganondorf finally got to the SR.

I thought the door was the door that opened when you use the spiritual stones and the ocarina.

^ That's what I thought too and I think it is that door because when you open it you see Ganondorf go inside and I think the sacred realm is where all the sages are.

I don't know if that's the door you go through in TP... are you talking about the door that you go into and you are transported back in time? Because that door was a lot smaller than THE Door of Time in OOT.

I would like to see a 3D game with the SR included in it. In OOT Rauru talked about how the Chamber of the Sages was the last stronhold in the Temple of Light, which housed the Triforce, in the Sacred Realm.

If there was a game with the SR, Triforce, and actual accessible chamber of the sages, I don't know what I would do. I'd probably cry.

actually, since the MS is the final key to the Sacred Realm, the "door" is likely the platform the MS rests on.