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Old 11-07-2007, 09:23 PM
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How does Ganon get the triforce of power in twilight princess?

In OOT there were two time lines created. TimelineA will be where Adult Link was sent out of extience. TimelineB was where child Link stopped Ganon by telling the King about Ganon. So that means the temple of time was never opened so Ganon never received his triforce of power.

So where does Twilight Princess take place in this timeline? If you think it's TimelineA then we know. If you think it's TimelineB then how do you think he gets the power?
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Re: How does Ganon get the triforce of power in twilight princess?

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In OOT there were two time lines created. TimelineA will be where Adult Link was sent out of extience. TimelineB was where child Link stopped Ganon by telling the King about Ganon. So that means the temple of time was never opened so Ganon never received his triforce of power.

So where does Twilight Princess take place in this timeline? If you think it's TimelineA then we know. If you think it's TimelineB then how do you think he gets the power?
I think you sort of answered your own question. If the temple of time was never opened, then Ganon never received the ToP. Therefore, I don't really see there being a way for him to already have it in Twilight Princess if you follow that time line. The exception would be if Nintendo threw another game in between the two at a later time. That's in the future though, and for now, I think it's best to just stick with it has to be on Time line A.
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Old 11-07-2007, 09:41 PM
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Re: How does Ganon get the triforce of power in twilight princess?

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I think you sort of answered your own question. If the temple of time was never opened, then Ganon never received the ToP. Therefore, I don't really see there being a way for him to already have it in Twilight Princess if you follow that time line. The exception would be if Nintendo threw another game in between the two at a later time. That's in the future though, and for now, I think it's best to just stick with it has to be on Time line A.
The thing is the temple of time is open when you are sent back in time, so he had to be sent back to a point after it was opened. Therefore to close it link had to have the ocarina of time meaning he was sent back to a point after he opened the temple the first time if not after his final time of going into the future. Which means Ganon should have had ample time to go take the triforce.
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Old 11-08-2007, 06:36 AM
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Re: How does Ganon get the triforce of power in twilight princess?

"Ganondorf was stopped" is a really broad range of interpretations, and not all of them necessitate that he was stopped from getting the Triforce in the first place.
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Old 11-08-2007, 07:04 AM
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Re: How does Ganon get the triforce of power in twilight princess?

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The thing is the temple of time is open when you are sent back in time, so he had to be sent back to a point after it was opened. Therefore to close it link had to have the ocarina of time meaning he was sent back to a point after he opened the temple the first time if not after his final time of going into the future. Which means Ganon should have had ample time to go take the triforce.
Also, when link returns, he still has the Triforce of Courage, which he wouldn't have if the triforce in the child timeline wasn't already split, since the Adult ToC stayed in the adult timeline to be found by WW Link.
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Re: How does Ganon get the triforce of power in twilight princess?

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Also, when link returns, he still has the Triforce of Courage, which he wouldn't have if the triforce in the child timeline wasn't already split, since the Adult ToC stayed in the adult timeline to be found by WW Link.
Are we sure of that? If it was not glowing, then it was not the Triforce, but just a nifty tattoo.

The other explanation is that Zelda split it on her own, hence why Ganondorf himself was surprised at his new ToP.
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Old 11-08-2007, 12:03 PM
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Re: How does Ganon get the triforce of power in twilight princess?

^ Yeah, it is shiny. Link's piece at least. The other pieces aren't, so it's not anything graphical.

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Old 11-08-2007, 12:07 PM
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Re: How does Ganon get the triforce of power in twilight princess?

There's a range of theories on this; I'll give my fave:

When Link goes back in time at the end of OoT, he possesses the ToC from Timeline A. However, in Timeline B there's already a ToC (in the Sacred Realm with the other two because Ganondorf hasn't gotten in yet) so there would be two if he brought it, and that would also leave Timeline A without any. This is bad because it's a divine power and who knows, it might make the universe implode to have an unbalanced Triforce or something. Therefore, the ToC is left behind in Timeline A (TWW explains that it shattered into 8 pieces when he left on his journey back through time and got separated from the elements that made him a hero). All this is fairly well backed-up by canon. But now the Hero of Time has no ToC when he arrives in Timeline B. What happens? (Here comes the guessed part)

The universe sets the balance right again by giving him the ToC of Timeline B, instantaneously splitting the Triforce in 3 and sending the other pieces to their destined holders (same as when Ganondorf got the ToP in Timeline A). No-one could have known that this happened and so during Ganondorf's near-execution, the Sages were surprised to see that Ganondorf had the ToP anyway, even though everyone had worked so hard to prevent that happening.
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Old 11-08-2007, 12:13 PM
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Re: How does Ganon get the triforce of power in twilight princess?

^ You know what hit me reading that? When Link returns, he meet Zelda in the castle. This would be impossible if the door had already been opened before, since Ganondorf attacked the castle and Impa escaped with Zelda (remember how you got the Ocarina of Time?).

So... Ganondorf couldn't have gotten the Triforce prior to that. Then I guess your theory is more credible.
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Old 11-08-2007, 12:50 PM
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Re: How does Ganon get the triforce of power in twilight princess?

Ganondorf always had the Triforce in the Twilight princess.
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Re: How does Ganon get the triforce of power in twilight princess?

^:glare Well he must've gotten it from somewhere to begin with... before the game iteself, that is.
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Old 11-08-2007, 02:48 PM
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Re: How does Ganon get the triforce of power in twilight princess?

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^ You know what hit me reading that? When Link returns, he meet Zelda in the castle. This would be impossible if the door had already been opened before, since Ganondorf attacked the castle and Impa escaped with Zelda (remember how you got the Ocarina of Time?).

So... Ganondorf couldn't have gotten the Triforce prior to that. Then I guess your theory is more credible.
I know, and agree. However that opens up another can of paradox: the Door of Time was only opened after Ganondorf attacked, so how did Link get out of the Temple of Time after he arrived back in the past? Is it significant that, at that moment, we see Navi flying to the window that TP reveals is a door, presumably getting separated from Link?
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Old 11-08-2007, 03:20 PM
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Re: How does Ganon get the triforce of power in twilight princess?

^ Perhaps the door can be opened from inside. And as for the window... I don't think they built the temple on the other side until after OoT. If the Oocca would've built it prior to that, they would've found the triforce as well, and I doubt they just left it be. own guess. Also, the bridge should've activated whenever Link put the sword in the pedistal. But that's just my
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Re: How does Ganon get the triforce of power in twilight princess?

In my opinion, Ganon had it ever since Zelda sent Link back. Since Link would have still had the Triforce of Courage, this would cause the rest of the Triforce to be sent to their respective owners. Ganon just did not realize this for a while (Just because you have the Triforce doesn't mean you know you do, Link did not realize he had it until he was told so in OoT) So when Ganon realized he had it some time later, he went on his rampage and that is when the Sages sealed him in the Twilight Realm.

And Link had to have had the ToC in TP because otherwise he wouldn't turn into a wolf in the Twilight Realm (remember, it was shiny when he first transformed)
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Old 11-08-2007, 05:32 PM
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Re: How does Ganon get the triforce of power in twilight princess?

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In my opinion, Ganon had it ever since Zelda sent Link back. Since Link would have still had the Triforce of Courage, this would cause the rest of the Triforce to be sent to their respective owners. Ganon just did not realize this for a while (Just because you have the Triforce doesn't mean you know you do, Link did not realize he had it until he was told so in OoT) So when Ganon realized he had it some time later, he went on his rampage and that is when the Sages sealed him in the Twilight Realm.
Exactly. In fact, Ganondorf might've gotten caught by the Sages while trying to steal the ToP he already had... only realising he had it when his life was in peril during the execution, just as Link's ToC only made itself known when he was attacked by the Shadow Assailant thingy.
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