Could it be possible that...

The Twili are the Gerudo in the Twilight Realm?

The reason I think this is because in the normal world there is only one male Gerudo born every one hundred years or so, and there happens to be (to my knowledge) only one female. Also, all the Gerudos are gone in TP, and people can't just disappear, they had to go somwhere.

What do you think?

Well I'm not exactly sure where they could've gone I mean in Majora's mask there was a type of Gerudo force but they were called pirates and I don't think they have a connection with the Gerudo from Ocarina of Time because those guys are from Termina and not Hyrule. I don't really think they became Twili though. Thing is the "Gerudo desert" is pretty much empty other than the area leading to the temple which always confused me. Thing is it's kind of complicated for me to type out and what I really think is that Nintendo just went with a random layout and didn't think about the past one but I don't know for sure. Pulse I didn’t know that only one girl was born each 100 years I thought it didn’t really matter about the girl only the boy was born every 100 years (I guess I have some reading to do…).

Originally Posted by Zelfreakv1

The Twili are the Gerudo in the Twilight Realm?

The reason I think this is because in the normal world there is only one male Gerudo born every one hundred years or so, and there happens to be (to my knowledge) only one female. Also, all the Gerudos are gone in TP, and people can't just disappear, they had to go somwhere.

What do you think?

Logically speaking, if there's only one male when sealed in (if Ganondorf didn't mess up that system), the race will die of inbreeding in a few generations. Thus, impossible. It's certainly possible that Gerudo were among the Interlopers, but members of another human race would have to have been with them as well, in order to produce the genetic variety we see in the Twili (facial shape, eyes, size, and such) and a viable race.

We are specifically told the Gerudo only have a male every so often (and the ways they make up for it); we are not specifically told that the Twili only have one female. It just so happens that we are only shown one. It's like the Zora in Ocarina of Time. We were only shown one female (Ruto), but we were left to infer that there were other females of her race, as proven in Twilight Princess. We are also never shown a true male Sheikah, but we infer that there must be, since Zelda can disguise herself as one.

Personally, I view the Interlopers as a multiracial group that was linked together via magic and a desire to dominate the Sacred Realm rather than race. In my view, some Gerudo were still around after the Interlopers were locked away. Telma, a Hylian with heavy Gerudo heritage, appears to celebrate her heritage- she wears her hair in cornrows (a style also worn by the only other Gerudo in the game, Ganondorf) and her tavern contains many Persian-esque tapestries. Persia is a real-world influence on the Gerudo. If her Gerudo-esque looks were just a genetic fluke from a mixed gene pool, I doubt she'd have the tapestries or wear her hair like that.

All in all, I doubt the Interlopers are strictly Gerudo in origin, and the Twili most likely have more than one female.

Originally Posted by Eralk Fang

Logically speaking, if there's only one male when sealed in (if Ganondorf didn't mess up that system), the race will die of inbreeding in a few generations.

Considering how massively deformed most of them are...

Originally Posted by LexLionHart

Considering how massively deformed most of them are...

The "regular" Twili? They're recently released from magical imprisonment, and we're only shown a handful. They don't appear particularly deformed to me- they're either short and pudgy or medium and kind of stretched out. Somewhat like caricatures, but that's not strange for a Zelda game. Inbreeding does case shortness, but it also causes facial asymmetry, which no Twili appears to have. Given the immense amount of variety between Midna, Zant, and Midna's imp form alone, I think there's plenty of generic variety.

In any case, if the Twili have had enough time to sink into a antipathetic stupor where ambition is concerned race-wide, a race propagated by one man would probably have died out in that period of time.

Although I agree Gerudo were sealed in the twilight realm, the Interlopers are most likely sheikah.


Just think about it, the backup goes on and on.

Originally Posted by WWLinkMasterX

Although I agree Gerudo were sealed in the twilight realm, the Interlopers are most likely sheikah.


Just think about it, the backup goes on and on.

If the Interlopers were Sheikah, then why were the Gerudo locked in the Twilight Realm? The Interlopers were locked in the Twilight Realm.

I think there's a good bit of evidence for Sheikah as Interlopers as well, although I seriously hesitate to use the eye on the back of the Fused Shadows, as, since it is not specifically the Sheikah eye, could simply be an Eye of Truth, a symbol widespread in Hyrule and beyond.

If the Interlopers were Sheikah, then why were the Gerudo locked in the Twilight Realm? The Interlopers were locked in the Twilight Realm.

I think there's a good bit of evidence for Sheikah as Interlopers as well, although I seriously hesitate to use the eye on the back of the Fused Shadows, as, since it is not specifically the Sheikah eye, could simply be an Eye of Truth, a symbol widespread in Hyrule and beyond.

Your right that's not very specific evidence, but I thought of that even before I knew it was on the back of the helmet. My strongest evidence is that Midna tells you that that her people believe the hero comes in the form of a divine beast, a wolf. This goes well with the "howling stones," the very same stones that not only look like sheikah gossip stones, but also bear the sheikah mark.

And the gerudo could get sent to the twilight realm for many reasons. As we se gannon being sent into the twilight realm as a last resort, it seems being sent there is a punishment worse than death itself. The arbitors grounds is a place of judgement and many criminals and theives pobably met there sentence there long after the interloapers.

Or my personal theory, the interloapers were driven across the land. Eventally coming across a gerudo settlment, the gods finally sent the light spirits and in the confusion of battle more than just sheikah were locked away.

But yeah the gerudo probably were in on it too.

Originally Posted by WWLinkMasterX

Your right that's not very specific evidence, but I thought of that even before I knew it was on the back of the helmet. My strongest evidence is that Midna tells you that that her people believe the hero comes in the form of a divine beast, a wolf. This goes well with the "howling stones," the very same stones that not only look like sheikah gossip stones, but also bear the sheikah mark.

And the gerudo could get sent to the twilight realm for many reasons. As we se gannon being sent into the twilight realm as a last resort, it seems being sent there is a punishment worse than death itself. The arbitors grounds is a place of judgement and many criminals and theives pobably met there sentence there long after the interloapers.

Or my personal theory, the interloapers were driven across the land. Eventally coming across a gerudo settlment, the gods finally sent the light spirits and in the confusion of battle more than just sheikah were locked away.

Also, the most obvious piece of evidence for the Sheikah, the fact that the Twili use shadow magic, where shadows are connected to the Sheikah.

It's definitely different from our
tribe's shadow magic...

But as for the Gerudo... to be quite honest, the ideal Gerudo in their society appears to be a chivalrous thief with great horse skills. The archetypal chivalrous thief, of course, is Robin Hood.

When Nabooru was a lone wolf
thief, she never stole from
the weak, but...

Now, Nabooru's gang of thieves
stands for cruelty and brutality.
She claims to be a chivalrous
robber, but...no way!

In Gerudo society, those who have
great skill in horseback riding and
archery are well respected.

Also, the Mirror of Twilight was saved for death penalties. Stealing "properly" and attempting to take over the world are two very different offenses.

The Gerudo Desert once held a prison built to hold the worst criminals this
land has ever known...
The criminals who were sentenced to death were sent directly to the underworld
by a cursed mirror that was kept in the prison...
Now that prison is condemned, and even the road leading to the desert is
impassable.
This desert at world's end... It still holds the cursed mirror and the malice
of the doomed inmates...

On top of it all, Arbiter's Ground is not only built on Gerudo land, but it is a Gerudo building. It's covered in their sandscript and depicts one of the Twinrova sisters over and over. The Gerudo may have gotten some perks in return for building and possibly staffing such a building.

While they may have been some casualties (although I doubt the Light Spirits did so), I doubt the entire race was locked away.

as for the whole gerudo inbreeding deal, i don't think that's a problem with them. in OoT, it's said (i think by a gossip stone) that the gerudo go to castle town to look for boyfriends. so, they simply meet men to breed, then leave them and go back to their fortress, where they give birth to more girls, and so on and so forth. the one male that is born then becomes their leader.

there is a strong tie between the sheikah and the twili though. eye of truth symbols on the howling stones (which i guess are related to the twili, since they believe in the coming of the divine wolf), and apparently on the fused shadows too? (i missed that one, but eralk fang seems to have seen it). and the eye of truth symbol was the symbol of the sheikah, and related to the shadow temple (of which impa was the awakened sage), and the twili live in the shadow realm.

however, i don't think that all of the sheikah were interlopers, because the hidden village used to be the secret home of the sheikah (remember the old lady, named after impa, who started the village?) i think the interlopers were probably a renegade faction of sheikah. the ones who were loyal to the king became protectors of the royal family, while the ones who practiced shadow magic and rebelled were sent to the shadow realm.

i think, since TP is obviously quite a bit in the future from OoT (the hero of time is already a legend), it's possible that the gerudos simply dispersed and mixed genetically with hylians, which could result in someone like telma, with gerudo genes in her blood, but not 100%. some probably stayed to guard the prison (arbitor's grounds) within their fortress, but perhaps after some time they all just abandoned it, and the gerudo no longer existed as a clan. after all, their only king was no more, and 100 years is plent of time for a tribe to fall apart when there is no leadership.

Originally Posted by shadow_link_08

as for the whole gerudo inbreeding deal, i don't think that's a problem with them. in OoT, it's said (i think by a gossip stone) that the gerudo go to castle town to look for boyfriends. so, they simply meet men to breed, then leave them and go back to their fortress, where they give birth to more girls, and so on and so forth. the one male that is born then becomes their leader.

This is what occurs in a multiracial society. If the Gerudo race is thrown into an empty realm, with a token male, inbreeding will occur. It doesn't occur in Hyrule since the human gene pool is varied.

Originally Posted by shadow_link_08

there is a strong tie between the sheikah and the twili though. eye of truth symbols on the howling stones (which i guess are related to the twili, since they believe in the coming of the divine wolf), and apparently on the fused shadows too? (i missed that one, but eralk fang seems to have seen it). and the eye of truth symbol was the symbol of the sheikah, and related to the shadow temple (of which impa was the awakened sage), and the twili live in the shadow realm.

however, i don't think that all of the sheikah were interlopers, because the hidden village used to be the secret home of the sheikah (remember the old lady, named after impa, who started the village?) i think the interlopers were probably a renegade faction of sheikah. the ones who were loyal to the king became protectors of the royal family, while the ones who practiced shadow magic and rebelled were sent to the shadow realm.

I like this idea. And the eyes on the back of the helm can be found here, directly ripped from the texture files of the game.

Originally Posted by shadow_link_08

i think, since TP is obviously quite a bit in the future from OoT (the hero of time is already a legend), it's possible that the gerudos simply dispersed and mixed genetically with hylians, which could result in someone like telma, with gerudo genes in her blood, but not 100%. some probably stayed to guard the prison (arbitor's grounds) within their fortress, but perhaps after some time they all just abandoned it, and the gerudo no longer existed as a clan. after all, their only king was no more, and 100 years is plent of time for a tribe to fall apart when there is no leadership.

Ganondorf's second in command is Nabooru, meaning she was in charge once he was arrested.

The exalted Nabooru, our leader,
put me in charge of this fortress.
Nabooru is the second-in-command
to the great Ganondorf, King of
the Gerudo Thieves.
Her headquarters are in the Spirit
Temple, which is at the end of the
desert.

They weren't leaderless.

Originally Posted by Eralk Fang

I think there's a good bit of evidence for Sheikah as Interlopers as well, although I seriously hesitate to use the eye on the back of the Fused Shadows, as, since it is not specifically the Sheikah eye, could simply be an Eye of Truth, a symbol widespread in Hyrule and beyond.

And yet you say that "snakes" apear throughout Twili culture, tieing them to the Gerudo, when this eye has more in similiarity with the Sheikahn eye then these "snakes" acutally do to cobras, which I believe is the more accurate term for the reptile featured in Gerudo culture. You can't have it both ways.

P.S. Deja Vu? lol

Originally Posted by Layke

And yet you say that "snakes" apear throughout Twili culture, tieing them to the Gerudo, when this eye has more in similiarity with the Sheikahn eye then these "snakes" acutally do to cobras, which I believe is the more accurate term for the reptile featured in Gerudo culture. You can't have it both ways.

P.S. Deja Vu? lol

Excuse me? I've always maintained that the Interlopers were a multiracial group- I personally see the two main cultures being Sheikah and Gerudo. In my discussions with you, I heavily argued the Gerudo point, as you already believed that some Sheikah were in the Interlopers. It's also obvious, as another race would be needed to help propagate a viable race, that it cannot be Gerudo alone. Unless I've developed amnesia, in which case I'd love to see past posts I apparently don't remember making.

And for anyone interested, yes, snakes or at least some cylindrical creatures are found on various Twili artifacts, including their Royal Crest. And the snake wrapped around the statue in the Arbiter's Grounds doesn't have a hood (at 1:45), making it not a cobra. True, cobras are also found in the Spirit Temple, but it appears to be snakes in general, not specifically cobras.

EDIT: Also, snakes are not found in the decor of every dungeon, regardless of culture. Eyes are, however, and usually reveal new passageways or items. The Eye of Truth is a widespread symbol. The Sheikah Eye is specifically the eye with the teardrop.

Also, snakes are not found in the decor of every dungeon, regardless of culture. Eyes are, however, and usually reveal new passageways or items. The Eye of Truth is a widespread symbol. The Sheikah Eye is specifically the eye with the teardrop.

I always thought the eye of truth was the sheikah eye?
Please explain why you think otherwise.

Originally Posted by WWLinkMasterX