The Minish Cap first in line?

So many of these timeline theories state TMC as first in the Zelda chronology, but how?
I'm almost certain that the game opens with mention of the master sword being used to beat some evil beast (in the pictures its clearly Ganon). So if Ganon has been beaten at least once by Link then how can TMC be first?
I may have missed some big detail mentioned in the game and if so tell but I don't think I have and can't see TMC being first in line.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gba...e/920670/39934

it never says anything about any of the other games, we know from TWW (if im correct) that gustav had the sword first and this seems to coincide with that

Although I'm not really into theorizing, I've heard several people talk about the actual possibility of this statement. I believe there are quite a few theorizers whom devised it is, so, some haven't.

That's all I've heard of it.

Ummmm, no...

You see the Master Sword has been niether featured nor mentioned in ANY four sword title that has yet come out. Leading many theorists like myself to believe that a majority, if not all, of the foursword titles come either before or long after the master sword canon.

It's almost impossible for ALL the foursword games to come after 'the master sword sleeps again, forever' mostly because their stories don't coincide one bit with the titles that are accepted as the 'last' in the timeline; LoZ, AoL, and the Oracles.

Another possibility hotly debated is that they come after tWW/PH in a newly emerging Hyrule where the Master Sword has long been forgotten.

And another is that the Four Sword is a sword that is introduced on the child side of the timeline sometime after TP. Eventually the question arises, however, what happened to the MS, and why was its use stopped without explanaition?

By the by, that sword in the opening scenes of TMC was the picouri blade, destined to be destroyed and reforged as the foursword.

Originally Posted by tlas

we know from TWW (if im correct) that gustav had the sword first and this seems to coincide with that

Gustaf has nothing to do with TWW.
Gustaf has nothing to do with anything besides TMC.
Therefore, Gustaf has nothing to do with the timeline.

OK, so maybe I was wrong about the sword (although the two look very similar) but still, I'm pretty sure the creature in the opening images looked ALOT like Ganon.

you mean this?

that's just a moblin

I think thats the one, and now I look at it I guess you're right, but still, they could've explained that "darkness" a little better, and made the picori blade a little more different looking to the master sword, but fair enough, I guess I was wrong, thank you all for clearing that one up for me

And why does Ganon have to look so much like an overgrown moblin anyway!

^I guess you're looking at it the opposite way... Ganon comes firts. he's a pig. Then come his minions. They look like their leader. Therefore, they're pigs.

This is, of course, the minds of the developer. Point being: They came up with Ganon first. Then they figured: Let's have his minions look like him. Like in every other game.

However, if Ganon is the king of all monsters, that could support that tMC doesn't come first. I'm not justifying this though.

In my opinion, TMC Link, and his predecessor, the Hero of Men, (not Gustav) fought a darkness that wasn't really tangible or fully developed. Some guy that looked like a Moblin as a boss of bad guys, and then Vaati, all used shadow and darkness as their viel, and gave rise to a power that had nothing to do with the triforce.

The Four sword saga had to be at a time when the triforce was unknown or forgotten, and for me, that time is most appropriate at the beginning, before OoT. Whether the developers changed their minds or not, that's what they originally said anyway.

Originally Posted by |Linebeck|

The Four sword saga had to be at a time when the triforce was unknown or forgotten, and for me, that time is most appropriate at the beginning, before OoT.

Except FSA must go right before ALttP.

That is completely your own opinion, and that is mostly thought because FSA was made by the same development team as AlttP and they ignored most of the Foursword motif. If you want to use bad storytelling as your evidence then I'll leave you to it, but don't use the word 'must' unless it's a fact.

Ummmm, no...

You see the Master Sword has been niether featured nor mentioned in ANY four sword title that has yet come out. Leading many theorists like myself to believe that a majority, if not all, of the foursword titles come either before or long after the master sword canon.

Or somewhere before ALttP.

Learn your facts.

The Four sword saga had to be at a time when the triforce was unknown or forgotten,

For god sakes there are damn posters/hangers in Hyrule Castle showing it!

As for the rest of the topic I used to belive that TMC came first (Untill today actually) but I took everything into consideration this time making my timeline now ...

OoT-TWW/PH
OoT/MM-TP-TMC-FS/FSA-LoZ/AoL-OoS/OoA-ALttP/LA

^Sounds like the timeline I prefer (unofficially). I was expecting you to teach Linebeck a lesson per ususal, but I won't mind doing it myself. Lineback, there will be some heavy FSA spoilers below, if you havn't played it.

That is completely your own opinion, and that is mostly thought because FSA was made by the same development team as AlttP and they ignored most of the Foursword motif. If you want to use bad storytelling as your evidence then I'll leave you to it, but don't use the word 'must' unless it's a fact.

Righty, remember how in FSA, Ganondorf got hold of the Trident of Power and becoming the blue Ganon? The same as in ALttP. Also, in FSA, Ganon is refered to as a "demon reborn", meaning there has to be a Ganondorf prior to FSA, which there wouldn't be if it came before OoT.

Other evidence include roughly the same map as ALttP, and also (and most important) the broken Four Sword (that Ganon was sealed inside in FSA) in some pyramid in an ALttP remake.

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

Also, in FSA, Ganon is refered to as a "demon reborn", meaning there has to be a Ganondorf prior to FSA, which there wouldn't be if it came before OoT.

Not so.

There just has to be a demon before FSA that Ganon can be a reincarnation of. The demon itself doesn't necessarily have to have anything to do with any Ganons we've seen.

That said, FSA is most likely right before ALttP, due to reasons regarding:

(1) The climate of its Hyrule being similar to ALttP's, which is in turn different from other titles';
(2) The Kakariko thieves vacating to the Lost Woods, where they remain in ALttP (direct storyline continuity);
(3) The presence of the maiden inheritance/tradition (FSA/ALttP), which postdated the sage tradition (OoT, TP, TWW)

Originally Posted by Pinecove

Or somewhere inbetween before ALttP.
Learn your facts.

That statement is retarded. Learn what facts? That you think FSA comes somewhere in between before AlttP? Are those the facts that I'm ignoring?

You can't have both Pinecove. Either you insist FS/FSA being stuck together becuase the four sword trilogy has to remain a trilogy and no games come between them, or you submit that FS and FSA have no storyline connection apart from Link and Vaati, and seperate the two and put FSA in front of AlttP.

10 posts =/= knowing nothing about timelines

For god sakes there are damn posters/hangers in Hyrule Castle showing it!

You completely ignored my point, most TMC-post-tWW theorists believe that ‘triumph forks’ was a mistranslation of Japanese made into a mistranslation of ancient hylian text actually meaning triforce, and that Hyrule forgot what the triforce was and started calling it the Triumph forks because they didn’t know what the triforce was or did.

And many of those who put TMC first assert that the triforce was in the sacred realm, but known among the Hylian royal family, because the beginning of OoT says the goddesses gifted the Hylians with knowledge of and charged them with protecting the triforce.

Thus saying “the FS saga occurred during a time when the triforce was unkown or forgotten” is not only totally appropriate, but the very fact that there are Triforces emblazoned on castles in a game where the triforce is not even mentioned means that I am right and you are dead wrong. Pinecove, learn your facts.

As for the rest of the topic I used to belive that TMC came first (Untill today actually) but I took everything into consideration this time making my timeline now ...

OoT-TWW/PH
OoT/MM-TP-TMC-FS/FSA-LoZ/AoL-OoS/OoA-ALttP/LA

Id be very interested to see how TP and TMC can possibly be connected. Hyrule looks like a fledgling kingdom surrounded by water in TMC, whereas it’s huge and ancient looking, and almost certainly land locked in TP.

The Gorons in TP go from an organized society allied with the Hylians to spread throughout the map living in caves, seperated from each other in TMC.

Where’d the random swamp come from? What happened to the picouri and where’d they come from? Where’s the picouri blade or Gustav in TP?

Why isn’t the Master Sword in TMC? They don’t even have a royal family, or a king in TP, just a princess, yet they have a set up royal lineage in TMC, why didn’t they mention that in TP?

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

^Sounds like the timeline I prefer (unofficially). I was expecting you to teach Linebeck a lesson per ususal, but I won't mind doing it myself.

That’s Linebeck, not Lineback. If you haven’t played PH then I guess that’s a spoiler for yourself.

Righty, remember how in FSA, Ganondorf got hold of the Trident of Power and becoming the blue Ganon? The same as in ALttP.

Being a demon reborn means that he could die and be reborn again. If he became totally evil and had a history before FSA, then that would make sense that no one would recognize him in OoT as Ganondorf.

The Trident would be the only place where I would agree with you. And FSA is THE ONLY game to make a story about the trident. If there was a story about it in AlttP or in LoZ, you'd have some concrete evidence.

Also, in FSA, Ganon is refered to as a "demon reborn", meaning there has to be a Ganondorf prior to FSA, which there wouldn't be if it came before OoT.

Oh heavens, why not? Why was he not the demon that wielded darkness that the Hero of Men slew? You already assume that we've heard every story about Ganon/dorf prior to OoT, and that is impossible.

Other evidence include roughly the same map as ALttP, and also (and most important) the broken Four Sword (that Ganon was sealed inside in FSA) in some pyramid in an ALttP remake.

You forgot the mirror of darkness/magic mirror/twilight mirror, and of course you forgot the moon pearls. At least try to make this challenging for me.

At the moment, all things considered, Aonuma said FS should be first, and that the Four sword saga was a trilogy and I think we should believe him, even if the AlttP team screwed up some of his plans by making a clon