The Triforce split, with the timeline split

Okay, I was prompted to post a thread on this because I'm not sure everyone understands how, where, and why the Triforce exists after the OoT timeline split, it will explain where each piece goes. Now granted, some of this has to do with future events in the timeline, and some of the events that happen, are interpretted differently by most everyone else, I'm not asuming my interpretation to be correct, or incorrect, just alternate to the one everyone believes.

Now, we'll start with the basic concept. All of the pieces of the triforce exist in both timelines. Obviously thats true, because there are all 3 pieces in both TWW and TP.

Now let me explain something else that I believe, in OoT all 3 pieces still existed in both the future and the past. Ganondorf having his in both, Zelda having hers in both.

Link having his in whichever time he was currently present in, and in the other time, his sleeping body, in either adult form, or child form (in the temple of light/chamber of sages) holding it, ready for him to return to that particular time. See, the body still exists in that Time, just sleeping, because Link is in the other time, and since Link is the bearer of the triforce of courage in both times, his sleeping body holds it.

So, Ganondorf grabs the triforce in OoT, and the pieces go to thier respective owners. Zelda, being whisked away by Impa, and Link taking a 7 year nap.

Now, here is where it gets complicated. We've already established that all 3 pieces exist while the times. Well, what happens to them when time splits?
Many people think that when Link is returned to his Child time for good that he is returned to before he first spoke with Zelda. I say this is not so. A few simple things suggest this,
1)he still has the triforce mark upon his hand
2)he ends in the temple of time, with the door open. What I'm saying is that Link still opened the door (or else how did it get opened?) and ganondorf still grabbed the triforce. (Or else how would Link have his piece?)

I think that the "outrageous act" that ganondorf commits that leads to his execution, (shown in TP) is the fact that he took the triforce. It wouldn't be hard for Link and Zelda to prove it to the king, seeing as how they both have triforce marks on the backs of thier hands, and the door of time was open.

So, the king sentences ganondorf to his execution (not without having to hunt G-dawg down first I'm sure) and then the events of the TP's execution cutscene take place.

But anyway, when Link and Zelda do this, Time splits. While Ganondorf and Zelda exist in both times to hold thier triforces, Link does not. He exists in the child timeline. In the adult timeline Link's adult body is sleeping, still holding the ToC in THAT time. When past events no longer line up with future events, the split occurs, and Links adult body was cut off from any consciousness (spelling?) it ever had. turning the body into a vegetable (a body with no mind) leading to the body's eventual death. The triforce, faced with such an abnormality splits into 8 pieces (Thus being prepared for TWW).


So, in the adult timeline, Zelda holds her ToW, Ganondorf holds his ToP (while imprisoned in the sacred realm), and the ToC split into 8 pieces and was scattered throughout Hyrule.

Now in the child timeline, Zelda has hers, and Link has his, and they probably do until thier death's. And when then happens either it passes to thier child, or it goes to the person who is most deserving of it. (Ganondorf has his in the twilight realm, and he obviously doesn't die, so there is no need for it to find a new bearer for it.)

This has long been a hard concept to explain, I believe that I have found a logical way to do so. I may be wrong, but it's the only even remotely logical explanation we have so far. So, am I right, or am I just kidding myself. (Or am I something else entirely?)

thats actually how i thought it would have happened myself, i was thinking about this the other night.... good read man

I think you go a little too far with the sleeping body thing(or at least parts of it), but otherwise...yeah, sounds like a fair explanation, except this one thing...

I've assumed that Ganondorf doesn't know he has the ToP. This would be supported by the way the execution scene in TP is shown. The sages are utterly surprised by Ganondorf's ToP, yet shouldn't they know about it if Link and Zelda told the king and all? Wouldn't Ganondorf be as good as impossible to catch in the first place? Or maybe he wasn't able to use the ToP for some odd reason?

That's a big post, and I'm feeling too lazy to read it all. Sorry.

I believe that everything that existed before the split (before or during OoT) exists in both timelines. That, of course, includes the Triforce. This is reasonable, yes?

Zelda divided by zero and messed everything up.

Or, to describe it without a meme, Zelda had no idea what she was doing at the end of OOT, resulting in one Hyrule to be utterly destroyed (WW) and another to have Link (TP). Because Link was carrying a piece of the Triforce with him when he was sent back, yet Hyrule needed the whole Triforce to exist in a relative balance for whatever reason, the ToC Link had was left in Hyrule and he was given the ToC from the past, resulting in the Triforce to be broken and seek out the two other worthy holders. While the Royal Family eventually learned that they possessed a piece of the Triforce, Ganondorf didn't notice until his execution (mainly because he probably didn't have as much time as them).

Originally Posted by grudge1981

thats actually how i thought it would have happened myself, i was thinking about this the other night.... good read man

Why Thank You

Originally Posted by Daphnes

That's a big post, and I'm feeling too lazy to read it all. Sorry.

I believe that everything that existed before the split (before or during OoT) exists in both timelines. That, of course, includes the Triforce. This is reasonable, yes?

Very reasonable, as that is the basis for my theory. It's okay that you're feeling lazy, but when you're feeling a little less lazy give it a read, I worked hard on it.

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

Zelda divided by zero and messed everything up.

Or, to describe it without a meme, Zelda had no idea what she was doing at the end of OOT, resulting in one Hyrule to be utterly destroyed (WW) and another to have Link (TP). Because Link was carrying a piece of the Triforce with him when he was sent back, yet Hyrule needed the whole Triforce to exist in a relative balance for whatever reason, the ToC Link had was left in Hyrule and he was given the ToC from the past, resulting in the Triforce to be broken and seek out the two other worthy holders. While the Royal Family eventually learned that they possessed a piece of the Triforce, Ganondorf didn't notice until his execution (mainly because he probably didn't have as much time as them).

Wait What?!?!?!?!?

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

I think you go a little too far with the sleeping body thing(or at least parts of it), but otherwise...yeah, sounds like a fair explanation, except this one thing...

I've assumed that Ganondorf doesn't know he has the ToP. This would be supported by the way the execution scene in TP is shown. The sages are utterly surprised by Ganondorf's ToP, yet shouldn't they know about it if Link and Zelda told the king and all? Wouldn't Ganondorf be as good as impossible to catch in the first place? Or maybe he wasn't able to use the ToP for some odd reason?

Perhaps my detail as to the whole veg-head thing was a little overboard, but what can I say, I think these things out

See, now I knew someone was going to bring that up Hombre, funny,
I had a feeling it would either be you, or Pinecove. But anyway, I already thought of an answer for this, and the "Disproving the Divine Prank" Thread (It's been awhile since it's been floating around) discusses this and supports me.

Now, in order to understand what exactly would have happened here, you have to understand how the triforce works.

There's a good chance I may be wrong on this, seeing as how I've never had control of a triforce piece. But if I'm not mistaken, niether have you. I think each piece of the triforce doesn't automaticaly bless you with divine power, in order to do that you would have to have the whole triforce.

Instead, it merely amplifies the bearer's "powers" through either power, wisdom, or courage. In Ganondorf's case, he already possesed shadow magic, and I'm guessing it amplified his magic. Now, granted it WOULD be almost nigh impossible to catch him anyway, but they did, in some way or another. And this may explain how it was even possible.

But anyway, let me compare this to something we can all comprehend. Just because Ganondorf had gotten the ToP doesn't mean he automatically knew the extent of his new power, or how to use it. Let's compare him to another person who was blessed with a "gift". (Granted G-dawgy-dawg's would be much more powerful, but it's the same concept.)

Most everybody has seen the first SpiderMan movie, so I'll use him. When Peter first gets his powers, at first he didn't even know he had them. And when he figures this out, he has no idea how to use them, so he experiments with them, and figures out how they work. Over the course of about 4-5 weeks, his powers have developed fully, and he has learned how to use them.


Now I'm guessing our pal Ganny was feeling MIGHTY jipped because he didn't get the whole triforce like he expected, and perhaps he didn't know he got anything at all. But assuming he did know, I'm pretty sure they caught him within that 4-5 week window. And the sages and his reaction were so surprised, because they had no idea that the triforce could/would do that (because Ganondorf hadn't finished testing it's limits). Not because they didn't know he had it, but because they didn't know the extent of his power, and they figured if they impaled him through the mid-section, not even the triforce could save him then.

P.S. Nice sig Hombre.

Originally Posted by That One Guy...

See, now I knew someone was going to bring that up Hombre, funny,
I had a feeling it would either be you, or Pinecove.

Heh, I'll take that as a compliment

Originally Posted by That One Guy...

There's a good chance I may be wrong on this, seeing as how I've never had control of a triforce piece. But if I'm not mistaken, niether have you.

What are you talking about? I got the whole triforce years ago.

Jokes aside, that spidey comparison really made sense. Yep, I believe you now.

Originally Posted by That One Guy...

P.S. Nice sig Hombre.

Thanks

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

Heh, I'll take that as a compliment

Yeah, it was kind of a hidden/unintended compliment wasn't it, lol.

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

What are you talking about? I got the whole triforce years ago.

Dude! Seriously! Dude, you are DEFINITELY invited to my birthday party, lol.

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

Jokes aside, that spidey comparison really made sense. Yep, I believe you now.

It made sense to me. I figured, hey lemme explain it like this, lol. AND IT WORKED! lol. I'm glad I got you to believe me.

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

Thanks

You're very welcome.

I believe that everything that existed before the split (before or during OoT) exists in both timelines. That, of course, includes the Triforce. This is reasonable, yes?

Yes.

See, now I knew someone was going to bring that up Hombre, funny,
I had a feeling it would either be you, or Pinecove.

Hey wait I'm here now.

Now then. What we have to know is that the split took place RIGHT after OoT.

All we have to know is where Link is retuned in time to.
Before he meets Zelda? That seems like the best time.

So then Zelda-Link=Ganondorf outrageos?

No. I belive that he couldn't of done this.

The OoT is in the AT not the child one so hense the DoT couldn't have been opened. Also we have to knoiw that the sages were surpised at the executoin.

My theory: Ganondorf was being a B****rd and hense he was going to be executed. Huray the Goddeses want entertainment and hence give the ToP to Ganondorf.

Originally Posted by Pinecove

Hey wait I'm here now.

Now then. What we have to know is that the split took place RIGHT after OoT.

All we have to know is where Link is retuned in time to.
Before he meets Zelda? That seems like the best time.

So then Zelda-Link=Ganondorf outrageos?

No. I belive that he couldn't of done this.

The OoT is in the AT not the child one so hense the DoT couldn't have been opened. Also we have to knoiw that the sages were surpised at the executoin.

My theory: Ganondorf was being a B****rd and hense he was going to be executed. Huray the Goddeses want entertainment and hence give the ToP to Ganondorf.

Did you even read my theory? Come on, really now. I already explained why the sages were surprised, AND how the door of time got open, because it was when Link was returned to the past, you can't ague that. Yes, it closed shortly thereafter, but that doesn't stop it from ever having been opened. And if Link walked out of there after he was sent back, then SOMEONE must have opened it, so therefore, since OoT was in the future as you say, then it must have still been open from when Link originally opened it. Not to mention I have a hard time believing seemingly benevolent godesses suddenly decide to go so typically greek.

Originally Posted by That One Guy...

Okay, I was prompted to post a thread on this because I'm not sure everyone understands how, where, and why the Triforce exists after the OoT timeline split, it will explain where each piece goes. Now granted, some of this has to do with future events in the timeline, and some of the events that happen, are interpretted differently by most everyone else, I'm not asuming my interpretation to be correct, or incorrect, just alternate to the one everyone believes.

Now, we'll start with the basic concept. All of the pieces of the triforce exist in both timelines. Obviously thats true, because there are all 3 pieces in both TWW and TP.

Now let me explain something else that I believe, in OoT all 3 pieces still existed in both the future and the past. Ganondorf having his in both, Zelda having hers in both.

Link having his in whichever time he was currently present in, and in the other time, his sleeping body, in either adult form, or child form (in the temple of light/chamber of sages) holding it, ready for him to return to that particular time. See, the body still exists in that Time, just sleeping, because Link is in the other time, and since Link is the bearer of the triforce of courage in both times, his sleeping body holds it.

So, Ganondorf grabs the triforce in OoT, and the pieces go to thier respective owners. Zelda, being whisked away by Impa, and Link taking a 7 year nap.

Now, here is where it gets complicated. We've already established that all 3 pieces exist while the times. Well, what happens to them when time splits?
Many people think that when Link is returned to his Child time for good that he is returned to before he first spoke with Zelda. I say this is not so. A few simple things suggest this,
1)he still has the triforce mark upon his hand
2)he ends in the temple of time, with the door open. What I'm saying is that Link still opened the door (or else how did it get opened?) and ganondorf still grabbed the triforce. (Or else how would Link have his piece?)

I think that the "outrageous act" that ganondorf commits that leads to his execution, (shown in TP) is the fact that he took the triforce. It wouldn't be hard for Link and Zelda to prove it to the king, seeing as how they both have triforce marks on the backs of thier hands, and the door of time was open.

So, the king sentences ganondorf to his execution (not without having to hunt G-dawg down first I'm sure) and then the events of the TP's execution cutscene take place.

But anyway, when Link and Zelda do this, Time splits. While Ganondorf and Zelda exist in both times to hold thier triforces, Link does not. He exists in the child timeline. In the adult timeline Link's adult body is sleeping, still holding the ToC in THAT time. When past events no longer line up with future events, the split occurs, and Links adult body was cut off from any consciousness (spelling?) it ever had. turning the body into a vegetable (a body with no mind) leading to the body's eventual death. The triforce, faced with such an abnormality splits into 8 pieces (Thus being prepared for TWW).


So, in the adult timeline, Zelda holds her ToW, Ganondorf holds his ToP (while imprisoned in the sacred realm), and the ToC split into 8 pieces and was scattered throughout Hyrule.

Now in the child timeline, Zelda has hers, and Link has his, and they probably do until thier death's. And when then happens either it passes to thier child, or it goes to the person who is most deserving of it. (Ganondorf has his in the twilight realm, and he obviously doesn't die, so there is no need for it to find a new bearer for it.)

This has long been a hard concept to explain, I believe that I have found a logical way to do so. I may be wrong, but it's the only even remotely logical explanation we have so far. So, am I right, or am I just kidding myself. (Or am I something else entirely?)

ok, i have a few problems with this

1. i think ganondorf is already locked away when link is returned to his youth. he goes back in time, but time has been altered because ganon isn't there. if he was sent back without defeating ganon, he would just have to repeat things all over again

2. once ganondorf touched the triforce, his wish for darkness came true, so link and zelda wouldn't be able to do anything about it, ganon would already be in control.

3. and if my memory serves me right, in WW, they say the hero split the ToC himself before he left hyrule, so i dont think it was caused by his death. in fact, i think he died a natural death. in the adult timeline, right after link beat ganon, no one knows what link does next, but he certainly doesn't die as a vegetable. and in the kid timeline, link searches for navi and goes into termina, but we don't know how he lives out the rest of his life.

i think link had the triforce as a part of him all of his life, it just wasn't revealed to him until ganondorf showed him. i think the hero is always born with the ToC.

interesting theory, but there are just a few points of conflict there

Originally Posted by shadow_link_08

1. i think ganondorf is already locked away when link is returned to his youth. he goes back in time, but time has been altered because ganon isn't there. if he was sent back without defeating ganon, he would just have to repeat things all over again

If Ganon was already locked away when Link returned to his child self, what exactly is Zelda looking through the window at after the ending credits to OoT? As far as we know, the only reason Zelda looks through that window is to spy on Ganondorf. Now I can't prove that she wouldn't look through it for another reason, but you can't prove that she would. This part is based on assumptions due to lack of knowledge, so just bear with me.

Also, when he was sent back, he would not need to defeat Ganon again because Zelda and Link warned the King, using their triforce pieces as proof, and Ganon was captured and set to be executed (hence the execution scene from TP).

Originally Posted by shadow_link_08

2. once ganondorf touched the triforce, his wish for darkness came true, so link and zelda wouldn't be able to do anything about it, ganon would already be in control.

Ganondorf's wish for darkness did not come true when he touched the triforce because as soon as he touched it, it split with each piece going to Ganondorf, Link, and Zelda. The reason the world was dark when Link awakened from his 7 year sleep was because with Link sleeping, and Zelda in hiding, there was no one to stop Ganondorf from using the ToP to do what he wanted. He didn't get his wish granted by the triforce, he made it happen himself.

Originally Posted by shadow_link_08

3. and if my memory serves me right, in WW, they say the hero split the ToC himself before he left hyrule, so i dont think it was caused by his death. in fact, i think he died a natural death. in the adult timeline, right after link beat ganon, no one knows what link does next, but he certainly doesn't die as a vegetable. and in the kid timeline, link searches for navi and goes into termina, but we don't know how he lives out the rest of his life.

Remember, what we see is part of a legend and legends passed down from generation to generation can become slightly altered. I'm not saying it did, but that could be the reason. Not to mention that if the triforce split by itself, but it was still held by Link's unconscious body, it may have been assumed, since no one knew exactly what happened, that Link himself split it. For all the people of Hyrule knew, Link had left the land forever and maybe assumed that the triforce was split by him before he left, when in reality he was sleeping in the sacred realm and the triforce split itself as there was no one around for it to transfer to.