Wash away Hyrule ... FOREVER!!!

I just want to say that before you start reading this thread it has not only heavy TWW spoilers but heavy PH spoilers aswell.

I'm not going to spoiler tag any though because this should give you warning enough in advance.

Now then ...

As we're all aware PH shows sighns of TMC to come after it. However answer me these questions then ...

1. WASH AWAY HYRULE FOREVER!!!

This is the quote found at the end of TWW. Why would the Kings request upon the damn GODS be refused.
Yes I'm wishing for Hyrule never to be revived ... wow it can be brought up from the depths along with the MS loged in Ganondorfs head etc.

2. Was it just a dream?

At the end of PH wish most of us should be familiar with by now the whole game was revealed to be a dream. (Kinda). The quest was to restore the ocean king to his true form in a different world. Linebeck at the end would have been pulled into the world aswell.

Now then. Answer me these two questions and I'll try to see sence.

Go.

1) Neither of the two times the word "forever" appears in the TWW script has anything to do with Daphnes's wish. He simply wished for "this ancient land of Hyrule" to be "washed away." He wanted to rebuild his kingdom, exactly as it was before. As he said, "I have lived bound to Hyrule." The washing away of the kingdom was the final destruction of the last remnants of his "kingdom of old." Now it is the children's turn to build their new land. It "will not be Hyrule"; that doesn't mean (1) that it will not be on the same ground Hyrule was on; (2) it will not be called Hyrule. It will simply not be Hyrule, just as any parts of the flooded New Orleans that are rebuilt will not be New Orleans.

2) The game was revealed to be a dream? Where did the monsters on the Ghost Ship go, then? Why is the Ghost Ship defunct? Why was it so important that Linebeck get his ship back? Where did he come from anyway (since he, by all rights, should have just been a part of the dream)? How did his old girlfriend get into the world of the Ocean King? And I could have sworn the Ocean King was referenced before either Tetra or Link ever did anything to remotely constitute being "in a dream".

No, all that happened was that they were returned to the past at the end of the game, and placed back at the fringe of the domain of the Ocean King. While it is somewhat reminiscent of LA, and there are jokes about it being just a nightmare, there are too many elements that suggest that it could not have been.

Well, for those of us who have yet to play the esteemed game in question, could you provide us with information, for or against the cause. I am unfortunately . . . what is the word . . . financially lacking these days, and have niether a DS nor Phantom Hourglass, although I would prefer some information so as I can adapt my timeline accordingly.

during the time link was gone with Ganon "sealed", ganon found a way to get out and destroyed Hyrule and flodded it to make the Great Sea you travel on in TWW.he did this so noone would know about the other Triforces, Zelda,The King, or Link.but the King became a ship, one of zelda's relatives escaped hyrule and gave birth to Tetra on the surface, and the story of the legendary hero of time was passed down through the years.so when link goes to Hyrule again and defeats Ganondorf there is a new Hero of Time and the "old Hyrule" is washed away leaving a "new Hyrule" for Link to protect.the finality of Hyrule is the sign of the washing of the old and the beginning of a new hyrule.

I was refering to PH and info in it that either relates/dis-relates to the FS saga coming after it.

1) Neither of the two times the word "forever" appears in the TWW script has anything to do with Daphnes's wish. He simply wished for "this ancient land of Hyrule" to be "washed away." He wanted to rebuild his kingdom, exactly as it was before. As he said, "I have lived bound to Hyrule." The washing away of the kingdom was the final destruction of the last remnants of his "kingdom of old." Now it is the children's turn to build their new land. It "will not be Hyrule"; that doesn't mean (1) that it will not be on the same ground Hyrule was on; (2) it will not be called Hyrule. It will simply not be Hyrule, just as any parts of the flooded New Orleans that are rebuilt will not be New Orleans.

Yes Lex so hyrule just magicly rose out of the sea. With the MS loged in Ganondorf and all?

"I have lived bound to hyrule" That quote right there proves that with his death comes the death of Hyrule.

And also yes the flooded remains of New orleans are still New orleans.

2) The game was revealed to be a dream? Where did the monsters on the Ghost Ship go, then? Why is the Ghost Ship defunct? Why was it so important that Linebeck get his ship back? Where did he come from anyway (since he, by all rights, should have just been a part of the dream)? How did his old girlfriend get into the world of the Ocean King? And I could have sworn the Ocean King was referenced before either Tetra or Link ever did anything to remotely constitute being "in a dream".

No, all that happened was that they were returned to the past at the end of the game, and placed back at the fringe of the domain of the Ocean King. While it is somewhat reminiscent of LA, and there are jokes about it being just a nightmare, there are too many elements that suggest that it could not have been.

You must now return to your own world.

Own world? What world are we in now then?

*Cough*

Originally Posted by Pinecove

Yes Lex so hyrule just magicly rose out of the sea. With the MS loged in Ganondorf and all?

"I have lived bound to hyrule" That quote right there proves that with his death comes the death of Hyrule.

The whole side-quest with the trees in TWW suggests that land will eventually dominate again. Whether it be Hyrule, or new land, burying the old Hyrule. Also the quote may referance only to the death of the kingdom of Hyrule, not the land of Hyrule.

Originally Posted by Pinecove

Yes Lex so hyrule just magicly rose out of the sea. With the MS loged in Ganondorf and all?

You'll note I never made any claims about what happens after in this thread; just what can happen without Daphnes wish being denied.

Originally Posted by Ganondorf

...the gods sealed Hyrule away?

And they left behind people who would
one day awaken Hyrule?!

Originally Posted by Deku Tree

Forests hold great power--they can change
one tiny island into a much larger island.
Soon, a day will come when all the islands
are one, connected by earth and grove.

And the people who live on that great
island will be able to join hands and,
together, create a better world.

Originally Posted by Tetra

We WILL find it!

The land that will be the next Hyrule!

First quote demands that Hyrule be awakened; second and third posit two possibilities as to how this might come about.

"I have lived bound to hyrule" That quote right there proves that with his death comes the death of Hyrule.

The death of his Hyrule, yes.

*Cough*

That's a rather vague quote. ;P

You'll note I never made any claims about what happens after in this thread; just what can happen without Daphnes wish being denied.

True but in doing so you're asuming that what I said happens.

Forests hold great power--they can change
one tiny island into a much larger island.
Soon, a day will come when all the islands
are one, connected by earth and grove.

And the people who live on that great
island will be able to join hands and,
together, create a better world.

okay.

1. That quote isn't even in the game. I've searched for it in many text dumps before.

2. I don't see Hyrule in TMC, FS , FSA or any other game (That comes after PH or TP in the current known timeline of coarse) that has a grand kingdom that could go off so far out of Hyrule (Half a year at sea) to reach the gorons in time for TMC.

We WILL find it!

The land that will be the next Hyrule!

Ah but child ... that land will not be Hyrule ... IT WILL BE YOUR LAND!!!

The death of his Hyrule, yes.

Yes HIS Hyrule which acording to your standerds rises out of the grerat sea with the MS and all.

That's a rather vague quote. ;P

Read the quote above it ...

Also if you belive that the Zora are Rito and the Zola evolve in to the Weird swamp fighters than ALttP can't be after PH because of the different forms of them.

Originally Posted by Pinecove

1. WASH AWAY HYRULE FOREVER!!!

This is the quote found at the end of TWW. Why would the Kings request upon the damn GODS be refused.
Yes I'm wishing for Hyrule never to be revived ... wow it can be brought up from the depths along with the MS loged in Ganondorfs head etc.

the actual quote is

Wash away this ancient
land of Hyrule!

Let a ray of hope shine
on the future of the world!!!

Nobody seems to believe it was brought up, just that the oceans eventually receded or something to that extent. A wish on the Triforce only goes as long as the person who made the wish lives, so when daphnes died, his wish became unimportant.

Also, one more thing. I'm sure people would appreciate it if you didn't treat people who disagreed with you like idiots.

wash away this ANCIENT land of Hyrule, like I said, refering to the kingdom not the land itself. I do however disagree that when someone who made the wish dies, thier wish becomes "unimportant" just because they're now dead, doesn't mean they never made the wish

Nobody seems to believe it was brought up, just that the oceans eventually receded or something to that extent. A wish on the Triforce only goes as long as the person who made the wish lives, so when daphnes died, his wish became unimportant.

Proof?

In ALttP when Link wishes upon the triforce does Hyrule fall into chaos when he dies? No.

And I'm sure if that were to happen Daphnes wouldn't have made that wish.

Also, one more thing. I'm sure people would appreciate it if you didn't treat people who disagreed with you like idiots.

Sorry. I have a sort of habbit of doing that without realizing it.

Originally Posted by Pinecove

Proof?

In ALttP when Link wishes upon the triforce does Hyrule fall into chaos when he dies? No.

I never said the opposite effect took place when the person died, only that the wish stopped being granted.

Originally Posted by Pinecove

That quote isn't even in the game. I've searched for it in many text dumps before.

Play the game. Immediately after destroying the ChuChus that attach themselves to the Deku Tree, talk to the Deku Tree. He'll permit you to ask him two questions (one of them being about the Koroks, I forget what the other is). One of these questions will prompt that quote as an answer.

This quote is most definitely on the ZeldaLegends Quote FAQ, where I get all my TWW quotes.

I don't see Hyrule in TMC, FS , FSA or any other game (That comes after PH or TP in the current known timeline of coarse) that has a grand kingdom that could go off so far out of Hyrule (Half a year at sea) to reach the gorons in time for TMC.

Gorons exist on the sea seen in TWW; why shouldn't they appear in the new kingdom established by the descendants of the Hylians (if one exists?)?

Ah but child ... that land will not be Hyrule ... IT WILL BE YOUR LAND!!!

It won't be Hyrule [Daphnes's kingdom]; it will their land.

Yes HIS Hyrule which acording to your standerds rises out of the grerat sea with the MS and all.

You'll notice, as I said before, that I refuse to take any particular stance about how a new kingdom comes about; simply that one does.

Also if you belive that the Zora are Rito and the Zola evolve in to the Weird swamp fighters than ALttP can't be after PH because of the different forms of them.

The Zora are heavily implied to still exist in PH, as you find a number of their scales throughout the course of the gameplay.

I never claimed all Zora evolved into Rito, either, and neither do the games. Clearly regular Zoras exist in Labrynna.

In ALttP when Link wishes upon the triforce does Hyrule fall into chaos when he dies? No.

It does if LoZ is after ALttP.

But, that aside, Daphnes's wish would not have been futile, even if the floodwaters will recede; the waters still would have washed away the ancient land.