Termina: does it have to be an alternate dimension?

I myself do not believe this to be true, but I do not see why it is not possible. For this to work, the 2D games must all go in the child timeline. Please, do not argue about that, but about why this theory would not work, even then.

We agree that MM occurs in the Child Timeline. However, many people seem to think that Termina is in the same world as Hyrule, just that it is a bit of a commute.

What none of those people even stopped to consider is the possibility that Termina is in Hyrule, but just not at that time? I theorize that Termina is actually in the ADULT Timeline, but in the far future of Wind Waker, out beyond PH. It would go with the theory that there was never a "New Hyrule": they called the new land something else. It would also explain all the Triforce crests that you can find scattered through MM as well. And the Gerudo Pirates would simply be a throw-back to the days of Flooded Hyrule.

The only serious objection I can see to this would be the Zora that you find in the game. They are salt-water however, and since this adaptation makes sense, perhaps it is what REALLY happened to them. The Rito are some other random tribe, and Medli was just a cross-breed, explaining why she looks more like a duck in her nose than the others.

Are there any other objections to this, other than those of Occam's Razor. I want in-game evidence, people! ;_; I do not want the theory to be true, just so you know. Prove me wrong.

If that would be true, OOT would have to happen after Wind Waker. It is obvious, that OOT is the first in the timeline and MM is the sequel.

Proof:
-the intro of MM reffers to the hero of time
-Epona returns from OOT
-Link from MM still has the ocarina of time from the previous game
-the happy mask salesman apppeared in both games
-the Skull kid recognizes Link as the child, who taught him Saria"s song at the end of MM

conclusion: I do not think, that MM is in the adult timeline

Note: What I was really trying to say was that Child Link traveled through space-time to go to the Adult Timeline's distant future set after WW. That is what you are arguing with. I do not make the claim that Link himself in MM is from the Adult Timeline, nor are the people, things and animals who go there with him.

I can't find anything really wrong with the theory, since it's so nebulous, but the big question is: What proof do you have? There really isn't any, save for the Triforce symbol being found in a few places.

On the other hand, the parallel dimension theory explains why so many things are so similar, while at the same time different. It would be very unlikely for this to be the case if it was simply the future.

Originally Posted by GDwarf

I can't find anything really wrong with the theory, since it's so nebulous, but the big question is: What proof do you have? There really isn't any, save for the Triforce symbol being found in a few places.

On the other hand, the parallel dimension theory explains why so many things are so similar, while at the same time different. It would be very unlikely for this to be the case if it was simply the future.

. . the similarities could be due to similar timelines and the recurrence of characters that Zelda is known for. Also note that similar things can be observed about certain characters in WW and TP: characters that remind you of each other, yet have different names and altered appearances. An example of timeline divergence.

. . yeah, this theory does not really help prove anything. It just weirds me out that this could be the case. Occam's Razor should kill it off. That, or Phantom Hourglass.

Originally Posted by HurriPen

Note: What I was really trying to say was that Child Link traveled through space-time to go to the Adult Timeline's distant future set after WW. That is what you are arguing with. I do not make the claim that Link himself in MM is from the Adult Timeline, nor are the people, things and animals who go there with him.

If you put it that way and ignore all non-ingame evidence... sure, why not? But if I was to put it that way, Termina could also be located on the moon in OoT. There isn't any evidence against it, right? The triforce emblems and whatnot are because of the Mask Man, he brought Hylian culture there... yeah.

So to answer your topic question, it could really be anything.

Honestly, it is in an alternate dimension.

The similarities with Hyrule can't be caused by it being the future because Nintendo calls the Wind Waker the last in the Zelda timeline and the land was called Hyrule there as well. I could be wrong though...

Originally Posted by Mariofan9

Nintendo calls the Wind Waker the last in the Zelda timeline and the land was called Hyrule there as well. I could be wrong though...

Phantom Hourglass is a direct sequal to Wind Waker. If they end up finding another land... I don't know. Also, there are timeline theories that supports the majority of the Zelda games after WW/PH

Originally Posted by HurriPen

. . the similarities could be due to similar timelines and the recurrence of characters that Zelda is known for.

MM reuses far more characters then any other Zelda game. Even OoA/OoS didn't use as many.

Thats mostly because MM was made during the death-throes of the N64 console, and they couldn't spare much time to develop new character models (so, mostly, they just improved what they had on-hand).

OoA and OoS had a considerably larger development window, and they were developing two-dimensional sprites, which took far less time to create than MM's three-dimensional models.

Therefore, the re-use of models does not prove that Terminia is in a parallel dimension (although Terminia being in a parallel dimension would explain the character redundancies, lore-wise). Personally, I don't think that Terminia necessarily has to be in a parallel dimension or not; I'm open to either argument, as they are both equally valid. However, much as the Timeline debates of yesteryear, the issue will never be definitively resolved unless the answer comes directly from Epona's mouth--that is to say, the developers.

As for HurriPen's theory, well...I hate to say it, but it is definitively proven that MM is in the Child Timeline. We know that the MM link is OoT link (both the game and the manual explicitly say so), and the fact that Link is a still a child indicates the placement in the Child Timeline. It's not as if it is a bad theory, but it is an incorrect one.

Originally Posted by vIsitor

As for HurriPen's theory, well...I hate to say it, but it is definitively proven that MM is in the Child Timeline. We know that the MM link is OoT link (both the game and the manual explicitly say so), and the fact that Link is a still a child indicates the placement in the Child Timeline. It's not as if it is a bad theory, but it is an incorrect one.

. . . the theory is well aware of that. I already explained it to someone else. This is definitely Child Link, but he is time-traveling (in a sense) to the Adult Timeline! According to the theory, he went to the alternate future. That is all I am saying. I am not attempting to claim that this Link is from that future: just that he went there. 9_9

THERE IS NO ALTERNET DEMENSION just because the chacters look the same doesn't mean a thing nintendo was lazy and decied not to make every single person diferernt

Originally Posted by Majora's Mask Manual

Welcome to Termina
This is a kind of parallel world that is similar to and yet different from the land of Hyrule

Originally Posted by rajin95

THERE IS NO ALTERNET DEMENSION just because the chacters look the same doesn't mean a thing nintendo was lazy and decied not to make every single person diferernt

Nintendo wasn't being lazy. They were trying to finish the game in a short amount of time (one to two years). They just didn't have the time to make new character models.

I was going to say that they didn't have much time but I didn't know how much