NO SPLIT TIMELINE!

Yeah, yeah i know Aounuma confirmed it. He is a great man, but he has confirmed a lot of things and changed his mind later on so lets not mention him on this thread please.
So, down to business.
When Link defeated Ganon, and then returned, there is actually NO evidence of a split in the timeline.Firstly, i believe that when Link and co sealed him away, he was sealed for all time.This is why Zelda was back at the castle, alive and well.The reason for her shocked expression is because she is glad to see Link return.She knows the legend came true.Come on, do you really believe Link went back in time to before he met Zelda? Do you actually believe The King would believe a boy who says he has travelled through time?NO, of course he wouldnt.
Link and Zelda are reincarnated through the games.
In Twilight Princess, which is supposedly in the child timeline, you may ask:Why did Ganon not know Link?
Maybe he assumed it was a different person altogether or maybe Ganon's memory was lost while trapped in The Sacred Realm.
But then how did he remember Link in Wind Waker? Either he recovered his memory OR because he was killed, not sealed in Twilight Princess, he could remember.He is reincarnated, but Twilight Princess Ganon could be Ocarina Of Time Ganon because OOT Ganon NEVER died, he was sealed away.So he loses his memory after countless years in The Sacred Realm, escapes, is caught by The Sages, sentenced to execution, is sealed inside The Twilight Realm, he escapes, is killed by a boy who he no longer has memory of, (Link)
and is then reincarnated.WITH the memory of TP.Then Wind Waker happens.
That is my view.Prove me wrong if you believe in The Split Timeline.

Originally Posted by Jordan16

Yeah, yeah i know Aounuma confirmed it. He is a great man, but he has confirmed a lot of things and changed his mind later on so lets not mention him on this thread please.

Will do, sir!

Originally Posted by Jordan16

King would believe a boy who says he has travelled through time?NO, of course he wouldnt.

Yes he would, because this boy has the triforce of Courage on his hand.

Originally Posted by Jordan16

In Twilight Princess, which is supposedly in the child timeline, you may ask:Why did Ganon not know Link?
Maybe he assumed it was a different person altogether or maybe Ganon's memory was lost while trapped in The Sacred Realm.

he doesn't recognize the Master Sword either.

And this is far more important: In TP, the sages say Ganondorf tried to reach the sacred realm, to gain control of the Triforce, but he was stopped and brought to justice. This couldn't have happened if he was sealed in SR in OoT because: Then he would already have the Triforce of Power, and with the other pieces being with Link and Zelda, Ganondorf had no business whatsoever in the SR. This also can't refer to the time in OoT when he actually reached the SR and took the Triforce (when Link fell asleep), because he wasn't executed.

Originally Posted by Jordan16

But then how did he remember Link in Wind Waker? Either he recovered his memory OR because he was killed, not sealed in Twilight Princess, he could remember.He is reincarnated, but Twilight Princess Ganon could be Ocarina Of Time Ganon because OOT Ganon NEVER died, he was sealed away.

I don't really see the point here... Wind Waker clearly states that Ganondorf broke free from his seal, he was never killed prior to Wind Waker. The Master Sword acted as a key to Ganondorf's seal in Wind Waker, but in TP, there is no seal whatsoever. So it doesn't work.

Originally Posted by Jordan16

Prove me wrong if you believe in The Split Timeline.

Done and done.

Do you actually believe The King would believe a boy who says he has travelled through time?NO, of course he wouldnt.

Ganondorf got executed because he was an @$$*ole. Not because of Zelda's word.

^ However, Ganodorf was reknowned as a thief, but in OoT, he was the king's loyal ally (or something). So the king probably banished him at first, then Ganny went on thieving and such, and then he did the whole Sacred Realm/Execution thingy.

Hombre de Mundo has pretty much covered this, I just want to say this is getting really repetative now. This is exactly why we need that sticky thread mentioned earlier to cover these topics. TP made it pretty obvious that the timeline has split, but people still insist on a linear timeline, which now, quite frankly, doesn't work.

If people just cannot grasp the mechanics of the Zelda timeline, why theorize at all?

What does it matter about petty arguing over time lines? sit back an enjoy the game, If it has been proven that there is a split timeline, then okay, whatever!

this is why i steer clear of the theorizing and timeline forum...Just play Zelda, and stick to whatever timeline you think is correct, I am done, I will now take a cold shower

^ You don't have to be here if you don't want to, but if Jordan 16, myself, and other find it interesting, then we will

Everyone's a winner

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

^ You don't have to be here if you don't want to, but if Jordan 16, myself, and other find it interesting, then we will

Everyone's a winner

yeah, I'm not judging anyone for theoriziong, but I myself am not a big fan of timelines, Theorys are good, but I dispise timelines :glare

Majoras mask theorys in particular are extreamly interesting

As much as I would love for linearism to return, I also like the idea of putting all games except MM and TP into the adult timeline. That way, a new and better timeline in the child section can hopefully form from future games.

That's my new hope. With effort, Aounoma can make a consistant child timeline with few holes, while leaving old games in the adult timeline and forgetting about the inconsistencies within. Connecting TWW to FS or ALttP, ignoring the presence of Kotate and Koume in the Oracles, and guessing the time period that the Seal War happens (probably between FSA and ALttP)

I hope that PH will connect TWW to either TMC or FS to finalize the placement of the FS arc, since there's good evidence of ALttP coming after FSA.

The split can work to our advantage, if you and other loyal linearists will just hang in there for a while. Have hope.

Originally Posted by Daphnes

As much as I would love for linearism to return, I also like the idea of putting all games except MM and TP into the adult timeline. That way, a new and better timeline in the child section can hopefully form from future games.

That's my new hope. With effort, Aounoma can make a consistant child timeline with few holes, while leaving old games in the adult timeline and forgetting about the inconsistencies within. Connecting TWW to FS or ALttP, ignoring the presence of Kotate and Koume in the Oracles, and guessing the time period that the Seal War happens (probably between FSA and ALttP)

I hope that PH will connect TWW to either TMC or FS to finalize the placement of the FS arc, since there's good evidence of ALttP coming after FSA.

The split can work to our advantage, if you and other loyal linearists will just hang in there for a while. Have hope.

Wouldn't it be just as easy to put all games except TWW and PH in the Child Timeline? I was under the impression that TP was attempting to bridge a gap between OoT and ALttP, what with the explanation of the Sacred Grove being the ruins of the ToT and the Sages sealing Ganondorf away in a Dark Realm after he apparently gained access to the Triforce with a band of thieves.

TWW felt like an attempt to break away from the old games, what with King Daphnes telling Link and Zelda that the land they find will not be Hyrule, and they will not be bound to the past the way he and Ganondorf were.

OMG... what if Aonouma intends never to bring Ganondorf back from death in the Adult Timeline?

Originally Posted by Evilsbane

Wouldn't it be just as easy to put all games except TWW and PH in the Child Timeline? I was under the impression that TP was attempting to bridge a gap between OoT and ALttP, what with the explanation of the Sacred Grove being the ruins of the ToT and the Sages sealing Ganondorf away in a Dark Realm after he apparently gained access to the Triforce with a band of thieves.

How can there be a legend of a great hero if Link went into the past and reversed all of that. I'd rather put TWW and PH in Adult than just say that OoT Link became a legend simply by word of mouth.

Link told Zelda what she did, she told her father, and he told the people. It's possible, but not as likely.

Ganondorf was sealed in the Twilight Realm, escaped, then killed by Link.

Where to put the other games is not as important anyway, as long as we agree that Aounoma may want start a seperate timeline with MM and TP, which can be more consistant. That's my hope, and whether or not you want to put most games in Adult or Child is up to you.

Originally Posted by Daphnes

How can there be a legend of a great hero if Link went into the past and reversed all of that.

We don't know the details of how he was legendary but he was.

In the land of Hyrule, there echoes a legend.
A legend held dearly by the Royal Family that tells of a boy...

A boy who, after battling evil and saving Hyrule,
crept away from that land that had made him a legend...

They had to have known of the hero of time's abilities to travel through time, thus making it easier to accept.

Originally Posted by Daphnes

How can there be a legend of a great hero if Link went into the past and reversed all of that. I'd rather put TWW and PH in Adult than just say that OoT Link became a legend simply by word of mouth.

Link told Zelda what she did, she told her father, and he told the people. It's possible, but not as likely.

Ganondorf was sealed in the Twilight Realm, escaped, then killed by Link.

Where to put the other games is not as important anyway, as long as we agree that Aounoma may want start a seperate timeline with MM and TP, which can be more consistant. That's my hope, and whether or not you want to put most games in Adult or Child is up to you.

But TP is already confirmed to be in the Child Timeline, and it already has legends about the Ancient Hero. So I'm not sure what your point is. Maybe we're getting our wires crossed? I'm saying that the Adult Timeline, containing TWW and PH, is a new beginning for the Zelda series, and that as well as MM and TP occuring in the Child Timeline, all the other games do too, in whatever order makes sense.

Originally Posted by Evilsbane

But TP is already confirmed to be in the Child Timeline, and it already has legends about the Ancient Hero. So I'm not sure what your point is. Maybe we're getting our wires crossed? I'm saying that the Adult Timeline, containing TWW and PH, is a new beginning for the Zelda series, and that as well as MM and TP occuring in the Child Timeline, all the other games do too, in whatever order makes sense.

What I'm trying to say is that the general idea is to start over in a way. Whether you want to put the older games after TWW and PH, or MM and TP, is up to you.

I was originally just trying to explain why the split may be a good thing.

Originally Posted by Daphnes

What I'm trying to say is that the general idea is to start over in a way. Whether you want to put the older games after TWW and PH, or MM and TP, is up to you.

I was originally just trying to explain why the split may be a good thing.

Oh right. Well, I agree.