Triforces

Originally Posted by Inuyasha Tashio

I would like to say that Zelda is extremly cliched. Even if the Ganondorf is always the same, how is it, that Link's descendants are always the most couragous, and Zelda's with the most wisdom?

What do you think? Courage and wisdom cannot be inheirited through the blood, so therefore, I think they are always the inheiritors through the process of reincaranation.

What do you think?

P.S For those who don't know, reincarnation is different beings with the same soul. The person whom the soul is reborn in is the reincarnation.

Well, that IS an interesting tought. Could be possible but I do have doubts cause maybe they did get them themselves

Well, I think we all know that the Courage power has always been reincarnated because it never the same Link. Wisdom on the other hand, I don't think its reincarnated.

That's just my theory though.

I see it possible that there are genes that makes you more or less courageous or wise. But yeah, the reincarnation thing works fine too. Does it matter? Maybe.

Corage passes down to the boy who must have the courage to go on a quest.

Widom to the Girl who has wisdom of what's going on in the kingdom.

Originally Posted by Pinecove

Corage passes down to the boy who must have the courage to go on a quest.

Widom to the Girl who has wisdom of what's going on in the kingdom.

Yes, but that's the point. Those people are always the descendants of Link/Zelda.

Originally Posted by Raistlin

Yes, but that's the point. Those people are always the descendants of Link/Zelda.

No. There is no evidence stating that all the Links are related.

Originally Posted by nokotin

No. There is no evidence stating that all the Links are related.

How come they always have the same name, look the same, act the same?

I always consider it to be a divine influence thing. The powers that be are making sure that there is always someone to inherit each piece of the Triforce, with Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf being the paradigm for those who are supposed to recieve the pieces.

Originally Posted by Twilight W-K

I always consider it to be a divine influence thing. The powers that be are making sure that there is always someone to inherit each piece of the Triforce, with Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf being the paradigm for those who are supposed to recieve the pieces.

Yes, that is the idea of reincarnation.
I'm suggesting that Link is the very Spirit of Courage. And is sent into a body as needed, to stop whatever threat there is.

Originally Posted by Raistlin

Yes, that is the idea of reincarnation.
I'm suggesting that Link is the very Spirit of Courage. And is sent into a body as needed, to stop whatever threat there is.

No, it is not. Reincarnation cannot explain the similar bodies. There are different heroes, but they all end up resembling the "Hero of Hyrule named Link" paradigm.

There is also evidence that there are Links that are not related to each other through blood. WW shows us a Link that, while he may be related to the Knights of Hyrule like ALttP specifies, he is not a direct descendant of Link, who disappeared into the child timeline.

The idea that you can take the Triforce with you when you leave the world behind you is a somewhat interesting idea, however. This could help unravel the mystery of where the ToP went when Ganondorf [evidently] died in TP.

Can I just point out that it's not always the case that Ganon has the Triforce of Power, Zelda the Trifroce of Wisdom, and Link the Triforce of Courage.

NES LOZ: Link collected the pieces of the Triforce of Wisdom to fight Ganon.
NES AOL: Link already had the other 2 pieces before collecting the Triforce of Courage.
ALTTP: Neither Link, nor Zelda are confirmed to have held any piece of Triforce (though I don't rule out the possibility).

So as you can see, although there has been certain trends in who owns which Triforce, it's not always the case. So Zelda doesn't always get Wisdom, Link doesn't always get Courage, and so on.

Originally Posted by mohammedali

ALTTP: Neither Link, nor Zelda are confirmed to have held any piece of Triforce (though I don't rule out the possibility).

i do
AS the triforce was whole when Ganon got it, and stayed whole.

Originally Posted by mohammedali

Can I just point out that it's not always the case that Ganon has the Triforce of Power, Zelda the Trifroce of Wisdom, and Link the Triforce of Courage.

NES LOZ: Link collected the pieces of the Triforce of Wisdom to fight Ganon.
NES AOL: Link already had the other 2 pieces before collecting the Triforce of Courage.
ALTTP: Neither Link, nor Zelda are confirmed to have held any piece of Triforce (though I don't rule out the possibility).

So as you can see, although there has been certain trends in who owns which Triforce, it's not always the case. So Zelda doesn't always get Wisdom, Link doesn't always get Courage, and so on.

Note, though, that in AoL your goal is collecting the Triforce of Courage, and both Zelda and Ganon are incapacitated (either sleeping or...dead) and can therefore not carry the other parts.

Also note that in LTTP (as Hyrules-Hero says above) Ganon has the entire Triforce with him in the Pyramid, so Link and Zelda can't have their parts in that game, and Ganon only had possession of the Triforce, it wasn't "inside" him like in many games.

I think Link always gets the Triforce of Courage because that's how it's supposed to be. He is Link, the Hero. Courage is his destiny. I'm not sure if he is "reincarnated" but there seems to be some kind of "spirit" that is passed down from Link to Link, despite not being related. It's probably similar with Zelda. Ganon of course is always the same Ganon, so he is always after Power.

If you're going to be Queen of land you sure need to be wise. Through ages of education, simply all Zeldas, become wise. Courage? Why, they have guards. Power? They already have it guaranteed lol.
Ganondorf is wise, and propably courageous, but over these two things, he most of all wants POWER. Wisdom and courage are just tools to get power, which is his main objective
Link... well, he isn't too wise, is he Being trained as swordsman/wrangler/whatever he just gets courageous. He just... doesn't want power. But is courageous, which he proves in all parts.

Sooooo..... trying to standardize what happens to you when you touch the triforce, who the triforce goes to when you die, and the general rules for trading pieces, swapping pieces, wishing on pieces, etc.

From OoT

1 We know that there was a prophecy about the triforce being split.

2 We know that Ganon touched the triforce

3 We know that Link and Zelda got their respective parts because Ganon touched it and had an imbalanced heart

From tWW

1 We know that the royal family has been handing down the ToW for generations.

2 We know that even though Ganon died, he still kept the ToP

3 We have no evidence that any other Link or Zelda kept andy triforce piece when they passed on.

4 We know that to have the mark on your hand is the same thing as having a pieced of the triforce.

5 We know that when Link left Hyrule, the ToC was split into 8 pieces and scattered throughout Hyrule

6 We know Link was not a member of the royal family, was not related by blood, and was not a knight of hyrule, since he went throughout hyrule defeating knights and taking their knights crests. The only logical explanation was that he was not a knight by blood, but could eventually be knighted by deed.

7 We know that tWW Link was not born with the triforce piece, it was in chests at the bottom of the ocean. And to earn the 'spirit of courage' he had to collect the pieces and unlock the power of the master sword. And ergo, we know that the ToC in and of itself has nothing to do with the riencarnation of the hero's spirit in a new generation.

8 We have never seen any but Ganon keep a triforce piece in death, and since he was the one of imbalanced heart, the explaination makes sense. The unholy power kept his spirit locked away, and gave him the ability to be revived. We have seen the triforce be passed on from one generation from another, and it is always by removing the triforce from yourself and handing it over to the new holder.

9 There are a few occasions where the triforce floats up to the heavens, the idea being that it returns to the sacred realm. This always happens when the triforce is whole, and evil has been defeated and/or someone makes a wish upon it.

From AoL

1 We know that Link did not recieve the mark until his 16th birthday, and he was put in a situation where the power of the triforce piece was needed, which is consistent with OoT.

2 We already know what piece of the Triforce Link possesed, or we know which of the two he could have possesed, the ToW or the ToP, since one he collected and brought back together, and one he stole from Ganon in LoZ.

3 We know why Link had the piece on his hand, and was not holding it, because a King wished for the triforce to split, and it was split, and then he hid the ToC away from evil, for the chosen hero of the future to find.

from AlttP

1 Right at the beginning of this game, Ganon already has Power, and then he touches the triforce again, or gathers the other two pieces, which are in the sacred realm again.

2 we can theorize from this, from what we know of the triforce

that 1 he killed the two chosen who had been given the triforce (unlikely)

or that 2 the two that had it died either without knowing the value of their respected pieces of triforce, or they died or were killed without having a chance to pass it on to someone.

3 We can safely assume that without someone to bare the pieces of triforce, the pieces would return to the sacred realm, their rightfull resting place.


So, like I said, there are a lot of variables, but every game that uses the triforce sticks to the same rules. and among those rules, the fact of reincarnation, because of the triforce at least, is impossible.

I mostly agree with this, except for the comment that the mark is equivalent to holding the Triforce piece. It is not true for AoL, and I am not sure what could lead one to believe that the mark alone shows anything. A glowing mark is, though.

Originally Posted by HurriPen

No, it is not. Reincarnation cannot explain the similar bodies. There are different heroes, but they all end up resembling the "Hero of Hyrule named Link" paradigm.

There is also evidence that there are Links that are not related to each other through blood. WW shows us a Link that, while he may be related to the Knights of Hyrule like ALttP specifies, he is not a direct descendant of Link, who disappeared into the child timeline.

The idea that you can take the Triforce with you when you leave the world behind you is a somewhat interesting idea, however. This could help unravel the mystery of where the ToP went when Ganondorf [evidently] died in TP.

Now I am curious: do we have any known examples of where it's stated any Link's are directly related by blood? If I recall right, it was said ALTTP Link is the ancestor of LoZ/AoL Link, but LoZ Link does not possess the ToC initially, and ALTTP Link had all three at the end of his game.
I guess what I am trying to say: Is the ToC passed by blood like the ToW ?
( WW had it as an actual physical object within the royal family )
TP Link is the only one who could be possibly related to the Hero of Time, ( first holder of the ToC ) and it's hinted the Hero's Spirit could be OoT Link, but the game seems to emphasize them being similar first by spirit (" for those who have the spirit of the sublime beast " ), as well as Link is referred to as "chosen" by the Light Spirits. As in a special appointment, not automatic.