TMC AFTER the Oracles?

This is the current UWM Timeline, with the Oracle placements.

OoT-TWW/PH-TMC-FS/FSA-ALTTP/LA-OoS/OoA-LoZ/AoL

The Oracles are placed after Minish Cap. But after recently playing Minish Cap, I found some rather interesting info. In the figurine collecting game, it says some rather interesting info about Din and Nayru.

Originally Posted by Din Figurine

She's looking for a house in Hyrule to move into. She is a famous dancer from the land of Holodrum.

Originally Posted by Nayru Figurine

She's looking for a house in Hyrule to move into. She is descended from a line of oracles in the land of Labrynna.

This must be a hint that possibly TMC comes after the Oracle games. If Din and Nayru have come to Hyrule for a house, they must want to settle down, ahe hence have come FROM Holodrum and Labrynna. Also, I would trust that Carlov guy, since he also made a figurine about the Minish Vaati, of whom he couldn't have known if he wasn't very world wise.

So, what do you all think?

Personally, I place them directly after the entire Four Swords Saga. I don't think the Din, Nayru, and Farore we see in the game are the same ones we see in Oracles. Nayru's even states she comes from a line of oracles; they could easily be their descendants or ancestors.

Wow... is that really what the figurines say?
Thanks for brining this to my attention.
Then I suppose it must come after the oracle games.... or at least provide a lot more in-game evidence for its placement.

Originally Posted by Eralk Fang

Personally, I place them directly after the entire Four Swords Saga. I don't think the Din, Nayru, and Farore we see in the game are the same ones we see in Oracles. Nayru's even states she comes from a line of oracles; they could easily be their descendants or ancestors.

It doesn't say it for Din though does it. As far as we know, she's the first and only dancer from that land. So, it's logical since they are the same age that Nayru was decended from a line of Oracles in that game anyway.

Originally Posted by Mayor Adam West

It doesn't say it for Din though does it. As far as we know, she's the first and only dancer from that land. So, it's logical since they are the same age that Nayru was decended from a line of Oracles in that game anyway.

As Din is part of a larger troupe that has probably needed dancers since its beginning, I'm sure there were other dancers. As she is an Oracle as well, she may be a part of a line of Oracles; since this one only mentions her as a dancer, perhaps this Din isn't even an Oracle.

Originally Posted by Eralk Fang

As Din is part of a larger troupe that has probably needed dancers since its beginning, I'm sure there were other dancers. As she is an Oracle as well, she may be a part of a line of Oracles; since this one only mentions her as a dancer, perhaps this Din isn't even an Oracle.

That's a lot of assumption though. It could be correct, but it's too much assumption for my liking.

I previously had the Oracles series before The Minish Cap on my timeline; I changed it based on some crest evidence I unearthed (image thanks to Hyrules-Hero). The Four Swords (and presumably Four Swords Adventure) crest is so similar to the Oracles crest that they must be related. Since the Four Swords saga is tied to each other, Oracles must come after.

Then I suppose it must come after the oracle games.... or at least provide a lot more in-game evidence for its placement.

No CM it doesn't. It says also on the figurine that "She's decended from a LINE OF ORACLES in Holundrum so I dissagree with this theory.

Originally Posted by Pinecove

No CM it doesn't. It says also on the figurine that "She's decended from a LINE OF ORACLES in Holundrum so I dissagree with this theory.

Yes there are three oracles. Therefore three lines.
Each one manages to have a daughter and that keeps the bloodline going. Then each oracle goes to Hyrule to look for a house.
You can look at this however you want but the evidence is plainly obvious for those who will care to take a look. It is a direct reference to the oracle games having already happened.

Yes there are three oracles. Therefore three lines.
Each one manages to have a daughter and that keeps the bloodline going. Then each oracle goes to Hyrule to look for a house.
You can look at this however you want but the evidence is plainly obvious for those who will care to take a look. It is a direct reference to the oracle games having already happened.

A LINE not 3 lines. Who says that the line can't keep going.

Back in the day when you were CM not the black knight I thought that your timeline way great. Now it's just silly. If you tink TMC first and the oracles before them your timeline ends up like this.

OoS/OoA-TMC-FS/FSA-OoT... AoL has to come before the oracles. If not then how is Ganon revived.

Have it your way ...

LoZ/AoL-OoS/OoA-TMC-FS/FSA-OoT = impossible because of geography and other such things.

Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Yes there are three oracles. Therefore three lines.
Each one manages to have a daughter and that keeps the bloodline going. Then each oracle goes to Hyrule to look for a house.
You can look at this however you want but the evidence is plainly obvious for those who will care to take a look. It is a direct reference to the oracle games having already happened.

No, it's a direct reference to there being a line of Oracles. It doesn't come anywhere close to saying where along this line it places itself, or whether OoX is before it in this line or after.

No, it's a direct reference to there being a line of Oracles. It doesn't come anywhere close to saying where along this line it places itself, or whether OoX is before it in this line or after.

Exactly.

I've been theorizing before I joined this forum. Trying to figure out everything with the evidance I have. I thought of this once ... but the thing that over powers it ... THE TRIDENT (Just had to egsaturate).

The TrioP which is stolen in FSA looks the exact same Trident in OoX.

Originally Posted by Pinecove

A LINE not 3 lines. Who says that the line can't keep going.

Did I say it stopped?

Originally Posted by Pinecove

Back in the day when you were CM not the black knight I thought that your timeline way great. Now it's just silly. If you tink TMC first and the oracles before them your timeline ends up like this.

OoS/OoA-TMC-FS/FSA-OoT... AoL has to come before the oracles. If not then how is Ganon revived.

Have it your way ...

LoZ/AoL-OoS/OoA-TMC-FS/FSA-OoT = impossible because of geography and other such things.

I am no longer in the timeline business.
I'm all for theories and collecting every piece of evidence.
To make any timeline, one must neglect some things.

Of course I don't believe that the oracles come before OoT because of a multitude of things and that is why I never said that that is how my timeline went. lol Oh Pinecove, how ironic that I never really liked you and your absolutes.

If indeed tMC takes place on an island, which is what you are all proposing, then How can there be a reference to Holodrum and Labryanna when they are all attached to Hyrule. Princess Zelda was able to travel to both places alone... and she couldn't sail alone so then tMC Hyrule must be directly adjacent to both Holodrum and Labryanna.... oh but I thought you all said it was an island.... seems awfully small in your eyes to have so many places... in this case it must be referencing a time when Hyrule, Labryanna and Holodrum were all connected... before the flood no?

If indeed tMC takes place on an island, which is what you are all proposing, then How can there be a reference to Holodrum and Labryanna when they are all attached. Princess Zelda was able to travel to both places alone... and she couldn't sail alone so then tMC Hyrule must be directly adjacent to both Holodrum and Labryanna.... oh but I thought you all said it was an island.... seems awfully small in your eyes to have so many places... in this case it must be referencing a time when Hyrule, Labryanna and Holodrum were all connected... before the flood no?

If you looked at the timeline in my sig You'de see that I place the majority of my games after TP.

Idiot CM. you and you're "I'm so special that I'm going to roleplay" things.

So you're now lost on a timeline ... figures. I should have known that you're not in the timeline buisness anymore.

So then how does your timeline go then if you actually have one?


I give up CM. I looked to you as a friend on ZU. Now all I see is a stupid user with a name from a fire emblem game that I own.

Originally Posted by The Black Knight

If indeed tMC takes place on an island, which is what you are all proposing, then How can there be a reference to Holodrum and Labryanna when they are all attached to Hyrule. Princess Zelda was able to travel to both places alone... and she couldn't sail alone so then tMC Hyrule must be directly adjacent to both Holodrum and Labryanna.... oh but I thought you all said it was an island.... seems awfully small in your eyes to have so many places... in this case it must be referencing a time when Hyrule, Labryanna and Holodrum were all connected... before the flood no?

New Hyrule is established to have foreign countries; Catalia, Holodrum, and Labrynna. The islands are seen on the southwest edge of New Hyrule, perhaps showing the portion of the Great Sea that leads to New Hyrule. All three countries are to the west of Hyrule. The islands are southwest. Tetra and Link may have gone north into New Hyrule, avoiding the foreign countries.

I never said New Hyrule was an island, but the fact there are islands surrounding it points to it being on the Great Sea; we rarely have an ocean in Zelda games.

If we place the Oracles and Four Sword Saga after the TP in the second timeline, it could work. In OoT, Twinrova dies, so how can she come back. But she doesn't die in the child one, so she could be there now for Ganon's revivement. Also, we never see the whole of Hyrule, who's to say it isn't a large island already, or a small continent. The Gods may have simply risen the already high water level. It would have aroused less suspision with the Hylians. And ALTTP could simply be the new Hyrule they were searching for.

The New Timeline in this case would be:

OoT-TWW/PH-ALTTP/LA-LoZ/AoL
OoT/MM-TP-OoS/OoA-TMC-FS/FSA

Just a few thoughts. I know it's a bit too radical to be changing the timeline altogether based on this, but it's possible...