Possible placment for MC

Ok, so we know for sure that MC is NOT FIRST IN THE TIMELINE, like some people think. Now alot of people are confused about where it belongs. Well, i have a theory...

My theory is that it comes directly after PH, like after thirty or twenty years. I think that the Zelda in MC is the daughter of the WW Zelda (AKA Tetra) and the MC link is the son of WW link. Why do I think this? Well, the MC Zelda and Link look almost exactly like the WW Zelda and Link. This could be achieved through a DIRECT blood relationship with them. This could also explain why MC Link and Zelda are such good friends, because their parents were. I don't remember for sure, but i think LInk dosen't have a mom or dad in MC, and ZElda dosen't have a Mom. This could because they are out in the seas together, and LInk's mom is dead. MC Zelda's clothes look just like WW Zelda's clothes, so they could be hand-me-downs.

So I take it you believe that either New land was found and Hyrule established in a mere 30 years or that the land was raised in that time period?
Also,I'm assuming that you believe that the Hero of Men is the Hero of Winds?
That is,TWW Link.
Highly unlikely.
Its too close a time frame.
I like the idea of TMC coming after PH,but not so close a time frame.

Originally Posted by Stoopidmahn

Ok, so we know for sure that MC is NOT FIRST IN THE TIMELINE, like some people think.

We found out for sure? When did this happen?

We found out for sure? When did this happen?

Yes because it was certainly not MY TMC thread that did that.

I agree with TMC coming after TP instead of PH.

hey pinecove,what do you think about a sequel to TP where TP Link is the Hero Of Men???Of course,somewhere along the lines he'd have to lose his hat..
But what do you think?

Originally Posted by oni_lunk

hey pinecove,what do you think about a sequel to TP where TP Link is the Hero Of Men???Of course,somewhere along the lines he'd have to lose his hat..
But what do you think?

Hmmm.

I think it would be better with a different Link seeing as otherwise TP Link would be both the "Hero of twilight/divine beast" and "Hero of me" But I would love it.

Originally Posted by Stoopidmahn

Ok, so we know for sure that MC is NOT FIRST IN THE TIMELINE, like some people think. Now alot of people are confused about where it belongs. Well, i have a theory...

Nope. People are not confused. We've decided on two spots for tMC.
There is information on both sides.
I'm thinking you sir are the one who is a little confused....

Originally Posted by Stoopidmahn

My theory is that it comes directly after PH, like after thirty or twenty years. I think that the Zelda in MC is the daughter of the WW Zelda (AKA Tetra) and the MC link is the son of WW link. Why do I think this? Well, the MC Zelda and Link look almost exactly like the WW Zelda and Link. This could be achieved through a DIRECT blood relationship with them. This could also explain why MC Link and Zelda are such good friends, because their parents were. I don't remember for sure, but i think LInk dosen't have a mom or dad in MC, and ZElda dosen't have a Mom. This could because they are out in the seas together, and LInk's mom is dead. MC Zelda's clothes look just like WW Zelda's clothes, so they could be hand-me-downs.

There is no evidence to support the fan-fiction that you have concocted. And how would this tMC Zelda get a father? Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule in tWW is gone. Where does the King in tMC come from? Gustaf is Zelda's father and I'm sure that it all couldn't have happened in 30 years. What you are proposing is impossible.

I think you might want to add one or two more generations between The Wind Waker and The Minish Cap. The Link of The Minish Cap lives with his grandfather, the Royal Blacksmith (New Hyrule has to be around long enough for him to get such a title), and we meet the ancient King Gustaf, who was great friends with the Wind People- I would say, according to this theory, Gustaf is probably Tetra's son, making nice with the natives of New Hyrule.

Some evidence you might be interested in: The Wind Waker and The Minish Cap have the exact same royal crest.

Originally Posted by The Black Knight

There is no evidence to support the fan-fiction that you have concocted. And how would this tMC Zelda get a father? Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule in tWW is gone. Where does the King in tMC come from? Gustaf is Zelda's father and I'm sure that it all couldn't have happened in 30 years. What you are proposing is impossible.

First off, Daltus is Zelda's father; Gustaf is the ghost King. Tetra could have gotten married to anyone (not Link in this theory), and had a child. She's the living royal one, remember? Now, Tetra cannot be Zelda's mother, as we see a elderly King Daltus rather than a elderly Queen Tetra, but it's certainly possible that Tetra's son is Daltus. Of course, we can then throw that out because of Gustaf, but we don't need Daphnes around for the royal line (just... ew).

I think there needs to be a little more time between the two games, because of Gustaf.

Originally Posted by Eralk Fang

I would say, according to this theory, Gustaf is probably Tetra's son, making nice with the natives of New Hyrule.

I doubt it.
Nintendo would have mentioned something about the bloodline carrying on.
And there isn't any in-game evidence to support a relation between Tetra all the way to The minish Cap Zelda other than similar dresses.

And yes I got Daltus and Gustaf mixed up, but regardless, the same conclusion can be reached. It is impossible for it all to happen in the time frame that was proposed.

EDIT: And I wasn't proposing anything between Zelda and her father Daphes. I was suggesting that because Tetra/Zelda gives up her dress and goes back to being a pirate that Daphnes would have to re-marry and have a child.... etc. etc.

Originally Posted by The Black Knight

I doubt it.
Nintendo would have mentioned something about the bloodline carrying on.
And there isn't any in-game evidence to support a relation between Tetra all the way to The minish Cap Zelda other than similar dresses.

Zelda is quite definite about the "royal" bloodines: Zelda's and Impa's. And the crest does prove something; if Tetra never made it to New Hyrule, how did that specific crest live on?

Originally Posted by The Black Knight

And yes I got Daltus and Gustaf mixed up, but regardless, the same conclusion can be reached. It is impossible for it all to happen in the time frame that was proposed.

I agree. I think the closest relation we can get is Gustaf as the son of Tetra, but nothing as close as Stoopidmahn suggests.

Originally Posted by The Black Knight

EDIT: And I wasn't proposing anything between Zelda and her father Daphes. I was suggesting that because Tetra/Zelda gives up her dress and goes back to being a pirate that Daphnes would have to re-marry and have a child.... etc. etc.

Well, Daphnes is kind of dead, so that would deter any potential mates... just because Tetra gives up the dress doesn't mean she gives up being royal forever and ever. Just means a royal coronation gown isn't the most practical thing to wear during a pirate raid. She and Link set off specifically for a New Hyrule. In order for her to not contribute to the royal bloodline, she has to "abdicate" (of a sort) or die in Phantom Hourglass.

Originally Posted by Eralk Fang

Zelda is quite definite about the "royal" bloodines: Zelda's and Impa's. And the crest does prove something; if Tetra never made it to New Hyrule, how did that specific crest live on?

That's quite obvious.
tMC comes before OoT like the developers statements enforce.

Originally Posted by Eralk Fang

Well, Daphnes is kind of dead, so that would deter any potential mates... just because Tetra gives up the dress doesn't mean she gives up being royal forever and ever. She and Link set off specifically for a New Hyrule. In order for her to not contribute to the royal bloodline, she has to "abdicate" (of a sort) or die in Phantom Hourglass.

A recent article for Phantom Hourlgass didn't even mention Tetra being in the game. I don't think this PH game is going to provide any help whatsoever for the timeline.

Originally Posted by The Black Knight

That's quite obvious. tMC comes before OoT like the developers statements enforce.

Not only is Hyrule only united a decade prior to Ocarina of Time, the Hyrule of The Minish Cap is surrounded by The Wind Waker-style islands. Show me these developer statements.

Originally Posted by The Black Knight

A recent article for Phantom Hourlgass didn't even mention Tetra being in the game. I don't think this PH game is going to provide any help whatsoever for the timeline.

I don't think Phantom Hourglass will do anything to the timeline but be a sequel to The Wind Waker. I also think the only way we can know Tetra didn't start the New Hyrule royal bloodline is if it is explicitly stated in Phantom Hourglass. Link is supposed to be searching for her throughout the game, though; he loses track of her and her crew in the beginning of the game.

Originally Posted by Eralk Fang

Not only is Hyrule only united a decade prior to Ocarina of Time, the Hyrule of The Minish Cap is surrounded by The Wind Waker-style islands. Show me these developer statements.

You must have seen the one where they said Four Sword was the oldest tale...
The Minish Cap is the story of the Four Sword... making it the oldest tale

It doesn't have to be an island.
The game never said just how high the floating dungeon was.
So we could be looking at a whole continent.
And Hyrule isn't unified at this point if tMC is before OoT. No zoras, kokiri etc. etc.

Originally Posted by The Black Knight

You must have seen the one where they said Four Sword was the oldest tale...
The Minish Cap is the story of the Four Sword... making it the oldest tale

A source if you please; I believe I know which one you're talking about but we'll never know until you prove it. I believe that specific statement talked about the oldest tale in the Four Swords saga, not the series.

Originally Posted by The Black Knight

It doesn't have to be an island.
The game never said just how high the floating dungeon was.
So we could be looking at a whole continent.
And Hyrule isn't unified at this point if tMC is before OoT. No zoras, kokiri etc. etc.

Hyrule means "Hylian Rule".

You got a map of Hyrule!

Now, you'll never get lost!

That's from The Minish Cap. Such a simple little statement, but it reveals that the entire area shown on that map? Is under Hylian Rule, and therefore unified under the King of Hyrule, as they are all ruled by him.

I think it makes more sense that the Zora and Kokiri are gone for the reasons in The Wind Waker than they randomly showed up and got land in the Hyrule of The Minish Cap. The Zora have retreated to the bottoms of the ocean (as shown in Oracle of Ages), and the Kokiri are the Korok.

Originally Posted by Eralk Fang

A source if you please; I believe I know which one you're talking about but we'll never know until you prove it. I believe that specific statement talked about the oldest tale in the Four Swords saga, not the series.

I'll try and find it but it would be more beneficial for you to quickly scan the theorizing section and find the thread containing the debate over developer statements to see the context, meaning and or purpose of the statement.

Originally Posted by Eralk Fang

I think it makes more sense that the Zora and Kokiri are gone for the reasons in The Wind Waker than they randomly showed up and got land in the Hyrule of The Minish Cap. The Zora have retreated to the bottoms of the ocean (as shown in Oracle of Ages), and the Kokiri are the Korok.

No... the Zora in the most likely case became the rito. (but that's another debate)
It seems odd that tMC does not feature any koroks or rito considering both races have flying capabilities and could have traveled to any place if new Hyrule was established someplace far from the area seen in tWW. And for the Deku Trees seeds to connect all the islands, we would need to see the Koroks.