(Revised a bit) Midna's Ancestry. [Long read, some spoilers] Theories of Her Race.

Originally Posted by Twili Knight

Above person, I appreciate your support, but that couldn't have been. The Minish were extraordinarily small, and Vaati didn't physically look anything like a Sheikah, other than his red eyes. Zant's robes had the Gerudo symbol on it far before Zant even heard of Ganondorf.
Oh, and Raian, it actually does look like the alleged evil eye, and the symbol on the back is a heavily edited, so to speak, symbol of the Sheikah.
I have also read through one of your threads, and I am currently in the middle of a slight overhaul in the theory. Upheaval takes too much time, but meh.
See ya!
Twili Knight - A.K.A. Sahaqiel

sorry to play the devils advocate on the vaati thing, but Vaati had pale skin and white hair, similar to Impa, who did not have white hair because she is old(she looks like she is 30), not to mention that when he wears the magical cap it looks like it has an eye on it.

Vaati did not originally look like that. He looked a very small, munchkin-like thing you could swat at. Almost infantile.
I am done with the rearranging of things. It adds some new/not so new ideas into there regarding the Gerudo, yet somehow changing drastically what this theory represented. I now there HAD to be at least one or two Sheikah in there. Take a good, hard look at that symbol, Raian, too.
But yeah. You don't have to read the whole thing over now. I suggest you do it soon if you want to continue debating =P
Woohoo!
Twili Knight - A.K.A. Sahaqiel

Originally Posted by Wolflink12

In regards to aghanim and Vaati, they could have been sheikah, vaati could have been disquised as a minish to learn wizardry from ezlo.
and as for zant's tabard, i bet that he is wearing it as a sign of loyalty to ganondorf.

This is fanfiction my dear, and thus belongs in another area of the site lol. And the bolded words are more than enough to show a lack of evidence.

Please provide even the tiniest pinch of evidence, either developer or in-game that could even lead me to remotely ponder the idea that what you said has some truth. If you are referring to Zant's Gerudo Symbol then he has that befroe he even met him.

Yes, we all know of Zant's robe choice, but I did revise the theory a bit more, as evidenced by the front page. A bit less of... Fanfiction, as you call it.
Thanks.
Twili Knight - A.K.A. Sahaqiel

Twili Knight, if you think that those symbols were intentionally made to be the Sheikah symbols, then I can't force you to change your mind. But although I see the similarities that you are referring to, I cannot accept that they were made intentionally.

Why put the Sheikah eye on the Four Sword, whether it represents evil or otherwise? Why does it appear on the Harp of Ages? Why does the Shadow Medallion depict the fourth Triforce piece? What is Veran's relationship with Midna? Is Veran a Twili? There is no purposeful connection between the characters and objects in question.

To be similar is not to be the same. A circle with a ring around it is not an eye. Add three lines to it and it is still not an eye. The Four Sword does not depict an eye. The Harp of Ages does not depict an eye. There is no eye.

Originally Posted by Twili Knight

Also, Average Gamer, if the Hylians had that kind of relationship with the Hylians, why aren't all Hylians like that? Training and protecting the family with complete determination?

Was everyone in Japan and China a Samurai? Not everyone is going to be that way. It's true in life.

Of course, I also see the point you're trying to get at, but the Zelda universe isn't based on vast coincidences. All of it has a meaning. Depictions on walls of the Temple of Time. There lies meaning. The Vast amount of symbols in relation to one another. There lies meaning. A mere circle with a ring around it, it may be. But a circle with a ring around it with eyelashes. This is not a random symbol. Whether it is to just make the eye adjust better in relation to the guard and the hilt, it has meaning. I never said the Harp of Ages did depict an eye, though it does seem remarkably similar to this whole business with eyes. Nintendo seems to be facinated with eyes. They're all over the place. As weak spots, as family crests, and basically a bunch of other meanings applied to those. Of COURSE no-one wants to be shot in the eyes. Of COURSE no-one wants to be slashed across the eye. But of course, eyes appear for a reason. The reason of the Four Sword's is really unknown, but it can't be evil. Plus, it could also be shaped that way to adjust to the art style.
I'm out of closing statement ideas ^_^;;
Twili Knight - A.K.A. Sahaqiel

Originally Posted by Twili Knight

Depictions on walls of the Temple of Time. There lies meaning.

In this case though, the meaning is made clear. The Temple of Light is in the Sacred Realm, so the Temple of Time acts as its representative in Hyrule (hence the Prelude of Light, and other Light symbols).

There lies meaning. A mere circle with a ring around it, it may be. But a circle with a ring around it with eyelashes. This is not a random symbol.

But are they eye-lashes? Are you sure they're not just lines that run up the handle? The eye-lashes on the Sheikah symbol are distinctively triangular (in fact, some have used them to connect with the Goron footprint symbol).

Whether it is to just make the eye adjust better in relation to the guard and the hilt, it has meaning. I never said the Harp of Ages did depict an eye, though it does seem remarkably similar to this whole business with eyes.

It only has meaning if we can see that it has meaning. If it is meant to be an eye, you make it clearly look like an eye (such as, make the shape of the eye like an oval, not a perfect circle).

Nintendo seems to be facinated with eyes. They're all over the place. As weak spots, as family crests, and basically a bunch of other meanings applied to those.

Nintendo is also fascinated with squares, triangles, etc. A shape does not have to represent what you see. A circle with a ring around it does not have to represent an eye. It could represent an embedded gemstone, or more likely, NOTHING AT ALL. You've got to be aware that you aren't looking at symbols so deeply that you see meaning where there may be none.

For example, above Link's house in TP, there is a triangle with a tree in front of it. The branches of the tree separate the triangle into eight parts, and people have speculated that it represents the separation of the Triforce of Courage in TWW. This perfectly shows how meaning can be seen where it does not exist.

Well, the tree-triangle thing could just be an easter egg reference. Who knows?
Gah! I need to get some more closing statements.
Umm...
STROOPWAFELS!
Twili Knight - A.K.A. Sahaqiel

That was amazing and everything makes sense! How long did it take you to figure that out.

"Please don't be a flamer, please don't be a flamer, please don't be a-"
*Opens eyes*
Oh, thank heavens. It was really just a domino effect, as described in a previous post. I thought of one thing, then that thought lead to another, and so forth. It happened just after I spied the symbol on Midna's helm. I picked some stuff up from there. I don't think they're jealous. They defend their beliefs as much as you or I do. I request that you don't belittle them, even if they may do so to any of us.
I really appreciate the support, though.
Twili Knight - A.K.A. Sahaqiel

To be quite honest, Twili Knight, you are by no means the first person to ask about a Sheikah=Twili connection on this board. Indeed, as long as people have noticed two characters/symbols to be similar, they have posted their theories based upon these similarities.

From my own personal experience, nine times out of ten of these theories don't go anywhere, because most others do not believe that the similarities are indeed intentional connections. When two objects are successfully connected, it is often because they are literally the same.

Had others on this board accepted your evidence, there would be many more responses from dedicated theorists than my own. But I am sorry to say that the emptiness suggests that this theory is not going to be popular.

Oh, I knew it wasn't going to be popular. It was slightly popular when I first posted it. Not popularity as in, everyone believes me, but popular as in a lot of people posted off-topic stuff. In other words, this is here to be debated. I personally believe that it could be possible. I'm not saying I believe it completely blindly, without a doubt.
I posted this on IGN, and the responses were about half opposite of this board's. People thought of the possibility, and accepted it as a possibility, but confessed a large amount of skepticism, and debated it calmy, without insult. But yeah, it's a theory.
So long, and thanks for all the fish.
Twili Knight - A.K.A. Sahaqiel

Originally Posted by The Black Knight

This is fanfiction my dear, and thus belongs in another area of the site lol. And the bolded words are more than enough to show a lack of evidence.

Please provide even the tiniest pinch of evidence, either developer or in-game that could even lead me to remotely ponder the idea that what you said has some truth. If you are referring to Zant's Gerudo Symbol then he has that befroe he even met him.

OK, starting with Vaati, vaati did not look at all like a normal picori, he had pale skin/fur and red eyes from the start. also, if he really was an apprentice to ezlo for the sake of learning from him, he wouldn't quit his training just to get power, he would continue on with it, until an oppertune moment. but no he must have already been relatively skilled in magic before he even took the magic cap.
next for Aghanim, aghanim has an eye with three prongs on top of it, similar to the sheikah symbol, on the chest of his robe. He also has pale skin and red eyes. He shrouds his face similar to the way sheik does.
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Is that a pinch of evidence?

Agahnim has pale skin? Where did you see that? It looked relatively normal to me. Besides which, the Sheikah are not as pale as Vaati: check OoT Impa for an example. Her skin has a brownish tinge. Plus, Sheik is technically not a Sheikah.

look at official art for aghanim.

Originally Posted by HurriPen

Agahnim has pale skin? Where did you see that? It looked relatively normal to me. Besides which, the Sheikah are not as pale as Vaati: check OoT Impa for an example. Her skin has a brownish tinge. Plus, Sheik is technically not a Sheikah.

Wolflink is right about Agahnim's pale skin, you know.





Although I must admit, I do not see red eyes in the pictures. To be fair, Impa in the earlier games does not have red eyes, either.

Hurripen is right when he says that pale skin does not equal Sheikah.

He's got an eye, though it looks like a different design from the Sheikah eye.
Overall, chances of Agahnim being related to the Sheikah: 2/5 -- Unlikely.


While I'm at it:



Red eyes, red hair and pale skin. Apparent eye symbol with long "teardrop" extending upwards. Gerudo symbol present on gauntlets/shoulders, probably due to Veran's connection with Kotake/Koume...although...there is a possibility for a Twili/Midna connection.

Sheikah connection: 2/5 --- Unlikely.......Twili/Midna connection: 3/5 --- Somewhat Likely


For reference purposes:

Impa: OoA/OoS



Impa: Ocarina of Time



As for whether the Sheikah= the Twili...I'll post later on this issue more in depth (I'm running low on time). I'll just say now that it is at least a distinct possibility, given the intimate connection both have with shadow. That's all I'll say on it for now.

i have a new theory its possible that the sheikah remaining members are impaz, the shaman, the shaman's daughter and that fortune teller fondani or what ever (sorry forgot her name) so the sheikah did in fact just die out. the gerudos probably was located in another part of gerudo desert i think it can be possible that Agahnim's race could be in fact the banished tribe to the twilight realm he bears similar design of clothing and symbols that of the twili and he uses dark magic. Agahnim's race probably goes deep into the practices of dark magic they could have been after the sacred realm way before agahnim came into the picture ( given their were a few survivors of his race)

Pale? Agahnim is blue.

And Agahnim, while it is never confirmed, seems to be set up to be a Zuna. Pale skin color, same style of clothing...