Could Ganondorf have been the "Divine Beast"?

Midna said she was in search of a divine beast that the prophecy of the Twilight Relm spoke of. She believed it was Link, but what if it was Ganon? I forgot what prophecy the 'divine beast' was ment to fill, but I think it was something in relation to helping the Twili.

In any case, a prophecy, in the Twilight Realm of all places, could it have been about Ganondorf?

Midna was refering to the one who would save the twili. Ganon didn't save the twili, he conquered them, and (through Zant) turned them into the shadow beasts you see when Link first enters the twilight realm. Link was the restorative power that saved the twili from being enslaved for all eternity under the will of Ganondorf's pawn, Zant.

But could saving them mean avenging the interlopers? We really need to know who wrote the prophecy to understand what 'saving' them meant. I think it was most likely someone around the time of the interlopers, perhaps someone close to them, and 'saving' the Twili in their eyes could mean gaining entry into the Sacred Realm and getting them out of their prison (the twilight realm). Ganondorf could have done this for them.

Ganondorf is the "Hero"?

Not likely.

Besides, it was said that the hero would appear as a divine beast, which he did. Ganon appeared as a monstrous spirit-form.

As I was saying 'Hero' really is in the eye of the beholder. And considering it was possibly close follows of the interlopers who wrote the prophecy, well, who knows what they considered a 'hero'

Ganon was called 'Dark Beast Ganon'. He was technically a beast and divine because of his affiliation with the triforce.

It would indeed be an interesting twist. And if you look at it differently then Ganondorf did indeed do a lot for the twili. They have been in their realm for so long that they forgot about desire and happiness so Ganondorf appears and grants one of them the power to change all that. Sure, Zant enslaved them, but he enveloped the realm of light into the twilight almost giving them a chance at a second life, rather than the "miserable half existance" Zant referred to it as.

But of course I believe it was Link.

Dark beast Ganon was something he became of his own will, or the triforce's will. It wasn't a shape the twilight transformed him into like his spirit form. I also think it might be a bit of a stretch to call his beast form "divine." One way or the other I think the argument is moot, as Link fulfilled the prophecy anyway.

Again, did he really though? It was to save the Twili. At the end of Twilight Princess, they're going back to living their life in the void. I'm sure there are more Twili like Zant (bitter and twisted), and again, as I must stress, how long ago and who do you think wrote the prophecy? It must have been written long ago, around or a little after the interlopers. Do you really think a prophecy written in that times definition of 'save' would be stopping a Twilight invasion of Hyrule and possibly the Sacred Realm?

If it's a choice between a simple explanation that fits with the situation surrounding the quote, and a complex explanation that requires redefining the script to make things work, I would go with the simple explanation. Heck, even the Hero's Spirit refers to Link as the divine beast.

Originally Posted by lordandyofx

Dark beast Ganon was something he became of his own will, or the triforce's will. It wasn't a shape the twilight transformed him into like his spirit form. I also think it might be a bit of a stretch to call his beast form "divine." One way or the other I think the argument is moot, as Link fulfilled the prophecy anyway.

i agree

Well, Link certainly made the Twili happier: they seem to prefer not being deformed. They also did not appreciate the rule of Zant. And a lack of ambition is not necessarily something to write home about: he also may have been misinterpreting their peaceful gentle ways for this. Ganondorf might think he could fulfill a prophecy, but objectively speaking, he PHAILS.

Fascinating idea!

In our world, we've long believed that the Hero would appear as a divine beast.
That's why when I found you, I thought I could use you, Link.

It certainly sounds like a prophecy, but Midna doesn't mention any more specifics about it. We don't know if this prophesied Hero must save the Twili or anything else. While Ganondorf could certainly fit the bill as Ganon, he never exploits it with Zant, instead choosing to appear as a god rather than a divine beast. It's perfectly possible that if Ganondorf ever needed a physical form, he might have turned into Ganon... and Midna may have begun actively searching for the "true" divine beast, to counter him, even using some random canine Hylian she found, who turned out to be the actual Hero (at least, from where we're standing!).

Still, though, it is a brilliant idea, and would have made a fantastic parallel; what if Zant had run off into a deep forest and encountered Ganondorf as Ganon (trying to survive in the Twilight Realm), and took him for the sacred beast? It would mirror the scene where Midna finds unconscious wolf!Link in the woods...

Originally Posted by HurriPen

Well, Link certainly made the Twili happier: they seem to prefer not being deformed.

But they were already deformed pretty severely. I don't think they were happy being pastel paint people.

Originally Posted by HurriPen

They also did not appreciate the rule of Zant.

They prefered Midna over him: they didn't have the time to oppose Zant's rule, seeing as how he turned them into monsters very quickly.

Originally Posted by HurriPen

And a lack of ambition is not necessarily something to write home about: he also may have been misinterpreting their peaceful gentle ways for this.

Um...they seemed like they were stoned to me. All in all, I don't think the prophecy was about Ganon, but it being about Link makes no sense, because why would the angry, sealed Twili make a legend about a beast that would screw over their one chance to return to the light?

True, and Midna is technically a traitor, she takes her rule back to the Twilight realm and helps link dispel the twilight. I think Zant would have done something to help the twili after the takeover.

are you meaning that he is indirectly the hero, just like Darth Vader was still the one who brought balance to the force in star wars in accordance with the prophecies?

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

But they were already deformed pretty severely. I don't think they were happy being pastel paint people.

When I say deformed, I mean different from how they usually look. Plus, you know, the whole symmetry thing. And being a pastel paint person sounds like a cool thing to be, IMHO. Someone who has a small sig should put that in there (mine's too big as it is).

They preferred Midna over him: they didn't have the time to oppose Zant's rule, seeing as how he turned them into monsters very quickly.

You have a point here, but it still does not mean they would hate their current lives. They moaned in a rather jolly way.

Um...they seemed like they were stoned to me. All in all, I don't think the prophecy was about Ganon, but it being about Link makes no sense, because why would the angry, sealed Twili make a legend about a beast that would screw over their one chance to return to the light?

I did not mean that their standing around was their peaceful gentle ways: I was going with an in-game text thing that Midna said about how they all mellowed out (hmm, maybe they did find drugs there [perhaps made out of their killer plants]).

Besides which, it does not look like they would really want to return to the light, when you consider that they would die from that. They may have considered returning for the first few generations, but I am pretty sure that they are happy where they are in their alien way. Also, it may not have been the first Twili generation that made the prophecy: it could have been after the mellowing.

Originally Posted by Pika_power

True, and Midna is technically a traitor, she takes her rule back to the Twilight realm and helps link dispel the twilight. I think Zant would have done something to help the Twili after the takeover.

Zant was a power-mad dictator. They are generally not interested in helping the people. It does not matter which version it was (crazy or menacing): both are bad for governing.

Originally Posted by HurriPen

When I say deformed, I mean different from how they usually look.

To be honest, they actually looked better.

Originally Posted by HurriPen

Plus, you know, the whole symmetry thing.

Actually, they were more symmetrical as monsters, seeing as how they didn't have the random black and white patterns.

Originally Posted by HurriPen

You have a point here, but it still does not mean they would hate their current lives. They moaned in a rather jolly way.

They didn't sound jolly at all. They sounded either depressed or emotionless. It was like an inaudible noise in reaction to something.

Originally Posted by HurriPen

I did not mean that their standing around was their peaceful gentle ways: I was going with an in-game text thing that Midna said about how they all mellowed out (hmm, maybe they did find drugs there [perhaps made out of their killer plants]).

We really don't have any proof that their peaceful ways weren't them standing around drugged.

Originally Posted by HurriPen

Besides which, it does not look like they would really want to return to the light, when you consider that they would die from that.

But when the legend was made, they probably would still be able to live in the light, and they might still feel angry if the changing happened before the vegetable state.

Originally Posted by HurriPen

They may have considered returning for the first few generations, but I am pretty sure that they are happy where they are in their alien way. Also, it may not have been the first Twili generation that made the prophecy: it could have been after the mellowing.

It seems very unlikely that the mellow generation would make that prophecy, seeing as how they, to be honest, appeared to have life in them, and they certainly don't look happy.

Originally Posted by HurriPen

Zant was a power-mad dictator. They are generally not interested in helping the people. It does not matter which version it was (crazy or menacing): both are bad for governing.

He did bring his people into the light world again and made them able to live in it (and come back from the dead under certain terms.) He gave somewhat of a crap about them.