Are we sure about the Placement of TP?

We all know about the interview with Aonuma where he said TP parallel TWW, but did he mean the timeline?

There seems to be evidence that could support the timeline going
OoT-TP-TWW. (No I'm not trying to ressurect linearism)

1) We see the ToP on Ganon's hand fade away in TP, it comes back in TWW.
2) The MS lies in the ruins of the ToT, this could go either way, since it was put back at the end of OoT, but we never see what Link did with the MS after TP. It could have easily been relinquished to Zelda.
3) Also, we see Ganondorf killing off two sages. I haven't checked the symbols of the medallions, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was forest and water (or spirit by the level design of the earth temple)
4) Finally, this could explain why Kakariko is almost empty and in such a shambled shape. Death Mountain errupting, bongo bongo going crazy, it could have easily caused the town to dry up, and people to move.

This is my reasoning thus far. Please discuss, and if(which most ill be) you are against this, use evidence other than the interview.

Two sages? More like three, if you are claiming TP->WW. And those three are water (TP), earth, and wind. I see no need for the WW sages to be identified with the old elements: it works out better this way. The three sages each possess an element of a goddess. It is akin to a symbolic killing of the goddesses.

Other than that, your reasoning is very suspect. It does not take into account where the TP sages came from or why they were foolish enough to take him out of the Sacred Realm. In fact, you have not given a reason for why they were unaware of Ganondorf's ToP! This theory could use some work and some in-game evidence.

Originally Posted by Taledin

1) We see the ToP on Ganon's hand fade away in TP, it comes back in TWW.

Yes this actually does fit. It appears the MS is acting like a key upon his powers like he said in tWW. The mark appears back on his hand after the sword is pulled.

Originally Posted by Taledin

2) The MS lies in the ruins of the ToT, this could go either way, since it was put back at the end of OoT, but we never see what Link did with the MS after TP. It could have easily been relinquished to Zelda.

Unfortunately no evidence. And in the credits it is seen back on the pedastal in the forest clearing.

Originally Posted by Taledin

3) Also, we see Ganondorf killing off two sages. I haven't checked the symbols of the medallions, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was forest and water (or spirit by the level design of the earth temple)

In tWW he killed the earth and wind sage while in TP he killed the water sage. No correlation whatsoever in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Taledin

4) Finally, this could explain why Kakariko is almost empty and in such a shambled shape. Death Mountain errupting, bongo bongo going crazy, it could have easily caused the town to dry up, and people to move.

I would expect that the fact the village is at the foot of an active volcano that most people would leave. And the village seems to thrive even after the bongo bongo attack. After Hyrule was rebuilt I bet the majority of the people just moved to the castle.... still speculation.

No I'm pretty sure it doesn't go (adult) OoT - TP -tWW

This is what we have....

------------------------------ tWW
OoT (split)
------MM----TP

Just consider Ganondorf's knowledge of the hero and the MS in each of the battles. Think of the sages and why they aren't present in their old forms in TP (perhaps less bodily forms). Annnnd lets not forget the developer statements of them being parallel and then the ones about TP being hundreds of years after the child ending and tWW being thousands of years after the adult ending. Consider the MM mask songs in TP.... how could they come about if the heroes shade had never gone to Termina?

Originally Posted by HurriPen

Two sages? More like three, if you are claiming TP->WW. And those three are water (TP), earth, and wind. I see no need for the WW sages to be identified with the old elements: it works out better this way. The three sages each possess an element of a goddess. It is akin to a symbolic killing of the goddesses.

Other than that, your reasoning is very suspect. It does not take into account where the TP sages came from or why they were foolish enough to take him out of the Sacred Realm. In fact, you have not given a reason for why they were unaware of Ganondorf's ToP! This theory could use some work and some in-game evidence.

Wait... three were killed? Woah, I gotta stop working on 100% and play through it again.

I suppose it would work better that way, but wouldn't that mean that there should have been are 9 sages in TP?

As for them not knowng about his ToP
Idea 1) he sages seem to be different just by the apprance of their form. They could just be uninformed, and wanted to eal Ganondorf in the Twilight Realm rather than the Sacred realm.

Idea 2) Perhaps they knew about it, but thought of it as an essential risk to further seperate Ganodorf from the Sacred Realm.

Idea 3) They forgot (couple hundred years) just kdding

Idea 4) Ganondorf somehow escaped, and they had to subdue him ASAP.

Originally Posted by Cloaked Mystery

No I'm pretty sure it doesn't go (adult) OoT - TP -tWW

This is what we have....

------------------------------ tWW
OoT (split)
------MM----TP

Just consider Ganondorf's knowledge of the hero and the MS in each of the battles. Think of the sages and why they are depicted in the stain glass images when they weren't ever awakened in the linear timeline. Annnnd lets not forget the developer statements of them being parallel and then the ones about TP being hundreds of years after the child ending and tWW being thousands of years after the adult ending. Consider the MM mask songs in TP.... how could they come about if the heroes shade had never gone to Termina?

It would depend what side of the split you put it on. If you put them both on the adult side, then Bong Bongo would have attacked.

Well, the way I picture it is that during OoT, people knew what was happening, and they recognized the heroes (Sages and Link), while in TP, they are pretty much oblivious, I bet they didn't even have a clue about the sages.

I may have to re read the interview, but I thought it only said TP hundred(s) years after OoT, TWW thouand(s) after OoT. Don't remember it mentioning the endings.

As for Termina, the would be HoT went there, and came back 3 days later. This was probably 3 days after Ganondorf was one of two things attacking or apprehended, depending on your views on the timeline

I kinda view MM as suspended on its own timeline, as it is seperate realm from Hyrule. Although it takes place after the child ending, I kinda think it should have a seperate section of the timeline.

If you would review the cutscene, you would see that they were engaging in a ritual execution. The Twilight Mirror was only used as an emergency. The cutscene also describes how they were utterly surprised that he had the ToP.

Plus, there is no mention of his having been retrieved for execution. Rather, it sounded like he was recently captured, but that may be just me.

So only your first idea remains, and shakily at that.

I really think he means that it takes place in the split during the same time of WW. The story of Ganondorf before WW is that of another sealment...he was sealed below the waves when there was no hero. (kinda sucks for him eh?)...The Tp Ganondorf is trumped by a hero and never sealed...he appears to actually die. (standing up cause he's a badass mofo) The sages in the child line don't know anything about Ganondorfs power...because they were never killed off like they were when he took over in the adult timeline. Ganondorf on the future side had already gained the triforce and was bound to it..so his younger incarnation was gifted with it was well...but he never learned the real power of it.
The Ganondorf we have in TP is the uneducated one that has nothing but pure hatred..he never got to have the experiance of being a king...which is shown very well with TP Ganondorf. WW Ganondorf on the other hand is smart and calculating, he knows what real power is...and is able to contain his emotions.
The way Ganondorf reacts to actions taken by the hero and so on...makes me devide the two up into diff timelines. But I also like the idea that each timeline aligned hyrule will experiance what the other is experiancing in some way. WW Hyrule is destroyed...take a look at TP Hyrule, it too looks pretty destroyed and on the verge of collapse. That's a bit fanfic from myself there...but I do like the idea.

Originally Posted by Taledin

We all know about the interview with Aonuma where he said TP parallel TWW, but did he mean the timeline?

I know you say to use evidence other than the interview, but 'TP being parallel to WW' can only really mean one thing.

"TWW is parallel."

8. anything parallel or comparable in direction, course, nature, or tendency to something else.
12. a comparison of things as if regarded side by side.

8. In other words, something moving in the same direction.
12. Side-by-side; as in one right after another? xP

Originally Posted by Taledin

Finally, this could explain why Kakariko is almost empty and in such a shambled shape. Death Mountain errupting, bongo bongo going crazy, it could have easily caused the town to dry up, and people to move.

I think the reason that Kakariko village is empty in TP is because of the twilight realm and the shadow beasts. When you first get into the chief's house, there is a cut-scene in which the chief (what's his name again?) says something like:
"They tried to kill it, but suddenly there were even more of them"
which suggests the people of Kakariko village were turned into shadow beasts upon engaging them.

This doesn't work Taledin.

In two developer quotes we know it doesn't work.

TP comes in the child timeline, and tWW comes in the Adult timeline.

Any correlations between the two timelines has also already been said to be "artistic liscence"

Originally Posted by LexLionHart

"TWW is parallel."

8. anything parallel or comparable in direction, course, nature, or tendency to something else.
12. a comparison of things as if regarded side by side.

8. In other words, something moving in the same direction.
12. Side-by-side; as in one right after another? xP

Parallel, yes that is the definition, but it could be a parallel in events, stories, ect.

Originally Posted by quick_silver20

This doesn't work Taledin.

In two developer quotes we know it doesn't work.

TP comes in the child timeline, and tWW comes in the Adult timeline.

Any correlations between the two timelines has also already been said to be "artistic liscence"

Thinking about it, yeah I suppose so. I did think this up around... was it 11PM or 1AM? somewhere in there.

I also believed your theory when TP was released Taledin.
I worked up some evidence but all I have on my new computer is this map

It shows that the cave of ordeals and the cave on outset are in the same place. Hardly astounding but it helps geographicly

Originally Posted by Taledin

Wait... three were killed? Woah, I gotta stop working on 100% and play through it again.

I suppose it would work better that way, but wouldn't that mean that there should have been are 9 sages in TP?

As for them not knowng about his ToP
Idea 1) he sages seem to be different just by the apprance of their form. They could just be uninformed, and wanted to eal Ganondorf in the Twilight Realm rather than the Sacred realm.

Idea 2) Perhaps they knew about it, but thought of it as an essential risk to further seperate Ganodorf from the Sacred Realm.

Idea 3) They forgot (couple hundred years) just kdding

Idea 4) Ganondorf somehow escaped, and they had to subdue him ASAP.



It would depend what side of the split you put it on. If you put them both on the adult side, then Bong Bongo would have attacked.

Well, the way I picture it is that during OoT, people knew what was happening, and they recognized the heroes (Sages and Link), while in TP, they are pretty much oblivious, I bet they didn't even have a clue about the sages.

I may have to re read the interview, but I thought it only said TP hundred(s) years after OoT, TWW thouand(s) after OoT. Don't remember it mentioning the endings.

As for Termina, the would be HoT went there, and came back 3 days later. This was probably 3 days after Ganondorf was one of two things attacking or apprehended, depending on your views on the timeline

I kinda view MM as suspended on its own timeline, as it is seperate realm from Hyrule. Although it takes place after the child ending, I kinda think it should have a seperate section of the timeline.

WAIT WAIT WHEN DID TP BECOME HUNDEREDS OF YEAR LATER AND WIND WAKER THOUSANDS TP IS DECADES AND WIND WAKER IS HUNDEREDS

Easy there.

Originally Posted by darklink120

WAIT WAIT WHEN DID TP BECOME HUNDEREDS OF YEAR LATER AND WIND WAKER THOUSANDS TP IS DECADES AND WIND WAKER IS HUNDEREDS

It has been stated by the Blue Swamp himself that TP and WW happen at the same time. They are parrallel. That is why the maps match up so well. TP Hyrule is what WW hyrule would have been had there been no flood. It makes sense that TP happened centuries later: This would give enough time for the arbiter's grounds to be built and fall into ruin. "Decades"' would be anywhere from twenty to ninety years. OoT link would not be known as a "Legendary Hero" in twenty to ninety years. A few centuries, though, would be enough time for the mists of time to swallow up the exact events that happened in OoT Child ending.