[Discussion] Four Sword and The Master Sword

The Four Sword and the Master Sword both have had their battle here in the Timeline placement. Some say the Four Sword came before the Master Sword. Some say the Master Sword did. Some even say they are both the same. But what I am going to tell is what I feel is correct.

The Four Sword. Its made of the 4 elements of the world: Fire, Water, Wind, and Earth. In the TMC (an almost prequel to FS and FSA) we see that the Four Sword (or the Picori Blade) was used to seal demons within a chest. Sounds a bit Master Swordy right? Not by much.

Now the Master Sword. The Blade of Evils bane. The weapon used in most of the Zelda Games to slay Ganon. This blade was mostly evils opposite and used to be a boat through the "River of Time", or an ultimate seal of evil powers.

But are these two blades the same? No. The Master Sword was created by the sages to be Evil's Bane. It was used as a weapon to seal away evil, and maintain peace in Hyrule. The Four Sword was just used to slay Ganon/Vaati in the games it was in.

Oh sure, killing/defeating Ganon maybe make the blades similar. What about the Silver Arrow? It killed Ganon, no?

Now I don't think I heard the Master Sword in the first Zelda game: LoZ. The Silver Arrow was used to slay Ganon. Where's the blade?

My theory is somewhere in the timeline, the Master Sword is shattered and the Four Sword was created by the Elements, but I could be wrong.

Wouldn't that make the Timeline this?:

OoT (Adult) ---tWW---PH---TMC---FS---FSA---LoZ---AoL---AlttP---LA----
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OoT
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OoT (Child) --- MM --- TP

~Timeline 3: OoS---OoA

Now that I said this, do you have anything to say?

That timeline doesn't work. I didn't even have to read it whole to see the first flaw. You placed ALttP before TWW. How? The Triforce is assembled in ALttP and in TWW it's scattered between the 3 wielders again.

It's quite obvious that the two blades aren't the same...

The Master Sword was created by the sages while Picori Blade/White Sword/Four Sword was brought from the sky by none other than the Minish to help the Hero of Men.

The Master Sword can also be found in the oracle games although by many it has been deemed and easter egg so let's not get into that debate again.

ALttP also says "the master sleeps again...forever" (or something close to that) and you have the Master Sword appear again after that.

How could it go from the forest in ALttp, to the castle in tWW and then again back to the forest in the oracle games? And in Twilight Princess we see the Master Sword in a forest grove as well.

Originally Posted by the_Predator

That timeline doesn't work. I didn't even have to read it whole to see the first flaw. You placed ALttP before TWW. How? The Triforce is assembled in ALttP and in TWW it's scattered between the 3 wielders again.

Originally Posted by Cloaked Mystery

It's quite obvious that the two blades aren't the same...

The Master Sword was created by the sages while Four Sword was brought from the sky by none other than the Minish to help the Hero of Men.

The Master Sword can also be found in the oracle games although by many it has been deemed and easter egg so let's not get into that debate again.

ALttP also says "the master sleeps again...forever" (or something close to that) and you have the Master Sword appear again after that.

How could it go from the forest in ALttp, to the castle in tWW and then again back to the forest in the oracle games? And in Twilight Princess we see the Master Sword in a forest grove as well.

I just took a random timeline from quick_silver's post. I just was using it like an example. :/ I guess it was his fault.

Edit: Changed the timeline.
Edit 2: Editted the timeline 3 times now, XD! Need anymore changing?

The Four Sword isn't the Picori blade remember? In TMC you have the white sword, when you get all the elements its becomes the Four Sword. The Picori blade was broken by Vaati.

So, I think the Picori blade is the Master Sword. And if TMC is before aLttP it would make sence.

Originally Posted by exidid

So, I think the Picori blade is the Master Sword.

Even though the sages made the Master Sword
and the Picori made the Picori Blade?

Picori Blade --> White Sword --> Four Sword
----------- Forged -------- 4 elements ---------

Originally Posted by exidid

The Four Sword isn't the Picori blade remember? In TMC you have the white sword, when you get all the elements its becomes the Four Sword. The Picori blade was broken by Vaati.

So, I think the Picori blade is the Master Sword. And if TMC is before aLttP it would make sence.

The Picori blade was broken, I know. But also know this: The White Sword is the Fixed Picori Blade!

Originally Posted by Cloaked Mystery

Even though the sages made the Master Sword
and the Picori made the Picori Blade?

So that would make the sages, the Picori. But that's just a though of a though. If the Master Sword sleeps forever, and the Picori blade is resting...

Originally Posted by exidid

So that would make the sages, the Picori. But that's just a though of a though. If the Master Sword sleeps forever, and the Picori blade is resting...

They aren't the same. I just staed why they are not! And CM was just joking anyways. I beleive the Sages who made the MS were the same one spoken in ALttP, right??

1. this theory doesn't make sense.
2. This theory doesn't make sense.
3. This timeline theory doesn't make sense.

Now that I said this, do you have anything to say?

This theory doesn't make sense.

Oh and why does this say disscussion at the beggining?

so, I think the Picori blade is the Master Sword. And if TMC is before aLttP it would make sence.

Soooo you say OoT comes than the MS transformes into the FS given to the HoM from the piccori and then transformes back into the MS for ALttP?

This doesn't work.

MS = made by Hylians/Hyrulians

FS = Made by Picori.

Originally Posted by Pinecove

1. this theory doesn't make sense.
2. This theory doesn't make sense.
3. This timeline theory doesn't make sense.



This theory doesn't make sense.

Oh and why does this say disscussion at the beggining?

Should I explain this? THIS IS ABOUT THE FOUR SWORD AND THE MASTER SWORD! I thought anyone could get this! I mean, CM and exidid did. All you said you can't understand it. -_-.

Originally Posted by Pinecove

Soooo you say OoT comes than the MS transformes into the FS given to the HoM from the piccori and then transformes back into the MS for ALttP?

This doesn't work.

MS = made by Hylians/Hyrulians

FS = Made by Picori.

I changed the Timeline if you didn't notice. It goes in order of the Master Sword, and suddenly it possibly could have broken, thus meaning that Evil was going to rule. Then the Picori gave the Hero of Men the Picori Blade to fend off the evil!

What can't you not understand?

I'm sorry for the double post and bumping a bit, but I just want to say I have once again editted the timeline.

Originally Posted by Shrukan_Caelestis

Oh sure, killing Ganon maybe make the blades similar. What about the Silver Arrow? It killed Ganon, no?

Except the Four Sword never killed Ganon. :/

Originally Posted by Shrukan_Caelestis

OoT (Adult) ---tWW---PH---LoZ---AoL---AlttP---LA---OoS---OoA---TMC---FS---FSA
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OoT
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OoT (Child) --- MM --- TP /

FSA makes itself an obvious prequel to ALttP, due to FSA setting many things up for ALttP:

- The Forest of Light in FSA becomes the Lost Woods in the game, and ALttP has the Lost Woods.
- The thieves of Kakariko Village in FSA abonden their Kakariko hideout and move into the Lost Woods at the end of the game, which is where they reside in ALttP.
- Ganon first acquires his trident in FSA, which he wields in ALttP.
- Identical geography.
- Possibility of the Four Sword (with Ganon sealed inside it) being sealed in the Sacred Realm at the end of FSA, which would explain how Ganon got into the Sacred Realm shortly before ALttP, as well as why the Four Sword is in the Sacred Realm (Dark World) in ALttP.

This places FSA, and the rest of the FS Saga (TMC and FS) before ALttP.

Originally Posted by exidid

The Four Sword isn't the Picori blade remember? In TMC you have the white sword, when you get all the elements its becomes the Four Sword. The Picori blade was broken by Vaati.

The Picori Blade was broken by Vaati. Link took the shards of the broken Picori Blade to the mountain Minish blacksmith, Melari, who reforged it and gave it a new name: the White Sword. The White was then infused with the four Elements and became the Four Sword.

Originally Posted by exidid

So, I think the Picori blade is the Master Sword. And if TMC is before aLttP it would make sence.

The Picori Blade was made by the Minish.
The Master Sword was made by the ancient sages.

Picori Blade =/= Master Sword

Originally Posted by exidid

So that would make the sages, the Picori. But that's just a though of a though. If the Master Sword sleeps forever, and the Picori blade is resting...

No, it wouldn't. The Master Sword was forged by the ancient sages after the gods commanded them to incase the Triforce was ever claimed by evil. The Picori Blade was forged by the Minish as a gift to the Hero of Men to help him get rid of all the monsters that were attacking Hyrule.

Picori Blade =/= Master Sword


Also, why does this thread have [Discussion] in it's title? That's only for the Bombers threads in the Bombers section.

Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Picori Blade ----> White Sword ----> Four Sword
------------ Forged ----------- 4 elements ---------

This is the best explanation of the "Master Sword =/= Picori Balde or Four Sword"
We saw the minish descend from the sky carrying the Picori Blade itself.

Originally Posted by Sentient

Also, why does this thread have [Discussion] in it's title? That's only for the Bombers threads in the Bombers section.

I'm quite sure anyone can put whatever they want in the topic titles. Tut tut.
(of course no swearing etc. etc.)

Originally Posted by Sentient

Except the Four Sword never killed Ganon. :/

FSA makes itself an obvious prequel to ALttP, due to FSA setting many things up for ALttP:

- The Forest of Light in FSA becomes the Lost Woods in the game, and ALttP has the Lost Woods.
- The thieves of Kakariko Village in FSA abonden their Kakariko hideout and move into the Lost Woods at the end of the game, which is where they reside in ALttP.
- Ganon first acquires his trident in FSA, which he wields in ALttP.
- Identical geography.
- Possibility of the Four Sword (with Ganon sealed inside it) being sealed in the Sacred Realm at the end of FSA, which would explain how Ganon got into the Sacred Realm shortly before ALttP, as well as why the Four Sword is in the Sacred Realm (Dark World) in ALttP.

This places FSA, and the rest of the FS Saga (TMC and FS) before ALttP.

Some just PM'd me awhile ago about that so I'll change that. *scribbles out timeline and fixes*.

Also, why does this thread have [Discussion] in it's title? That's only for the Bombers threads in the Bombers section.

I made that error. *laughs it off*

BTW, As the Oracles can happen anywhere, I think they should be placed in a THIRD timeline, since I was thinking they could be placed in either Adult or Child. Child because they were in MM and Adult... Well I dunno O.o (thinks: how did they come back?? O.O)