Termina: An earlier split of hyrule

At the end of OoT, Zelda splits the timeline with the use of the Ocarina of time. Is this the first, last, and only time this happens? Perhaps. But, what of Termina? How much is it seperated from hyrule? There are definite smilarities between the two games. One cannot say that Termina and hyrule have nothing to do with one another. The LoZ universe is governed by gods, and demi-gods, and these deities try to shape the destiny of the world, so it won't destroy itself.

People believe that the similarites between the Fused Shadows and Majora's Mask are just an easter egg. But, if they are just an easter egg, why would it be so subtle? Only someone who has really looked at Majora's mask, and the fused shadows can notice the subtle similarities. The 'beard' like curling tedrils of the first peice, and the second. The 'horns' that jut out from the top of the helmet. The twili were probably once hylian, but changed by their prolonged exposure to the magical properties of the Twilight Realm.

The powerful "Fused Shadow" is a giant mask. In termina, the most powerful objects are masks. People's undying feelings turn into masks. The whole game is revolved around a mysteriouse mask. Termina itself has a dark aura about, especially Ikana.

What I'm getting at is this: That the twili somehow split the timeline with their actions. Perhaps Nayru (godess of law, hence time) had a soft spot for them, and split the timeline so they wouldn't have to be seperated from the light, similarly to how Zelda had pity on Link, and split the timeline so he could live out his childhood. The twili would have been kicked out of the sacred realm, yet not banished completly from this world. Hence, they would have used their powers
to gain dominence in this world.

Conversely, perhaps the Twili were banished by the godesses specificly because they didn't want to let them die out in Termina. Perhaps, they sealed them away so their decendants could live in a peaceful manor, basking in twilight for all eternity.

People have thought that Majora's Mask and the Fused Shadows are linked merely as an easter egg. This may be true, but it is our job as theorists to try to give reason to scetchy ideas. The timeline is not our only concern.

In the Oldest structure in Termina, The Stone Tower, There are blocks that are activated by switches. There is another thread somwhere that talks more about this, but for my purposes, it only needs to be said that the stone tower was built as a mockery of the godesses, and their power. Had the twili not been banished, they would have probably remained in their original state. The Fused Shadows were supposed to rival the Triforce in power. That is why they were created. The twili scorned the godesses, thinking that they could take the sacred realm as their own. It's stated in the trippy explanation given to you by the Spirit Lanayru.

So, if the timeline was split at this time, and the twili were not banished, the power of the Twili would have grown, the Fused Shadows probably would have been given more and more power, becoming nearly sencient in their power, and they would have become a great kingdom. Hyrule would never have been founded, and the people would have resorted to primative tribal life.

I think that the "Terminian Twili" were the Ikanians. The Ikana were the builders of the stone tower, long ago, and were punished for it. The mask that they used in power would have been neglected out of disuse, and left alone for thousands of years. Having lost it's masters, it would have undertaken the task of destroying everything it could, like it was designed to.

You could say that the mask was only folowing it's programing. It was a weapon of destruction. "An ancient tribe used it in hexing rituals" is what the mask salesmen said. Left to it's own devices, it would perform it's duty to the maximum potential. Thus, when Majora's Mask is released, it quickly finds a host, by which to enact it's plan of glorious destruction. Sorta like Kefka in FFVI.

So, to recap, this is what we've got:

Termina is an alternate dimension, one in which the "Interlopers" were never banished.

The "Interlopers" take over what would have been hyrule, and build a great and mighty kingdom, Ikana.

The Ikana build a tower to glorify themselves, saying that they do not need the godessess, or the triforce, they have the Mask.

The godessess throw down Ikana. Majora's Mask, a weapon of mass destruction, no longer has any master over it. It waits until the day it can fufill it's mandate, and destroy all.

Thus, MM is played out on the N64.

EDIT:http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/...na-doomed.html Pics in this thread clearly show that it glorifyed the power of Majora, and scorned the power of the Triforce (Triforce on the tongues of statues, a statue of Majora's Wrath's face)
Majora's Wrath:


Triforce tongues:
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o...e/snap0786.jpg

Hmmm...
A few things I though about right away:

It is an accursed item from legend that is said to have been
used by an ancient tribe in its hexing rituals... the ancient ones, fearing such
catastrophe, sealed the mask in shadow forever, preventing its misuse.

The tribe that made Majora's Mask were not evil or stupid. They recognised what they made and dealt with it. They were not blasphemous or treacheous like the Twili.

Also (a minor detail), you seem to be confusing the Ikana and the Stone Tower Architects. The Ikanas were just an unucky Kingdom set up nearby, they didn't build the Temple;

Believing in your friends and embracing that belief by forgiving failure...
These feelings have vanished from our hearts. It all happened after somebody
thrust open the doors of that Stone Tower. You who bring light into darkness, I am the King of Ikana Kingdom, Igos du Ikana.

Still, the resemblance between the ST architects and Twili are quite interesting, aren't they? Both ancient tribes had no repect for the Gods or their works, both challanged the Gods with dark powers, and both were eventually struck from the face of the earth. Gonna have to think on this...

One thing, I don't think you realize exactly how a split timeline works. It's not a conscious decision by someone to say "oh, I'll just split the timeline". No, there have to be two conflicting events happening at the same time for it to split. Originally, Link was sealed in the Sacred Realm and didn't awaken until seven years later, and defeated Ganondorf. When he goes back in time afterwards, instead of being sealed in the Sacred Realm, Zelda and Link let things play out differently. That's what splits the timeline. The fact that in the past, Link is sealed in the Sacred Realm, but also not. This could not be the past of one future. So, the timeline splits at the point of difference to reconcile them. One future continues with one past, the other with the other. Since that's the case, unless time travel is involved, the timeline won't split. Termina is a world parallel to Hyrule. Time travel doesn't need to be involved for worlds to be parallel.

With Pie's quotes in mind, it makes sense to say that the Ikana had no part in the building of the temple. That leaves room for the twili to build it. Also, it never says who made the mask. After the twili were destroyed, the Ikana could have used the mask, but feared how powerful it was, and hid it away instead.

Originally Posted by Ogmios22188

One thing, I don't think you realize exactly how a split timeline works. It's not a conscious decision by someone to say "oh, I'll just split the timeline". No, there have to be two conflicting events happening at the same time for it to split. Originally, Link was sealed in the Sacred Realm and didn't awaken until seven years later, and defeated Ganondorf. When he goes back in time afterwards, instead of being sealed in the Sacred Realm, Zelda and Link let things play out differently. That's what splits the timeline. The fact that in the past, Link is sealed in the Sacred Realm, but also not. This could not be the past of one future. So, the timeline splits at the point of difference to reconcile them. One future continues with one past, the other with the other. Since that's the case, unless time travel is involved, the timeline won't split. Termina is a world parallel to Hyrule. Time travel doesn't need to be involved for worlds to be parallel.

I never said time travel was nessasary. The split in timelines could have been a last ditch effort by the twili to escape the clutches of the godesses. But, instead of escaping to a world similar to Hyrule, they just split the timeline, making a universe where they did, and a universe where they didn't escape.

We don't know the extant of the powers of Majora's Mask. Only the Original Creators of the mask knew that, and they might not have been the same as the tribe spoken about by the Mask Salesman.

EDIT: Majora's Mask might have power over time, as well.

Originally Posted by demon_link

But, instead of escaping to a world similar to Hyrule, they just split the timeline, making a universe where they did, and a universe where they didn't escape.

This can't be done without time travel.

Why? This is not a logcially/physically induced split, its a magically induced one. Completely seperate idea. This is Fanon Ogmios, not strict theory. Its all good...

Everything concerining the begining of Termina has to be fanon. I just decided to link the twili to it.

Originally Posted by mmmmm_PIE

Why? This is not a logcially/physically induced split, its a magically induced one. Completely seperate idea. This is Fanon Ogmios, not strict theory. Its all good...

I was under the impression that this was the "Timeline and Other Theories" section, so I will argue things from that impression. Now, if he had posted this in the fanfic section, well...

Fine. I'll ask a mod to put this in fanfic, if you're going to be that way.

Grrr...

Edit: I am a fool. Majora's Mask is too out on the fringes of LoZ canon to even begin speculating anything about it. I have tried, and failed, miserably.

Don't take that from him! I really liked the theory and even Hylian Dan had considered that the Stone Tower and the Twili were somehow connected. So do not feel bad, I for one enjoyed reading the theory you don't see enough about Majora's Mask, in my opinion.

Thank you, Xu Yuan. I really should address the mask itself more, though...

Linking the Twili just makes the series that much more in depth. I like this theory alot honestly, if this is true...then it could easily bring the series together. I also noticed that Midna used a trident when she attacked Ganondorf. Could that be a sign of where Ganon got his trident from?

It was more like a huge, double ended spear/javalin, rather than a trident. Ganon got the trident in FSA. Honestly, have you ever played the game?

I don't want to play the game, because I simply don't like it. The whole FS idea is a dumb idea that needs to be put to rest, and I imagine it will due to its horrible sales.

Originally Posted by DakZhul

I don't want to play the game, because I simply don't like it. The whole FS idea is a dumb idea that needs to be put to rest, and I imagine it will due to its horrible sales.

Okay, but the thing is, you have to understand that even though you don't like it, that doesn't undermine it's importance or canonicity. FSA was made totally by Nintendo. FS was made by Nintendo and Flagship, which is an independent company funded by Capcom, Nintendo, and Sega. tMC was all Flagship, but all games were supervised by Miyamoto, so they're quite canon.

I'm not completly convinced. I can see somethings working, but I think this isn't quite right. The main reason is I think Termina might be linked to the sacred realm, so long as the Tri Force- which consists divine essesnce- exists outside of time. The way I figure is this. Link had the Triforce on his hand as an adult, thereby he had contact with it. Then when he went back to child and went to MM, Ganon's wish was gone, while his thoughts (aswell as Zelda's) lived on in the Triforce outside of time. This being said, the tri force reflected their thoughts, thus creating the image of Hyrule in the form of Termina. Granted their are holes, such as Termina's begining, since it obviously has an ancient past, and how Majora's Mask came from wishes of a pure heart.

It's just a thought, but I'm thinking the Twili would be closer to the geurdo or hylian than Terminians.

The reason why I don't think the Gerudo's are the Twili..is because there is still some gerudo in TP. Take a look at Telma. Darker skin, red hair, random markings on her face. That to me, looks like a typical Gerudo...you'll also notice that the fortune teller looks very similar as well.

Originally Posted by DakZhul

The reason why I don't think the Gerudo's are the Twili..is because there is still some gerudo in TP. Take a look at Telma. Darker skin, red hair, random markings on her face. That to me, looks like a typical Gerudo...you'll also notice that the fortune teller looks very similar as well.

We don't know that. And telma has pointy ears. Gerudos don't have pointy ears.

The gerudo were probably executed along with ganondorf. Those that weren't, most likely fled into the deep desert, and might have found another land beyond said desert. No-one knows what's beyond the desert (the old guy said it was the end of the world), so the gerudo might still exist.

EDIT: If they weren't executed, they were probably the reason the Arbiter's grounds were built.