Aonuma confirms split timeline? (again)

Originally Posted by Cloaked Mystery

We'll see about that. Every man has his price and a fancy splittist elder banner is always nice. Why not join up with the ASE and pursue wisdom and truth from the correct side this time. Look at all your achievements with an incorrect time line. Imagine what you all could do on the side with the right type of time line....I would be honored to have you all as members. (holds out hand) join me wise men.....

Achievements, nonetheless. Look back at the world's greatest scientists and philosophers. They made brilliant discoveries, despite them having a flawed perspective of things. We proved that it is possible for theorists to work together for a common goal instead of attack each other to prove their own personal beliefs.

He who always joins the winning side is bound to lose.

Originally Posted by Master of ALttP

Not you too... *sigh* Oh well, it doesn't really matter.

I hate to say this but, your approach to this resembles religion. We have to move on if this thing turns out to be official. There is no point in closing your eyes from progess and new discoveries, that only leads in regressiveness.

Slur.exe is able to translate Japanese. We can have him translate tomorrow, if he doesn't take it upon himself to do it before we have to tell him to.

By "him" you meant "her" right?

This is a big moment, huh? Could be the fall of the uwm...could be the rise of the ase.

Cloaked Mystery. Frankly, Im ashamed. Instead of trying to convince your enemies that maybe their timeline could be right, you instead kick them when theyre down. In fact, it was you whom originally began this idea of an 'anti-uwm'.

uhhh isn't slur.exe a guy? (goes to check profile)
Shouldn't you all wait for historian? It seems rude to accept all this before he even gets here.

How dare you lost.hero! It was I who pioneered for splittist wise men relations. Even in my group details PM it was stated that none would ever insult the wise men or risk being kicked out. I have always had the highest regards for their time line and the theory. (hits with staff)

I am only trying to get them to join the splittist rather than abandon everything.

Originally Posted by Uncle Meat

I hate to say this but, your approach to this resembles religion. We have to move on if this thing turns out to be official. There is no point in closing your eyes from progess and new discoveries, that only leads in regressiveness.

Yes, I am trying to work on that. I must keep an open view of this, despite me not agreeing with it. Hm.. Religious, you say? I've got to work on that. It's just that this thing's got me frustrated right now. It is human nature to not accept you are wrong.

By "him" you meant "her" right?

Slur's a girl? Hm... I thought Slur's profile said "male" on it. I'm off to check that...

Edit: Slur is indeed a guy. You must be thinking of Sun Guardian. She's a girl.

Originally Posted by Lost.Hero

This is a big moment, huh? Could be the fall of the uwm...could be the rise of the ase.

No, we shall never fall. We shall simply accept, adjust, and move on. I'm currently still in one of the earlier phases of doing so. Let's see... Yes, that'd be the denial stage that I'm getting through.

Cloaked Mystery. Frankly, Im ashamed. Instead of trying to convince your enemies that maybe their timeline could be right, you instead kick them when theyre down. In fact, it was you whom originally began this idea of an 'anti-uwm'.

Our timeline could be right, if the developers had taken more time to look into things. Instead, they went for the easy way out in saying there's a split timeline. Now they aren't bound to explaining the timeline and instead have a complete branch in which ALttP never happens, thus the Master Sword can be used in as many games as Miyamoto likes.

The UWM is not going to collapse, it's going to evolve. Unless LoZHistorian disbands, in that case several parties are going emerge and try to take over ZU.

Originally Posted by Black Omnimon

The UWM is not going to collapse, it's going to evolve. Unless LoZHistorian disbands, in that case several parties are going emerge and try to take over ZU.

If Historian disbands from us, then we shall simply reorganize ourselves. We already have rules in place for deciding the new leader, and I know we could find replacement members. As to smaller parties trying to take over, it's not going to happen. The only group which could have possibly hoped to do so were we, the UWM, and we know that the mods wouldn't dare let such a thing happen. It's not like we actually tried or anything. They just thought we were becoming power-hungry. Hardly possible, seeing as one of them is a practitioner of Zen and cares not one bit about power or control.

Despite the article supporting a split, what much difference is there from this and the UWM timeline?

MM and TP can be properly placed away from the rest of the series onto a separate branch (of course however this is merely my split theory).

I await to see what Historian's reactions will be.

Originally Posted by Black Omnimon

The UWM is not going to collapse, it's going to evolve. Unless LoZHistorian disbands, in that case several parties are going emerge and try to take over ZU.

Even if LOZ H disbands, the UWM should still live on. MoA is right, Nintendo is once again taking the easy way out. If it were a split timeline form the beginning why wouldnt they have revealed this to us? And if they were being wise and not giving an official timeline, why do so now?

Originally Posted by Riddle of Steel

Despite the article supporting a split, what much difference is there from this and the UWM timeline?

MM and TP can be properly placed away from the rest of the series onto a separate branch (of course however this is merely my split theory).

I await to see what Historian's reactions will be.

This may be all we'll end up doing. There's no reason to completely rearrange our timeline. In fact, Nintendo probably wants the timeline like that. We have a complete history of Hyrule on one side, complete and consistent, and the other side is now ready for fresh and new ideas. Well, however "fresh" and "new" things ever get in a Nintendo game, at least.

The split time line is not the easy way out!! lol
It takes just as much knowledge to decide which time line to put games in than it does to just put them all in one.

Originally Posted by Bingo675

Even if LOZ H disbands, the UWM should still live on. MoA is right, Nintendo is once again taking the easy way out. If it were a split timeline form the beginning why wouldnt they have revealed this to us? And if they were being wise and not giving an official timeline, why do so now?

Maybe because they don't wanna waste their precious time having to fix all the inconsistencies created through the older Zelda games

They're a big company Nintendo, and they can do whatever they please with the timeline. Just because they figure to take the "easy way out", doesn't make it wrong. It makes it more logical and explainable in certain terms.

Originally Posted by Master of ALttP

This may be all we'll end up doing. There's no reason to completely rearrange our timeline. In fact, Nintendo probably wants the timeline like that. We have a complete history of Hyrule on one side, complete and consistent, and the other side is now ready for fresh and new ideas. Well, however "fresh" and "new" things ever get in a Nintendo game, at least.

This is EXACTLY why I believe Nintendo would intend to go with a split timeline, to clear up any inconsistency made through Zelda lore in their games. Now they can focus on building from the Child Timeline

Originally Posted by Cloaked Mystery

The split time line is not the easy way out!! lol
It takes just as much knowledge to decide which time line to put games in than it does to just put them all in one.

It is the easy way out. We now return to what the UWM timeline was before the release of TP: TP and MM essentially just break away on their own timeline after OoT. In doing so, we have one complete timeline, the adult timeline, and one incomplete timeline, the child timeline. Nintendo is now free to do whatever they please on the child timeline, as it only has MM and TP on it.

How do you decide which time line to put all the other games into....both end with a dead Ganondorf.

Originally Posted by Cloaked Mystery

How do you decide which time line to put all the other games into....both end with a dead Ganondorf.

I agreed to be part of the ASE, but I have yet to see the grand Timeline plan you guys have made up.

My theory is in my signature. As told, only MM and TP seem to "logically fit away" from the adult timeline. The rest contain far too much lore to be driven away from the adult timeline, and so they shall remain there.

Originally Posted by Cloaked Mystery

How do you decide which time line to put all the other games into....both end with a dead Ganondorf.

Perhaps they killed off Ganondorf in TP, only to bring that 2nd timeline to an end.

Originally Posted by Cloaked Mystery

How do you decide which time line to put all the other games into....both end with a dead Ganondorf.

There is the Triforce, you know. The Triforce, presumably, returns to the Sacred Realm at the end of TWW. At the end of TP, however, everyone seems to keep their pieces. Except Ganondorf. We don't know what happens to his yet.

I see I see. Then wouldn't you just be supporting the ASE anyway.... I mean you are essentially taking our time line.....

Originally Posted by Cloaked Mystery

I see I see. Then wouldn't you just be supporting the ASE anyway.... I mean you are essentially taking our time line.....

Seeing as the UWM did temporarily support this timeline, I see no need to join up with you. *sets fire to the pieces of the ASE application*

Originally Posted by Cloaked Mystery

I see I see. Then wouldn't you just be supporting the ASE anyway.... I mean you are essentially taking our time line.....

Our timeline is still being questioned by our own members! We are not in any place to boast about our timeline!