Aonuma confirms split timeline? (again)

There are some people who believed that the article is fake. This is to address those people. TSA talked to NOA and they confirmed the interview took place.

Originally Posted by Raian

There are some people who believed that the article is fake. This is to address those people. TSA talked to NOA and they confirmed the interview took place.

I see TSA confirmed it with NOA. This perfectly ensures everything then.

There's no reason to move the discussion to another thread. Let's keep it all contained, shall we?

*merges*

I laugh at this whole thing. Lex, you've been a splittist barely five minutes and you're already debating inconsistencies in the split timeline. Even with Aonuma's word on it, that doesn't erase all these inconsistencies, most of which that he's responsible for, seeing as how he directed the series since OoT. Just shows how good he is at organising a timeline, as well as how reliable he is when it comes to the timeline.

If most of the UWM turn to the split timeline, then so will I, but I will always be a linearist at heart. I will defend the UWM linear timeline in linear debates, but I will defend the UWM split timeline when I can, since I do not want to betray my friends.

But I will say this: I can almost guarantee you that at some time or another, Aonuma will contradict this, like he has with a lot of the things he has said. However, until such a time, then I must do as my friends, and embrace the split timeline. The UWM split timeline will most probably be this:

Child Timeline:
OoT/MM-TP

Adult Timeline:
OoT-TWW/PH-TMC-FS/FSA-ALttP/LA-(Oracles)-LoZ/AoL-(Oracles)

It's exactly the same as our linear timeline, except split, so I guess it isn't that much of a change. I will do as I have always done, and defend the UWM theory, but I will always be linear at heart.

I think the UWM Council should have a vote on this issue, to officially decide whether or not to go splittist.

And about LOZ Historian. I'll just say this. When you hear him coming, just run. Run as fast as your legs will carry you, because I expect a rather large explosion radiating from him .

Well, based on the musings of some people here (I really like these Zelda forums... there's actual debating and discussion going on), I'd say that there are only 3 triforce pieces, even across times and universes.

Why? Because in Twilight Princess it is said that Ganondorf has the power of the goddesses by some Divine Prank. We could possibly assume that the divine prank is referring to Ganondorf obtaining the Triforce of Power in the OTHER ending of OoT. Perhaps the reason behind the prank is that the Triforce exists over all possible fabrics of time.

Also, further proof behind Ganon being executed and the power passing on to Zant and not Ganon being executed and retaining that power, is that the sages in TP specifically say that he was executed and that his power gets passed on to Zant, who then destroys the Twilight Mirror.


Thankfully, NOA confirmed this interview, and yet another translator came to the same conclusion.

Originally Posted by MDK

Even animals know when to give up, demon_link. Be gracious and accept it. There's no point in milking it any more, the cow is dead.

Evil never wins, yet evil still tries.

Sentient, what you're saying is akin to insisting that the world is flat when we know damn well that it's round. Linearism is dead. Accept it.

And I don't see any reason to run from Historian. I can only hope he takes this better than you and Master have.

Originally Posted by demon_link

Evil never wins, yet evil still tries.

So true. And more's the pity.

Originally Posted by demon_link

I will go down with you, my brother theorist (Summon's dragon's wings, and draws two Atlantean Scimitart)! I shall drag twenty splitists to hell with me for every United Ally, Knight, and Wiseman!!!!

master would disagree with that.*goes showing evidence*

Originally Posted by Cloaked Mystery

And now I suppose we, the splittists are only opposed by a sitting wise man?

Originally Posted by Master of ALttP

Peaceful protest. Violence and aggression never solve a thing. They only lead to more violence and aggression.

You should rather sit next to master who is asleep right now...

If there is no way to revive the Single timeline, I would like to offer my condolences too the linearists.

Just...don't send Historian after us...he is scares me more than the shadow temple in my younger days...

Originally Posted by demon_link

Evil never wins, yet evil still tries.

Evil ALWAYS triumphs over Good, because GOOD is DUMB!

(Sorry, just had to!!)

Anyway, I just hope Historian doesn't hurt himself over this...

...and don't be afraid of him :0S That's just..weird..

Perhaps the reason behind the prank is that the Triforce exists over all possible fabrics of time.

I like that.

I agree with BBD on the multiple Triforce thing. As far as I'm concerned:

Originally Posted by Highlander

There can only be ONE!!!

Originally Posted by MDK

Sentient, what you're saying is akin to assisting that the world is flat when we know damn well that it's round. Linearism is dead. Accept it.

*looks at post*
Question: Did you read my post?

Originally Posted by Sentient

If most of the UWM turn to the split timeline, then so will I, but I will always be a linearist at heart. I will defend the UWM linear timeline in linear debates, but I will defend the UWM split timeline when I can, since I do not want to betray my friends.

Originally Posted by Sentient

But I will say this: I can almost guarantee you that at some time or another, Aonuma will contradict this, like he has with a lot of the things he has said. However, until such a time, then I must do as my friends, and embrace the split timeline.

I have accepted it, but it seems you haven't accepted that I've accepted it.

Originally Posted by MDK

And I don't see any reason to run from Historian. I can only hope he takes this better than you and Master have.

The only reason I "didn't take this well" at first is because I didn't pay attention to what Aonuma was saying about TP and TWW in correlation to each other. Had I read the interview properly first time round, then I wouldn't have "not taken this well". When I realised what Aonuma was saying, I did take it well, which is evident in my above post, since I said I will defend the UWM split timeline, but I will always be a linearist at heart.

T_T
THAT FAT UGLY JERK! (okay, he's not fat, but he's ugly!) **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** ****
I didn't really swear I just hit the * button four times, copied then pasted.

I WILL NEVER EXCEPT THE SPLIT TIMELINE

Originally Posted by Sentient

I have accepted it, but it seems you haven't accepted that I've accepted it.

Don't do it.

Baka na! (Impossible)

I'll never be a splitist...I'm going to hold Aonuma at gun point if I have to -_-;

I bet Aonuma doesn't even look at Zelda as good as we do, we know more than him. Therefore I'll never be dragged in--yet there is a part of me that likes the split timeline. But NEVER.

Okay, I had my time. Slur will disappear during the time of need (just like how Link didn't show and the earth got flooded.)

Originally Posted by LexLionHart

Questions that need to be answered (again, presuming the legitimacy of the source; if the source is legitimate, Aonuma was specific enough that I would embrace a split timeline):

I know Lex is gone, or presumably, but I think this is a good starting point for both guilds. First of all, once again, its Nindori.com, don't get much more legit than that

-- Why and when do the three chosen bearers of the Triforce receive the respective Triforces (in the child timeline)?

I think this has already been basically covered *looks* yep, evidently Ganon still got the triforce of power. We can speculate all we want about how exactly that happened, but seeing as how he himself didn't know he still got it until his execution, I think it's safe to say it's obvious that TP Link got the mark because he was of the hero's bloodline, and the marks still played a big role in TP = that's because the two children had the mark at the end of OoT

-- Since the ancient hero chosen by the goddesses mentioned in TP is decidedly not Adult OoT Link, who is he?

I'm not going to pretend to have all the answers, anyone care to jump in? As for PH, if it shows that TMC is a prequal to it, then you will have your answer; the ancient hero could be TMC Link, or the HoM. That's my answer, but if somehow we've proved this quote of Aonuma's true, and Aonuma's quote about FS being first false, then there WILL be this conundrum.

-- What exactly happened after Link met Zelda as a child to allow for Ganondorf's capture?

Other than what we know happened in TP afterwards, I don't think the rest is that important. Maybe a later game will put more detail into it. Untill then, any theory would be speculative and nonessential.

-- How did Ganon escape the Sacred Realm seal (in TWW BS)? How did he escape the seal of the gods [without the use of his magic]? Since he escaped TWW's seal while the seal still remained intact, can we say the same for the Sacred Realm seal?
-- Who hid the Triforce across the Great Sea in TWW? Was it hidden before or after Ganondorf's second attack?

Uhhhh, was he sealed in the Adult ending? I thought he was killed... anyone care to add to this? If he was not sealed, then he was simply revived, and it doesn't really say how, save for a few references in tWW, I'll try to find those quotes...

-- How long before OoT were the Twili sealed in the Twilight Realm? Were the Twili related to Majora's Mask?

I've been thinking about this too. Two tribes that were cursed by the goddesses for housing their old magic in a very powerfull mask... Sounds like similar stories to me... Also, anyone notice that there's a skull kid in TP? Sounds like more than a cameo to me now...

-- Is the Dark Mirror the Mirror of Twilight?
NOTE: If the Dark Mirror is the Mirror of Twilight, FSA occurs on the Adult timeline, which would make it incredibly likely that ALttP does also.

I wasn't sure if this was referring to FSA being a sequal to TP, since, as Lex says, the mirror was destroyed at the end of TP, so I'm guessing he's saying the mirror existed on both timelines, and it was used for different things...

-- Is the great war against evil referenced in ALttP (the SW, basically, although the original story has been magically removed from the Aonuma-produced remake) in the Child timeline or the Adult timeline?
NOTE: Largely dependent on whether or not the TP Hero's bloodline is the same as the Knight's bloodline.

You guys have said it took place closer to the time of AlttP, not OoT, I think all this still makes sense.

-- Is the FSA Dark World a corrupted version of the Sacred Realm?

Or is it the twilight realm? The fact that Links in the realm look something like shadows in the light world... seems to suggest the properties of a twilight realm...

-- Can the Sleeping Zelda story originate from TWW (presuming it applies to an Adult timeline)?
NOTE: This more or less boils down to whether or not TWW Zelda has a sibling/siblings, as well as the fate of the Triforce post-TWW.

I still hold to my AoL BS first theory, though I don't understand... are you saying the sleeping zelda is Tetra's sister? I don't see why this is nesessary, even by your reckoning.

-- What is the significance of the emphasis the King of Hyrule placed on finding someone worthy of bearing the ToC? Could this possibly be evidence for a long line of Hero-kings ruling with the Triforce who were selected in this way? Does this relate in any way to the mark of the hero in the Oracles?

Why does supporting a split timeline change anything about these theories... I guess I don't understand.

The cool thing is that not all of the single-timeline ideas have to go to waste. The advancements in the ideas about the Great Flood and a potential conenction between TWW and the 2D games can still stand.

I agree, you linearists have done a great job with the 2d games, and my arguement still stands that most of the games exist in the same timeline and indeed are dependant on one another.

Considering that Aonuma's work has consisted of games that the UWM have worked out as potentially repairing the somewhat broken connection between OoT and ALttP that existed before TWW/FS series, it's possible that TWW and the FS series have served as finishing touches to the "Adult timeline" (with PH hopefully closing the book on it for good), while the new storyline set forth by TP will start a second entirely new branch of the series.

I'm glad to see you're seeing things RoS's and my way... Aonuma has done a standup job of repairing the timeline in a way that can be endorsed by Nintendo, that's what he said his original goal was, clear back around the time of FS. He's put his finishing stamp on the old franchise games and ended things quite nicely there, and at the same time created a new timeline where he's free to continue the timeline in a nice linear fashion, it's great for everybody, and this is a theory that I've always endorsed that should have made sense from when I first started posting here, but nobodie's listened to me until now...

Of course, the TWW-2D perspective could be totally wrong, and the "new storyline" could follow TWW's arc instead.

Yes, this could be one of the big challenges of the newly formed ASE, deciding if our official timeline will put most games after TP, or tWW... I think they go after tWW, as the UWM have said in the past, but CM seems to think they go after TP, and as of right now, I'm pretty sure both are possible... I think the crux is connecting AlttP BS with one or the other. Once again, I'm open for discussion here.

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Originally Posted by Sentient

*looks at post*
Question: Did you read my post?

I certainly did.

Originally Posted by Sentient

I will always be a linearist at heart.

And that's what I was getting at. I don't see the point.

To Slur.exe:

Not to pour gunpowder into a wound and then light it aflame, but if you will never except the split timeline, then that means that you will never not accept it... am I right?? Or did you just confuse me with your masterful use of the English language? :0o

*decides to look stupid for a moment*

What does NOA stand for?
And what does TSA's name stand for?

Thank you <(_ _)>


EDIT: I have 6 alter ego's to tend to, not everyone of them agree.

Originally Posted by Slur.exe

*decides to look stupid for a moment*

What does NOA stand for?
And what does TSA's name stand for?

Thank you <(_ _)>

NOA = Nintendo of America
TSA = The Silent Assassin (i.e. Link)

This interview makes me quite happy. I have a few friends who can look it over too but I believe we have definately confirmed it's validity and what it says.

I personally expect a long-winded, not nessessarily needed, somewhat pointless, spiralling arguement from LOZ Historian. I highly doubt he will concede and if he does, I will no longer think of him as a close minded human being.

Originally Posted by Raian

NOA = Nintendo of America
TSA = The Silent Assassin (i.e. Link)

I knew that...No seriously I did, I just forgot in my RAGING STORM!!!

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