A Helpful Guide to Understanding Others' Timelines, and Revealing Yours.

To be honest, the real difference is the exact opposite views that your two types 'current game line up' and 'open ended' theories created. a subset is almost needed, with just those two juxtaposed, because those two theories represtent what all theorists think, they either think of the timeline as a completed picture and all games going somewhere between, or they think of the timeline as a maluable thing that will only be finished when all the games are made.

And also, the difference between final product and consumer's timeline is that basically consumer theorists think there is no actual timeline, and that develpers have no idea where the games should go, and only our theorizing can make a timeline that makes sense of the world that is zelda, while final products theorists generally believe that the develpers had an idea, but that it changes because of the mechanics that the game playability affects.

"TMC>FS>FSA>OoT>MM>TP>TWW>PH>ALttP>LA>LoZ>AoL"

FSA Ganon: "Ancient Demon reborn".
Aonuma quotes placing FS as "first story": Unfounded--Aonuma admits to having nothing to do with either FS or the story of FSA (see the Timeline Glossary Creator Quotes section)

Please re-justify the placements of FS and FSA accordingly.

Originally Posted by LexLionHart

FSA Ganon: "Ancient Demon reborn".
Aonuma quotes placing FS as "first story": Unfounded--Aonuma admits to having nothing to do with either FS or the story of FSA (see the Timeline Glossary Creator Quotes section)

Please re-justify the placements of FS and FSA accordingly.

Uh... no. And... what does this have to do with this thread?

Edit: I really hope your title is a joke and that you really don't think the abbreviation of Assistant is "Ass."

Originally Posted by Froboy

Edit: I really hope your title is a joke and that you really don't think the abbreviation of Assistant is "Ass."

He suppose to be my "Eecutive Advisor (Associate)" for the UWM. But hes always being facicous and does these things. lol Oh well.

Originally Posted by Froboy

Uh... no. And... what does this have to do with this thread?

Edit: I really hope your title is a joke and that you really don't think the abbreviation of Assistant is "Ass."

That's just the way Lex is. He wanted his Executive Associate banner to be humorous, so he had "Exec. Ass.". The UWM aren't all serious you know, we are rather light-hearted when we want to be .

Originally Posted by Froboy

Uh... no. And... what does this have to do with this thread?

Ganon's "first" appearance is as the "ancient demon reborn"?

Wouldn't him being "reborn" suggest a prior appearance?

Originally Posted by LexLionHart

Ganon's "first" appearance is as the "ancient demon reborn"?

Wouldn't him being "reborn" suggest a prior appearance?

Not if that ancient demon was not named Ganon, and thus never appeared in a game.

Originally Posted by mohammedali

Not if that ancient demon was not named Ganon, and thus never appeared in a game.

Oh come on. Do I have to find a quote to show you? Zelda said that it was an ancient demon reborn, and she called him Ganon like that was his propper respective name.

Originally Posted by mohammedali

Not if that ancient demon was not named Ganon, and thus never appeared in a game.

Do you have proof that the ancient demon was not Ganon?

Originally Posted by mohammedali

Not if that ancient demon was not named Ganon, and thus never appeared in a game.

So what is this ancient demon reborn, who is not Ganon? Where is the alternative?

please read that long post of mine in the 'disproving TMC coming first' thread. That will be your evidence for FS and TMC coming first, and we have pretty much classified froboy's pre OoT timeline (or specifically his FSA pre OoT placement) as a fanfic timeline (please refer to the timeline guide for reference) so please stop badgering him about it. If you have more questions about TMC and FSA please post on that thread, not here. You posted completely off topic Lex.

Originally Posted by quick_silver20

please read that long post of mine in the 'disproving TMC coming first' thread. That will be your evidence for FS and TMC coming first, and we have pretty much classified froboy's pre OoT timeline (or specifically his FSA pre OoT placement) as a fanfic timeline (please refer to the timeline guide for reference) so please stop badgering him about it. If you have more questions about TMC and FSA please post on that thread, not here. You posted completely off topic Lex.

No no QS, let them come, I have a perfectly logical explination, and it doesn't require much fan-fic.

Originally Posted by LexLionHart

So what is this ancient demon reborn, who is not Ganon? Where is the alternative?

The monsters in TMC's BS were referred to as Demons. With TMC's BS being long ago, they can be referred to as Ancient Demons. It's possible Zelda was referring to them as a whole being reborn as Ganon, or the possibility that there was a Demon Leader in TMC's BS that was rebron as Ganon, both explain it fine.

Also, just to add my thoughts:

Originally Posted by FSA_trident_tablet

Seek you the world?
Seek you the power?
Does your soul despise peace and thirst for more?
Does your soul cry for destruction and conquest?
We grant you the power to ruin the world. The power of darkness.
Evil... spirit of magic trident.
You are the king of darkness.

Ganon... This beast was once of the gerudo... once human. He was called Ganondorf!
King of darkness, ancient demon reborn. The weilder of the trident!!

I believe that this points to the fact that the weilder of the trident is the ancient demon reborn and not Ganondorf himself. The spirit of the trident's power is evil, the king of darkness.

I don't believe that there is any other interpretation and since we speculate that the trident was made by the people cast into the shadow/twilight realm then i guess it's just a very evil form of magic to fuel those with dark intent.

Originally Posted by LexLionHart

So what is this ancient demon reborn, who is not Ganon? Where is the alternative?

Originally Posted by ZeldaGamer21

Do you have proof that the ancient demon was not Ganon?

Originally Posted by LOZ Historian

Oh come on. Do I have to find a quote to show you? Zelda said that it was an ancient demon reborn, and she called him Ganon like that was his propper respective name.

My point is that this 'ancient demon' could be a Ganon outside of the game series, or could even be a different name altogether. Just because it references something coming before this Ganon, doesn't mean it's not the first in the timeline with the games we know of.

A similar arguement is used by all those that believe OoT is first in the timeline, as Zelda even says that Link looks like the 'legendar Hero of Time'. This means there was a HoT before Link. This HoT doesn't have to have been in the games we have seen so far, nor does his name even have to necessarily be Link.

The same thing can also be said about the Hero of Men. There is no reason to believe he appeared in a game we have already seen. And there is no reason his name even *has* to be Link.

Conclusion: Ganon being an 'ancient demon reborn' tells us no more than Link looking like 'the legenary hero of time', or the 'hero of men'. TMC can come first, as can OoT.

Originally Posted by mohammedali

My point is that this 'ancient demon' could be a Ganon outside of the game series, or could even be a different name altogether. Just because it references something coming before this Ganon, doesn't mean it's not the first in the timeline with the games we know of.

Although admittedly, the "ancient demon reborn" could be something other than Ganon, this is very unlikely, and usually when something is "reborn", it is the same thing.

The "ancient demon reborn" is the King of Darkness. Only Ganon is the true King of Darkness, in any incarnation.

Originally Posted by Raian

The "ancient demon reborn" is the King of Darkness. Only Ganon is the true King of Darkness, in any incarnation.

So you're agreeing with my post then? That the evil spirit within the trident - King of Darkness - is the ancient demon reborn?

Originally Posted by Duoae

That the evil spirit within the trident - King of Darkness - is the ancient demon reborn?

Ganon is the King of Darkness.
The ancient demon reborn is the King of Darkness.
The ancient demon reborn is Ganon.

The proposed scenario has Ganon being reborn before ever appearing.

Originally Posted by Duoae

So you're agreeing with my post then? That the evil spirit within the trident - King of Darkness - is the ancient demon reborn?

FSA never actually says that the ancient demon reborn is "within" the trident. In my opinion, Ganondorf the Gerudo thief was the reincarnated demon and the Trident was placed by servants of darkness long ago, so that Ganondorf could take it and ruin the world.

I'm more inclined to agree with Raian as i myself (in my own timeline) have an original Ganon in the mists of history...

But in answer to Lex. The text clearly states that whoever wields the trident becomes the King of Darkness. Ganondorf becomes Ganon in the role of ancient demon reborn. Perhaps Ganondorf himself is not the demon reborn but the entity, Ganon...