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View Poll Results: Which Evolution do you believe in?
Zora --> Rito 67 78.82%
Kakariko --> Rito 6 7.06%
The Rito are entirely new 12 14.12%
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Old 01-28-2007, 06:39 PM
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Cool Complete Rito Evolution

Topic: To discuss all of the possible evolutions which resulted in the Rito as well as the 'Rito are new' theory.

We have the:
Zora --> Rito
Kakariko --> Rito
And the possibility that the rito are just entirely different.

Why the Kakariko are the Rito:

- Their light spirit Eldin is a bird which may have influenced their evolution.
- They have a 'tribal' system of govenement.
- The Sky cannon was found under their village showing sky connections.
- A sky statue was also found under the village furthering the sky connections.
- The rito have skin which gives them more human-like appearances.
- The kakariko could have easily adopted the idea of flying and getting feathers.
- Death mountain is supposedly Dragon Roost island which is where the kakariko lived. (before the became the rito)

Random Information:

- Kokiri became koroks and they share similar names 'ko'.
This leads to Kakariko and Rito 'ito' and 'iko'.
Instead of Zora and Rito which have similar vowel placements and four letters each.
- The chief in the village looks like the one from tWW.
- The graveyard behind Kakariko has zora in it.

Why the Rito aren't the Zora:

- They worship a fish and suddenly worship a dragon?
- They swim and although flying would be quicker they have no need to evolve.
- The zora have a monarchy and in tWW they have a tribe.
- The zora would have to lose the fins and scales then grow skin and feathers.
- Why would the zora deliver mail?

Why the Rito are the Zora:

- They have the same blood-line as the zora sage.
- They each have a harp.
- There are zora spiritual stone symbols on their clothes. (so i've heard)
- Their wings became fins (?)

Random Speculation:
- The gods did want the zora to find Hyrule
- The zora can live in salt water
- It says the Great Sea 'yields no fish to catch' but there are plenty of map fish.
The zora are more like fish people than fish and they can't be caught.
- The zoras may have lived on Greatfish Isle because that's where Jabun was.

Why the Rito are a new race:

- There isn't enough information to prove either of the above.
- It easier than debating lol.

Why the rito aren't a new race:

- There is enough information above to prove one of them.
- Debating is fun.

This whole debate will be solved when Phantom Hourglass comes out. If it has Zora then we'll know the Zora went there and that either the Rito are new or the kakariko evolved into them.
I believe I have covered anything and everything.
If you find anything I have missed I will add it to the appropriate list.
Now that all the data has been collected into one place we can have an orderly debate.
Also please vote in the poll so we can see where people stand.
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Old 01-28-2007, 06:48 PM
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Re: Complete Rito Evolution

I believe the zoras became the rito because:

1. Medli shares the bloodline of the zoras
2. Their wings are shaped slightly like zora fins
3. They wear the zora symbol on their clothes
4. I believe the gods did change them so they wouldnt find hyrule

I also think that dragon roost is possibly death mountain and the gorons fled because of the water and when zoras evolved death mountain was closest so they went to higher land.
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Old 01-28-2007, 06:52 PM
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Re: Complete Rito Evolution

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Old 01-28-2007, 06:56 PM
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Re: Complete Rito Evolution

Zoras-->Ritos--->aLttP Zoras

The Zoras evolved into ritos because they couldn't eat where there are no fish and all the things cupac82 mentioned. Zora's Domain is the aLttP east part of death mountain and the aLttP east part of death mountain is dragon roost island.

Kakariko are in winfall island. Windfall island is OoT death mountain or aLttP west death mountain.

When Hyrule unlood, the ritos were found at a waterfall and evolved into aLttP Zoras.
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Old 01-28-2007, 07:16 PM
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Re: Complete Rito Evolution

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Zoras-->Ritos--->aLttP Zoras

The Zoras evolved into ritos because they couldn't eat where there are no fish and all the things cupac82 mentioned. Zora's Domain is the aLttP east part of death mountain and the aLttP east part of death mountain is dragon roost island.

Kakariko are in winfall island. Windfall island is OoT death mountain or aLttP west death mountain.

When Hyrule unlood, the ritos were found at a waterfall and evolved into aLttP Zoras.
Dragon Roost Island and Death mountain are the same.
How many active volcanoes does Hyrule have? lol
Windfall is entirely new and hand-built. Or else then there would be relics of old Hyrule.
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Re: Complete Rito Evolution

Theres so much evidence showing that the zora are the rito.
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Old 01-28-2007, 07:40 PM
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Theres so much evidence showing that the zora are the rito.
and lots supporting kakariko --> zora
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Old 01-28-2007, 08:40 PM
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Re: Complete Rito Evolution

Zora--->RITO

You can just...TELL...I could. Thier wings looked slighty like Zora fins and...Well, I compared Laruto and Medli. They had the same blood line no?
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Old 01-28-2007, 08:58 PM
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Re: Complete Rito Evolution

I personally hate the hell out of timelines because they always leave many many loopholes and are basically impossible when it comes to Zelda. But things like this can actually make sense and are very fun to discuss.

I believe that a strong informational peice could convince me to either of the three options, but for now I'm going to say Kakariko -> Zora because the Kakariko citizens are at the base of death mountain, and as hyrule floods, I can see Renado's successor urging the people up the mountain to survive. The gorons might not have made it, and a rare few got lucky and made rafts, or whatever.

But I could beleive any of them later on down the line depending on what I hear.

How will PH tell us what happened? Has Nintendo released information about when the game takes place yet?
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Old 01-28-2007, 09:29 PM
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Re: Complete Rito Evolution

I seriously doubt nintndo will ever tell us.
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Old 01-28-2007, 09:46 PM
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Re: Complete Rito Evolution

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I seriously doubt nintndo will ever tell us.
Well like I said, we'll know when Phantom Hourglass comes out.
If it has zoras then we can conclude that the zoras fled there when Hyrule flooded.
However, if there aren't any, then we will have to keep debating.

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Old 01-28-2007, 10:47 PM
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Re: Complete Rito Evolution

Well, since I don't care about the timeline stuff and just play the game, it's hard for me to come up with a good opinion at all.
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Maybe there was some perv Hylian who did with the Ooca probably that guy in the basement of Kakariko village XD
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Well as it says in the first post, and as TP shows us, there're connections between the Zora and Kakariko, so I think some combination of both is plausible.

The strongest indication though has to be that the sage was a Zora. I mean the Korok sage was a Kokiri, so it would be nice to think that the same could be said for the Zora-Rito connection. Then again, nothing to do with timelines in Zelda is ever made very easy...
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Old 01-29-2007, 06:20 PM
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Why the Rito aren't the Zora:

- They worship a fish and suddenly worship a dragon?
- They swim and although flying would be quicker they have no need to evolve.
- The zora have a monarchy and in tWW they have a tribe.
- The zora would have to lose the fins and scales then grow skin and feathers.
- Why would the zora deliver mail?
-Its hundreds of years later. noone remembers the fish.
-They need to evolve because the world is FLOODING. Evolve or Die.
-Maybe after their queens assassination they change, or they decide they need a new way of life.
-Real evolution happened like that. the fish became animals with skin and feathers for some.
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Old 01-29-2007, 06:24 PM
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-Its hundreds of years later. noone remembers the fish.
-They need to evolve because the world is FLOODING. Evolve or Die.
-Maybe after their queens assassination they change, or they decide they need a new way of life.
-Real evolution happened like that. the fish became animals with skin and feathers for some.
Didn't the zora keep the monarchy because they have a prince still?
I'm not quite done TP yet but i'm at the point where he is on the throne.
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Well like I said, we'll know when Phantom Hourglass comes out.
If it has zoras then we can conclude that the zoras fled there when Hyrule flooded.
However, if there aren't any, then we will have to keep debating.

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But even if it does have zoras in it how would that solve this conflict? A species can evolve but still not at the same time. We see this with darwinism. If a river splits a population of squirrel and on one side they need to crack nuts while on the other side they can live as they used to, we will see an evolution on one side and not the other. Thus the Rito and Zora can co-exsist even if one evoleved from the other. The same with the Kakariko/Rito, both could exsist at the same time.

I belive that the Rito are spawned from the Zora and not the Kakariko. This is because we see the Zora sapphire symbol on the clothes of Medli picture in this thread, and Laruto tells you to look for her bloodline. The Zoras in Oot didn't live far off from death mountain (even though in TP they did, this is an trivial innconsistancy). For the whole "monarchy" vs "tribal" government, I don't see a signifigant difference in them. The both have a leader who has authority over all else. And plus how do we know that the Kakariko use the tribal system? PLease correct me if I'm wrong but everyone in both OoT and TP who live in Kakariko Village are just normal people. The only Sheikah are the shaman(not cheiftan) and dauter. Lastly considering that all of the towns residents are normall people is saying that the Rito evolved from Hylains.
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Old 01-29-2007, 07:07 PM
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Lastly considering that all of the towns residents are normall people is saying that the Rito evolved from Hylains.
Seeing as how Hyrule has gods, then we can completely remove the idea of 'evolution'
Darwinism and creationism do not co-exist
The only way the Zora could have become the Rito is by magic.
The kakariko on the other hand only had to develop a way to fly which is not evolution.
Or maybe the gods sent the zora away and they made a completely new race.

If we agree that Dragon Roost = Death mountian then:
Why would the zora have gone there when there are already humans and gorons?
Where did the kakariko go? It would be obvious that they'd just climb death mountain and live there.

Tp is more recent so nintendo has put their more recent ideas into it.
The statue and sky cannon as well as their light spirit which happens to be a bird is enough to trump the old bloodline and symbols (in my opinion).
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Old 01-29-2007, 07:18 PM
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Darwinism and creationism do not co-exist
And why is this? Saying a god is turely exsistant, could it not create a species and let that species evolves without interference. That is the in the category of, "the law of the land," which is the job of Nayru. Nayru could have very well created evolution while Farore created the species.
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Old 01-29-2007, 07:26 PM
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And why is this? Saying a god is turely exsistant, could it not create a species and let that species evolves without interference. That is the in the category of, "the law of the land," which is the job of Nayru. Nayru could have very well created evolution while Farore created the species.
So what your saying is that the gods like to contradict themselves?
Nayru made time, seasons and I suppose gravity etc. but if they can create things then why would she go through all the work of creating evolution?
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