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Old 01-22-2007, 04:01 AM
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Gerudo mark on Zant's clothes



That looks a lot like the Gerudo mark right there. I am curious about this, has this been discussed before? I don't recall that certain detail being discussed.

This with Midna's red/orange hair being another hint that the Gerudos are not completely unrelated to the Twili...
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Old 01-22-2007, 04:12 AM
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Re: Gerudo mark on Zant's clothes

pretty sure that Gerudo aren't naturally magic users.
and it is said the interlopers wielded powerful magic.
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Old 01-22-2007, 04:47 AM
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Re: Gerudo mark on Zant's clothes

Ganondorf, a Gerudo, wielded powerful magic before getting the Triforce of Power in OoT, just before Link gets the Ocarina of Time.

Then there's the two witches Koume and Kotake, obviously Gerudos (although very old, so no red/orange hair anymore) that wielded powerful magic.

Anyway, my point is not to prove that the Twili are related to the Gerudo, I merely wish to discuss why Zant has what appears to be very similar to the Gerudo mark on his clothes.

Then there's the Sheikah symbol on the back of Midna's mask. Odd, with the marks.
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Old 01-22-2007, 04:50 AM
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Re: Gerudo mark on Zant's clothes

Could simply be his sign of respect to his god, or was he wearing them in the back story cutscene? If not then maybe there is a connection
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Old 01-22-2007, 04:53 AM
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Re: Gerudo mark on Zant's clothes

Just seeing what you want to I guess Will.
I really can't see the Symbol even though you have the nice screenshot...
I'm trying but I just can't see it.
the most I see is DDR arrows, and I don't even play DDR >>;

and I meant the Gerudo culture on the whole isn't about magic using.
Ganondorf is always exceptional somehow, and the witches are just that.
But the other Gerudo are warriors and thieves.
Not big on the magic

what shiekah symbol?
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Old 01-22-2007, 05:13 AM
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Re: Gerudo mark on Zant's clothes

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Just seeing what you want to I guess Will.
I wasn't looking for the Gerudo mark, I was simply watching a certain cutscene and all of a sudden thought I saw what was exactly the Gerudo mark, but as we can see it's not the exact same symbol.

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what shiekah symbol?
Read this post.

I didn't recall that precisely enough though, it's only similar to the Sheikah symbol, and not the actual Sheikah symbol. It's the symbol of evil in the Zelda games.

I also thought Ganondorf perhaps granted Zant some Gerudo clothing or something. Zant did have the Gerudo-like mark on his clothes even in the cutscene in which Zelda surrenders and drops her sword. From the beginning to the end, then.
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Old 01-22-2007, 05:14 AM
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Re: Gerudo mark on Zant's clothes

It's a simple reference that has no real relevance to the plotline. If you go to the fortune-teller in Castle Town, you'll see that her "third eye of foresight" is a Sheikah symbol. Does that mean we can assume she's Sheikah?
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Old 01-22-2007, 05:17 AM
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It's a simple reference that has no real relevance to the plotline. If you go to the fortune-teller in Castle Town, you'll see that her "third eye of foresight" is a Sheikah symbol. Does that mean we can assume she's Sheikah?
Actually a few people do assume she is
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Old 01-22-2007, 05:29 AM
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Actually a few people do assume she is
I can understand that, but considering that the Sheikah symbol represents the banishment of evil, which Fanadi does not do, it is obvious that it possesses an alternative representation in this context; as a third eye of foresight.
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Old 01-22-2007, 05:49 AM
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I can understand that, but considering that the Sheikah symbol represents the banishment of evil, which Fanadi does not do, it is obvious that it possesses an alternative representation in this context; as a third eye of foresight.
Hmm? I've never heard of that before.

Something that strengthens the Twili-Gerudo connection is the fact that Midna mentions a greedy king- Ganondorf?
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Old 01-22-2007, 06:03 AM
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Re: Gerudo mark on Zant's clothes

Could be, but wouldn't Midna know the name of that greedy king? She acts like she hasn't met Ganondorf before. It could be she did knew about a greedy king, but did not know the identity of this greedy king.
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Old 01-22-2007, 07:00 AM
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Re: Gerudo mark on Zant's clothes

I suppose it all depends on how time passes in the twilight realm. If it is the same as in normal Hryule then Midna would not know the evil king personally and perhaps his name was forgotten over the time (it could have been a taboo word and no one spoke it).
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Old 01-22-2007, 09:13 AM
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Re: Gerudo mark on Zant's clothes

When talking to Midna, Ganondorf refers to the Twili as "your tribe". I'm not saying it's impossible that the Twili were once his Gerudo, but I personally feel that the game is distancing the two groups.

After all, if the Gerudo do become the Twili, how do we come to see them in FSA/ALTTP?
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It's a simple reference that has no real relevance to the plotline. If you go to the fortune-teller in Castle Town, you'll see that her "third eye of foresight" is a Sheikah symbol. Does that mean we can assume she's Sheikah?
Fanadi also has the classic Sheikah trait of red eyes. This and her bearing the symbol has lead me to believe that she is of Sheikah descent. She may not be a true Sheikah, but I think she definately has some Sheikah blood in her.
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Old 01-22-2007, 12:25 PM
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After all, if the Gerudo do become the Twili, how do we come to see them in FSA/ALTTP?
If you're basing that on a single timeline, I happen to not believe in the single timeline theory.

Anyway, I also find it odd that Midna starts talking about her tribe so much just when you enter the Gerudo Desert.

What seems ironic is that with the Twili tribe, it seems like there's just one female and many males, where as Gerudos are the exact opposite.
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Anyway, I also find it odd that Midna starts talking about her tribe so much just when you enter the Gerudo Desert.
I thought she told Link about that because he was going to find the Mirror of Twilight for her, and she wanted to fill him in about it and her tribe. She also may have done it because she'd grown to like Link and wanted to be more honest with him, rather than not telling him what he was getting for her.
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What seems ironic is that with the Twili tribe, it seems like there's just one female and many males, where as Gerudos are the exact opposite.
We only ever see a grand total of about 6 or 7 Twili in Twilight Princess (Midna, Zant and those guarding the Palace of Twilight in the Twilight Realm). The guards are most likely men, since men are always the guards in Zelda games, and Link pretty much killed a lot of the Twili (Zant transformed the Twili into those monsters that appear from the red warp holes).
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The guards are most likely men, since men are always the guards in Zelda games
Execpt the guards in the gerudo valley
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Execpt the guards in the gerudo valley
Oh, they're men- the Gerudo let them in as caretakers.
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True, but unlike the Gerudo, the Twili have both men and women, instead of just one male every hundred years.
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Old 01-22-2007, 03:32 PM
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Re: Gerudo mark on Zant's clothes

the gerudo mark has crescent sides encasing two dots, the twili symbol doesn't do the same, the lines go vertical and the "dots" are swirly smoke shapes that travel vertically as well.

if I only looked at the very very middle then maybe it is similiar, but the whole picture says otherwise to me.
then again if I looked at a sideways I-bar I could see some similiarities where there are none.

The thing with symbolism is if you know what you are looking for, and you look real hard and still don't see it, chances are it is not there.

I just don't see it, and I'm sure if it was there they would have made it more obvious,
that's how I see it. If it's not even the littlest bit obvious then it's not there.

I can see some similiarities but not enough to say it is similiar or the same.
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