Gerudo mark on Zant's clothes

Originally Posted by Jin Shukumei

First off the "trident" Midna uses isn't really a trident and it definitely isn't Ganon's trident.
The dark mirror also is not the same mirror.

and the gerudos were NOT sealed into the twilight realm, the twili are not gerudos.
The gerudos are not an evil people, only ganondorf is.
it's amazing it's just a video game and here are people persecuting entire races because of one person.

"Oh ganon is gerudo so all gerudos must be evil." that doesn't make ANY sense.
Let me remind you, Nabooru who is far more indicative of the ideal Gerudo, is also the Sage of Spirit. Obviously Gerudo aren't evil, therefore they wouldn't be sealed into the Twilight Mirror.

Also it was the goddesses themselves who sealed the interlopers into the twilight realm.
they were described as being powerful sorcerers and not much else.
There is no connection to the Gerudo, if the Gerudo even existed back then.

Dark Mirror, Magic Mirror, Twilight Mirror each one is a seperate object they are not the same.
just because they are mirrors does not mean they are the same.
They all have different functions.

Um, it's very possible the Gerudo simply had another evil chief ruling them. I mean, over hundreds of years isn't it possible for them to be manipulated by just a rotten-hearted leader? If I remember correctly, they are mostly all female and whatever male is born, is made into the chief. Who's to say they simply had an evil chief that ordered them to go on raids?

And I think it was the sages who banished people into the Twilight Realm under the orders of the Goddesses, but that doesn't really matter.

It's not, sorry mate but you got it mixed up play through that part again.
It was the goddesses who sealed the interlopers into the twilight realm.
If they were the gerudo they would not be called the interlopers.
Ganondorf is the one male born to the gerudo, and he is immortal.
Nabooru was the last chief of the gerudo and she probably changed how they worked.
it's highly doubtful they would do anything bad, not to mention they aren't powerful sorcerers.

The interlopers were specifically mentioned to be wielding powerful magic.
gerudo are more fighters than wizards.
and again if it were the gerudo, they would have been specifically stated as such.

instead it is simply "interlopers", one would be closer to assume they were a group of evil Hylians, who trained themselves in shadow magic.
and again noone went on raids, you are very very mixed up.

Youtube has the cutscenes, go watch it to refresh your memory.
I can't remember what the link is but it shouldn't be hard to find.

Something to mention here:

The "Gerudo Mark" that is being referred to actually isn't the Gerudo Mark at all. This is actually the Gerudo Mark:



This crescent moon and star is present on anything that has the "Gerudo Mark" in Ocarina of Time, but was then switched out with this symbol:



The fact is that the second symbol appeared in versions of the game, including the original gold version, which had the crescnet moon and star. It's a bit hard to tell in this video, but pull out the original version of Ocarina of Time for more clarification:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mul9IW8eKkY

Notice the fact that Ganondorf coughs up red blood here as opposed to green blood, proving that this is the original gold version TSA is using for his speed run.

Originally Posted by Jin Shukumei

It's not, sorry mate but you got it mixed up play through that part again.
It was the goddesses who sealed the interlopers into the twilight realm.
If they were the gerudo they would not be called the interlopers.
Ganondorf is the one male born to the gerudo, and he is immortal.
Nabooru was the last chief of the gerudo and she probably changed how they worked.
it's highly doubtful they would do anything bad, not to mention they aren't powerful sorcerers.

The interlopers were specifically mentioned to be wielding powerful magic.
gerudo are more fighters than wizards.
and again if it were the gerudo, they would have been specifically stated as such.

instead it is simply "interlopers", one would be closer to assume they were a group of evil Hylians, who trained themselves in shadow magic.
and again noone went on raids, you are very very mixed up.

Youtube has the cutscenes, go watch it to refresh your memory.
I can't remember what the link is but it shouldn't be hard to find.

Like I said, it doesn't really matter at all who sealed whatever in the Twilight Realm. The sages act for the Goddesses so I don't think it is that important. What relevance is it for Ganon being immortal? I doubt the Gerudo would let themselves be ruled by someone who is sealed in another realm.

As for the raids or whatever, the Gerudo at heart are a tribe of thieves. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they eventually went to their old ways. As for Nabooru wasn't she made a sage? And the fact is, she was also a thief herself.

Originally Posted by DrZaius1

This crescent moon and star is present on anything that has the "Gerudo Mark" in Ocarina of Time, but was then switched out with this symbol:

So all those brown moveable blocks originally had crescent moons on them?

Originally Posted by Duoae

So all those brown moveable blocks originally had crescent moons on them?

They sure did.

Originally Posted by Jenga

Like I said, it doesn't really matter at all who sealed whatever in the Twilight Realm. The sages act for the Goddesses so I don't think it is that important. What relevance is it for Ganon being immortal? I doubt the Gerudo would let themselves be ruled by someone who is sealed in another realm.

As for the raids or whatever, the Gerudo at heart are a tribe of thieves. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they eventually went to their old ways. As for Nabooru wasn't she made a sage? And the fact is, she was also a thief herself.

The never said anything about raids in TP, that is why you are mistaken.
The interlopers were sealed by the goddesses because they tried to take over the sacred realm, the word "raid" is never used.

Originally Posted by Jin Shukumei

The never said anything about raids in TP, that is why you are mistaken.
The interlopers were sealed by the goddesses because they tried to take over the sacred realm, the word "raid" is never used.

If it wasn't the Gerudos who were sealed in the Twilight realm, where are they in TP? And why would the Twili have their symbols? Hell, even Midna's true form reminds me of the Gerudo. I still think it may have been a combination of the Zuna, Gerudo, and other criminals that were sealed into the Twilight realm. Oh, and when I said raid, I meant it as sort of a hostile attack at Hyrule and the sacred realm.

Is it possible SOME of the Gerudos were sealed in the Twilight while the rest merged with the main Hyrule population? (Just saying this to address the fact Telma reminds me of a Gerudo)

Where are the Gerudos in TMC, TWW, ALTTP, LoZ, AoL, etc? Just because we don't see them, does not mean they do not exist.

Originally Posted by Raian

Where are the Gerudos in TMC, TWW, ALTTP, LoZ, AoL, etc? Just because we don't see them, does not mean they do not exist.

The Minish Cap - Non-existent

The Wind Waker - In the Forsaken Fortress, in and on top of Ganon's Tower

A Link to the Past - In Ganon's Tower, in the Pyramind of Power

Legend of Zelda - In Level 9

Adventure of Link - In the Game Over screen

"Adventure of Link - In the Game Over screen" - Heh, that made me chuckle...

TWW I haven't played in a long while, but I don't recall seeing ANY Gerudos. I believe you might be thinking of the moblins?

Originally Posted by Twisol

"Adventure of Link - In the Game Over screen" - Heh, that made me chuckle...

TWW I haven't played in a long while, but I don't recall seeing ANY Gerudos. I believe you might be thinking of the moblins?

The Gerudos are a whole different tribe from the Moblins. The Gerudos are a strong tribe with sword skills and the moblins hardly have any sword experience.

I know that. I mean, I think he is getting confused. I dont remember any Gerudos in the Forsaken Fortress, but I do remember Moblins. Not Gerudos. Moblins.

Originally Posted by Twisol

I know that. I mean, I think he is getting confused. I dont remember any Gerudos in the Forsaken Fortress, but I do remember Moblins. Not Gerudos. Moblins.

*cough*Ganondorf*cough*

Originally Posted by Miidna

Could simply be his sign of respect to his god, or was he wearing them in the back story cutscene? If not then maybe there is a connection

THe fact that Zant was wearing the same robe throughout the game (even in the story cutscene) could be a sign of designer laziness. But, they could have decided this on purpose, like with majoras mask.

Originally Posted by Duoae

So all those brown moveable blocks originally had crescent moons on them?

The cresent moon and star is the symbol of Islam. Nintendo probably didn't want people to associate the gerudos with muslims. It's all in the name of being Politicaly Correct.

Originally Posted by Majoras_bane

The cresent moon and star is the symbol of Islam. Nintendo probably didn't want people to associate the gerudos with muslims. It's all in the name of being Politicaly Correct.

I also believe they went as far as editing the Fire Temple music. The original track had muslim chanting.

Originally Posted by William Zelda4ever

That looks a lot like the Gerudo mark right there. I am curious about this, has this been discussed before? I don't recall that certain detail being discussed.

This with Midna's red/orange hair being another hint that the Gerudos are not completely unrelated to the Twili...

Oh my gosh! I got an idea.

What if the Twili are the Gerudos?!

Um. You're not the first to think of that, kay? Personally, I think the only way they're linked to the Twili is through the Zuna - who I think were the original Twili - because both the Zuna and Gerudo lived in the desert.

Originally Posted by Twisol

"Adventure of Link - In the Game Over screen" - Heh, that made me chuckle...

TWW I haven't played in a long while, but I don't recall seeing ANY Gerudos. I believe you might be thinking of the moblins?

Nope, Ganondorf is a Gerudo.

Originally Posted by Twisol

I know that. I mean, I think he is getting confused. I dont remember any Gerudos in the Forsaken Fortress, but I do remember Moblins. Not Gerudos. Moblins.

Ganondorf's a Gerudo.

Originally Posted by Majoras_bane

The cresent moon and star is the symbol of Islam. Nintendo probably didn't want people to associate the gerudos with muslims. It's all in the name of being Politicaly Correct.

Well, they do live in the desert and a good deal of people usually make remarks about how Ganondorf looks like an Arab.

Originally Posted by Jenga

I also believe they went as far as editing the Fire Temple music. The original track had muslim chanting.

It had chanting, but it wasn't necessarily Muslim. It sounded like it could be, and that's why Nintendo took it out.