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Old 01-22-2007, 08:25 PM
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Re: Gerudo mark on Zant's clothes

Maybe because the Twili mirror is in Gerudo Dessert , The gods sent the gerudo inside the mirror because they are an enemy towards the hylians. The gerudo probably introduced their culture to the twili people. This is just a thought
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Old 01-22-2007, 09:18 PM
Jin Shukumei United_States Jin Shukumei is offline
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Re: Gerudo mark on Zant's clothes

that seems too extremist for the Hylians,
they aren't performing racial cleansing with the mirror,
they send only the most greivous of criminals into the mirror.
it is a last resort.

the gerudos aren't the archenemies of hyrule, Ganondorf is not an example of the ideal Gerudo.

a better one would be Nabooru, she is the ideal Gerudo.
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Old 01-22-2007, 09:31 PM
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Re: Gerudo mark on Zant's clothes

Yes please no timeline debates here.
It looks somewhat similar if you squint your eyes so you can hardly see it.
Although it does make sense that he would have the mark.

Seeing as how the magic wielders most likely came from the desert
1) Ganondorf is a magic wielder even before he got the ToP.
2) Midna speaks of her past when venturing into the desert. Maybe reminiscing?
3) Kotake and Koume are powerful magic wielders.

I can't see any other place that the wielders would have come from other than hyrule town itself...which is entirely possible.
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Old 01-22-2007, 09:36 PM
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Re: Gerudo mark on Zant's clothes

The Twili were banished ages ago when people still lived in the Sacred Realm,
so the only place they could come from is the Sacred Realm,
and it's doubtful people lived in the desert at that time.
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Old 01-23-2007, 02:23 AM
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Re: Gerudo mark on Zant's clothes

I know it'snot a big point in terms of actual substance, but when you revive Lanayru and Link goes into that trance when we first see the Fused Shadow itself, the "magic wielders" all take the form of men (in the shape of a Dark Link-type character). As well as that, Twinrova actually dies in OoT (with the angels and whatnot), unless of course all of the imprisonment of the Twili happened before OoT, in which case maybe the Twili were the male Gerudo in the first place...?
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Old 01-23-2007, 03:02 AM
Jin Shukumei United_States Jin Shukumei is offline
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Re: Gerudo mark on Zant's clothes

only one male gerudo every 100 years so even if the interlopers were all men
which they prolly were not seeing as the twili exist, they couldn't be descendant of gerudo.

there is never more than one male gerudo at a time.
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Old 01-23-2007, 03:20 AM
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Re: Gerudo mark on Zant's clothes

If the Gerudo were sealed away because of Ganondorf, and Ganondorf was in the Sacred Realm/a mere ghost in the Twilight, they'd have no male and no Hylians to knock-up, meaning they'd die out. I honestly think that they are just two different cultures. The symbol on Zant's clothing doesn't really look like the Gerudo symbol during close inspection.

On the matter of symbols and clothing, on the early N64 OOT carts, what was the symbol on Ganondorf's red cape during the final fight? Was it the same symbol that exists now, was it a cresent moon, or was it something else? Pics would be nice.
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Old 01-23-2007, 04:40 PM
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Re: Gerudo mark on Zant's clothes

Theory of mine: Gerudo+Sheikah= Twili
Almost everyone here keeps thinking about Gerudo knocking up Hylian people. Think outside of the box and think of the Sheikah. Sure the Sheikah are few in number but there are male Sheikah. Thus a male Sheikah could have mated with a female Gerudo thus creating a Twili. That would explain the Gerudo/Sheikah symbols on Twili outfits.

The same with Midna's ancestry. Midna has red eyes and she has red hair. What race has red eyes? The Sheikah. What race has red hair? The Gerudo. The Sheikah bloodline explains why Midna helps Zelda out. Sheikah were bodyguards for the Royal Family. Sure Midna didn't know that she was a desendent of a Sheikah but helping Zelda probably came natural since it's in her blood. The Gerudo blood in her made her sort of use Link in the beginning with the Fused Shadows. She was secretly collecting the Fused Shadows behind Zant's back. Hmm sounds sort of like a thief. She didn't do the dirty work Link does that for her. A thief wouldn't want to dirt their hands(evidence found in finger prints and stuff(Not in Zelda of course)) and let other people do the work.
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Old 01-23-2007, 04:48 PM
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Re: Gerudo mark on Zant's clothes

What would make sense is that Zant is gerudo, and Midna is Shiekiah. Zant is trying to obey his god's wish and Ganondorf wants the Gerudo to rule the Twilight realm.

There has to be some reason why Ganondorf chose Zant rather than any other Twili.
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Old 01-23-2007, 04:56 PM
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the Twili aren't the product of any other races,
Don't you get it?
Twili are Twili and that is that.
Back when the interlopers were sent into the Twilight Realm, everyone lived in the Sacred Realm. There were no Gerudos, no Sheikah, nothing like that, once inside the Twilight Realm, over the many many years, they changed into the Twili.

Zelda helps Midna because, Midna is the Twilight Princess
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Old 01-23-2007, 06:00 PM
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I know it'snot a big point in terms of actual substance, but when you revive Lanayru and Link goes into that trance when we first see the Fused Shadow itself, the "magic wielders" all take the form of men (in the shape of a Dark Link-type character). As well as that, Twinrova actually dies in OoT (with the angels and whatnot), unless of course all of the imprisonment of the Twili happened before OoT, in which case maybe the Twili were the male Gerudo in the first place...?
Twinrova..or..kotake and koume are back in OoA/OoS so they 'died' but were brought back...unless the UWM timeline is wrong hmph.
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Old 01-24-2007, 01:31 PM
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Re: Gerudo mark on Zant's clothes

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the Twili aren't the product of any other races,
Don't you get it?
Twili are Twili and that is that.
Back when the interlopers were sent into the Twilight Realm, everyone lived in the Sacred Realm. There were no Gerudos, no Sheikah, nothing like that, once inside the Twilight Realm, over the many many years, they changed into the Twili.

Zelda helps Midna because, Midna is the Twilight Princess
No, they did not live in the sacred realm. This is rubbish.
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Old 01-24-2007, 04:47 PM
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HA!
Play the game again then.
No even it's on bloody youtube. go search it up.
watch it about 10 times so it soaks in to you.

Everyone was in the Sacred Realm long ago.
Interlopers screwed it up, goddesses banished them to TR, they then locked the Realm.
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Old 01-24-2007, 05:08 PM
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Re: Gerudo mark on Zant's clothes

Actually, the Twili tried to break into the Sacred Realm.

To get back on the subject of symbols, on the early N64 OOT carts, what was the symbol on Ganondorf's red cape during the final fight? Was it the same symbol that exists now, was it a cresent moon, or was it something else? Pictures would be nice.
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Old 01-24-2007, 05:49 PM
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actually play the game again.
It's stated that everyone lived in the Sacred Realm, The interlopers tried to take over with their magic.
they were then banished to the Twilight Realm eventually becoming the Twili, the SR was closed off and sealed against any more attempts.
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Old 01-24-2007, 05:54 PM
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actually play the game again.
It's stated that everyone lived in the Sacred Realm, The interlopers tried to take over with their magic.
they were then banished to the Twilight Realm eventually becoming the Twili, the SR was closed off and sealed against any more attempts.
How about you find the quote or close the flapping gap under your nose please. lol
You can say soemthing is true all you want Jin but evidence is required here in ZU.

There were no people living in the sacred realm. The goddesses created it to house the triforce and nothing more. They created Hyrule for the people.
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Old 01-24-2007, 06:49 PM
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dream sequence in Lake spring.
You may not have noticed but I'm right almost always, so no need to get insulting icey.

Or maybe you just thought the dream sequence was Link having an acid trip?
They had text during that sequence if you remember?
Important Text.
If you didn't understand what they were saying, well I can't help you there.

Now how come is it that I'm right nearly always, yet you accuse me of merely saying things are true?
Ever wonder why I don't take the time to find every little quote?
Maybe because I'm not your dog and you can find the evidence I reference yourself.
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Old 01-24-2007, 06:51 PM
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Re: Gerudo mark on Zant's clothes

Jim Shukemei, if the Hylians lived in the Sacred Realm, then why did war break out when rumours of the Sacred Realm began to emerge?

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I can understand why you're getting confused, since there is no direct differentiation of Hyrule and Sacred Realm at the beginning of the quote, yet the Hylians lived in Hyrule.
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Old 01-24-2007, 06:53 PM
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They are in the same place.
It's Jin by the way, or Mr. Shukumei
here I will explain: Before the whole "___ hit the fan scenario" both lands were of the same "plane".
The whole disaster occurs with the interlopers and so on, and the goddesses seperate the two lands.
The SR is now a seperate plane, locked and sealed.
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Old 01-24-2007, 06:55 PM
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Jim Shukemei, if the Hylians lived in the Sacred Realm, then why did war break out when rumours of the Sacred Realm began to emerge?



I can understand why you're getting confused, since there is no direct differentiation of Hyrule and Sacred Realm at the beginning of the quote, yet the Hylians lived in Hyrule.
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Again and again you are proven wrong because there are those that take time to find evidence. You have misunderstood the text Jin. Like so many other texts.
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No they are not the same place! Prove your point please!
The sacred realm is a place where the triforce lies and Hyrule is all around it. They are definitely not the same place..unless you can find a quote that does.
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