Can we use Zant's fate to explain Vaati's revival after TMC? *TP ending spoilers*

In TP, Zant possessed Ganondorf's magic and told us that as long as Ganondorf was alive, he could revive Zant with this magic. In TP's ending, Ganondorf's magic was destroyed by the Master Sword, which explains why Zant died, since there was no magic to keep him from the brink of death.

The interesting thing is that after even Midna blew up Zant's body, we still see him in a strange realm where Zant lingers, not dead but not revived. So what if Vaati found himself in the same realm after his defeat at Link's hands in TMC? After all, he still possessed the majority of the light force, so what actually is there to stop him from reviving himself?

Could we even use the strange realm to explain other resurrections in the Zelda series? I doubt it, but the concept does raise new questions.

After TMC vaati was inprisoned into the sword nothing more

As for Zant it looked more that Zant took Ganondorfs triforce of power and crack "I don't need you anymore" who was using who?

Originally Posted by Ouroboros

After TMC vaati was inprisoned into the sword nothing more

He wasn't imprisoned in the sword because he exploded, which we can compare to FS where we see his form actually get sucked into the sword (and FSA where Ganon's form got sucked into the sword).

As for Zant it looked more that Zant took Ganondorfs triforce of power and crack "I don't need you anymore" who was using who?

We never see Zant take Ganondorf's Triforce of Power and I never saw any inference of such an act. Remember that Zant believes Ganondorf is a god and relies on his magic for sustenance. Why he should suddenly turn against Ganondorf for no reason requires speculation.

Originally Posted by Raian

He wasn't imprisoned in the sword because he exploded, which we can compare to FS where we see his form actually get sucked into the sword (and FSA where Ganon's form got sucked into the sword).

He must of been sealed in the sword after TMC because he came out of it in FS. I think the explody thing was him just going into the sword with a 'bang'. Get it bang? Y'know because he exploded? Do you get it now? Because bang is the noise explosions make. You get now don't you. HA HA ! God I'm funny.

Originally Posted by WiiGamer24

He must of been sealed in the sword after TMC because he came out of it in FS. I think the explody thing was him just going into the sword with a 'bang'. Get it bang? Y'know because he exploded? Do you get it now? Because bang is the noise explosions make. You get now don't you. HA HA ! God I'm funny.

FS has a legend that tells us how Vaati was sealed in the Four Sword and most of the details don't connect to TMC, such as Vaati being a Wind Mage and the Hero being unrecognised. In short, TMC has to be a prior event to Vaati being sealed in the Four Sword, which means that we can't simply deduce a sealing when TMC itself shows us that he died.

I think that the realm that we see Zant in is the afterlife, or at least, he is on his way there since at that point, Ganon wasn't dead yet. Vaati was also sealed inside of the sword at the end of TMC, he didn't get banished anywhere.

Originally Posted by Zånt

I think that the realm that we see Zant in is the afterlife, or at least, he is on his way there since at that point, Ganon wasn't dead yet. Vaati was also sealed inside of the sword at the end of TMC, he didn't get banished anywhere.

It couldn't have been the afterlife, because Zant's neck cracking symbolised his death, which means that the realm must have been someplace where his spirit was sustained by Ganondorf's magic (since he said Ganondord would revive him).

Changed the thread title.

Raian is correct.

Long ago, in the kingdom of Hyrule, there appeared a Wind Sorcerer named Vaati. Vaati could bend the wind to his will and used this awful power to terrorize many villages of Hyrule. In his assaults on the villages, Vaati would kidnap any beautiful girls who caught his fancy.

In both FS and FSA adventures he has appeared twice then three times - FS being the third by FSA comes along. His first appearance after being vanquished by Link in TMC is when he comes back as a wind mage - he no longer posesses his human form and was instead transformed by the power of the triforce that he kept. In TMC i believe that he was just dispersed and then later reformed. We know that posessing triforce power can bequeath the holder a kind of "second chance". This is why Ganon is able to be vanquished but not killed until the triforce of power is taken from him. This kind of also explains why when we, as the hero, die we appear back again - i know this is just a gameplay extrapolation but it also makes sense.

With the Zant's death neck crack thing, it seems like Zant dies first, and immediately after Ganondorf gasps, loses his white stomach, and dies. So to me, it looks like Zant couldn't have died because Ganondorf did because Zant cracked and died first. Looking at it like this (Zant dying then Ganondorf) what did this symbolize? I can't figure it out, but it doesn't seem that Zant died because Ganondorf did.

Note that the light force and triforce aren't the same thing. I swear someone's found evidence of this.

Originally Posted by Raian

In TP, Zant possessed Ganondorf's magic and told us that as long as Ganondorf was alive, he could revive Zant with this magic. In TP's ending, Ganondorf's magic was destroyed by the Master Sword, which explains why Zant died, since there was no magic to keep him from the brink of death.

In Bold
This is true, Zant said so long as Ganondorf lived, he could revive Zant as he pleased. So even if Midna did use her power to make Zant "explode", what would have stopped Ganondorf from reviving him again? It's possible that Ganondorf revives Zant sometime after the battle with him, except we just don't see it.

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It looked more as if it was Zant who finished off Ganondorf... not the other way around. If you refer to my paragraph above, this is probably because Zant was revived by Ganondorf, as I mentioned before. PLUS, if you remember what Ganondorf says when confronting Zant "Whatever you desire, I shall desire it too". Even though Zant was possibly revived by Ganondorf, he knew he was merely a pawn in Ganondorf's game, and since he knew he wasn't worthy of being a true King of Twilight, he probably wished for death upon himself, which brought him to commiting suicide by breaking his own neck. Simultaneously... leading to Ganondorf's death as well.

The quote "Whatever you desire, I shall desire it too." was really just a reference to the same statement made by the Essence of the Triforce to Ganondorf in ALTTP's backstory. It simply means that Ganondorf will grant Zant's wishes... in exchange for his own service.

The order of Zant's neck cracking with Ganondorf's own death does not mean Zant is responsible for Ganondorf's death. Ganondorf is the source of the evil magic, so naturally he is the last to die. Zant was just maintained by it, so he died first.

Okay, this hasn't got much to do with the topic (well, it does, vaguely) but the first time I played TP through and saw Zant (the bit where you just saw the bottom half of his face) I thought he was Vaati. I mean, I knew it wasn't him when he took his helmet off etc, but yeah.

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