LA Before or after OOS/OOA?

In most timeline theorys, LA occurs before OOS/OOA (Im not discussing whether ALTTP occurs before, after, or whatever).. why is that?

I am currently playing OOS (Linked version, so I Finished OOA), but I heard that at the end of the game, Link sails away on a boat.. Isn't that the same boat as the one that gets destroyed at the start of LA? I'm not sure if what I heard is right though.

Also, in OOS the second miniboss is Facade, the face that appears on the floor.. which is the same as the one Link dreams about having as a boss in the.. 3rd.. 4th dungeon? Doesn't it make sense then that LA occured after OOS/A? (simply because he remembers him from OOS)

And almost all the enemies from LA appear (again) in OOS/A.. I know most enemies appear in EVERY zelda game, but.. Yeah. Can anyone tell me exactly why almost everyone places LA before OOS/OOA?

Sorry if this has been asked before, I can't find anything about it!

EDIT:

While im at it, maybe someone can awnser this too: According to the United Wise Man's timeline theory, TMC/FS/FSA occur after TWW. I agree with that, but how do you explan the return of Ganon at the end of FSA? How did he return to life after being turned to stone and flooded at the end of TWW?

EDIT..of the EDIT:

Eh, I just remembered that LA link is an adult, and OOA/OOS link is a little boy.. which totally messes up my previous arguments .. ugh. Can I remove the thread?

LA's boat is not the same boat as in Oracles.

Everyone places LA before Oracles because placing it in-between as been shown to be inconsistent with the text. Likewise, we know that LA's manual refers to ALTTP from other sources so it cannot be after Oracles.

Some people believe, however, that the Oracle saga represents Link's journey of enlightenment. Also, it's impossible for Oracle Link to be LA Link because Princess Zelda has already met the Legendary Hero (in ALttP). She has not met Oracle Link until their rendezvous within the game.

Originally Posted by Romero

How did he return to life after being turned to stone and flooded at the end of TWW?

Aonuma stated that he was dead from that point on. So I'd have to say reincarnation.

Heh. I see.. so its ALTTP - LA because the manual states that it is the same Link.. then the triforce stays with the Royal Family, a new Link is born, and this (Kid) Link gets drawn to the Triforce for the whole OOA/OOS quest, meeting Zelda in the process.. Right! I get it now, thanks, that clears up alot.

Then after PH the whole TMC games start, and a reincarnated Ganon controls Vaati.. ok! ^^ I totally get it now, thanks!

I think at the moment that LA is after OOS/OOA

I think it also true it could be that ALTTP Link is before OOS-OOA.

I think ALTTP Link I a totaly different Link than the one in LA and OOS-OOA. While OOS/A LA is the same person..
Like In ALTTP Link get the whole triforce. Some ages later, a new Link apear (maybe a reborned like in WW, or as a decendant), that also carry the whole triforce. That new link will be sended to two diferent countries, (hohlodrum and Labrynia.) And at the end sail to sea. That's is when theLa starts, He is getted older owe the sea journey. And there he will "almost captured" in the wind fish dream. That would also explain why the triforce might never really apear in LA, since it's the wind fish who is dreaming, and not Link, even though Link is a own person, and controls his own actions.

(this is not the actual answer, it just me thinking aloud, OK)..


About the FSA/FS I really dont know, I've only played MC there
(And I really not sure where to place that one, quite yet. since there is no ganon or triforce to go after? so it can almost be everywhere in the timeline,,. Ok not everywhere, but you know what I mean...)

No more than two different Zelda games have ever featured the same Link.

LoZ/AoL
ALttP/LA
OoT/MM
OoS/OoA
FS/FSA
TWW/PH

The only two games to not have paired sequels are TP and TMC. Ironically, both of these games' sequels could easily fill existing gaps in storyline (TP's sequel could explain how the Triforce of Courage was split; TMC's sequel could explain the backstory to FS).

All the information you need to know to make this thread successful. You can't argue with that thread.

I also believe that the Oracles and LA feature the same Link, taking place some time after ALttP.

Originally Posted by TheKyle

I also believe that the Oracles and LA feature the same Link, taking place some time after ALttP.

REad my thread and you'll see why you are wrong.

Well, the first thing you state is that the two ships look nothing alike. This is downright false. If you would actually bother to examine the ships, you would not only see that they are alike, but that the Oracle ship is in fact a modified version of the exact sprite used in LA (the Oracles ship is changed to show the sails open as opposed to closed as they were in LA).

Next you say that the quote from LA’s manual “Who know's what threats may arise from Ganon's ashes?" is saying that at this time, Ganon is still dead and has not been revived in any way. While clearly this quote does imply that Ganon is dead, I have no clue where you are getting the “and has not been revived in any way” bit from. No such thing is implied. So no, it doesn’t contradict the Oracle’s ending.

Then you bring up the reference to the fulfillment of a Hyrulian prophecy in LA’s manual. Unfortunately, the specifics of the terms of its fulfillment are not given, so it really can’t be conclusively connected to any one Link. The only other information about this prophecy we are given is its relation to the “legendary hero”, a title both Links (Oracles and ALttP) are referred to as.

Finally, the “next threat to your homeland” quote. Ganon being a threat to Hyrule is certainly not unique to any one game. I’m not really sure what you were trying to get at with this point.


So unfortunately, I still don’t quite see why I am supposedly wrong…

As an addition to Herooftime5, here is some more proof; (Yeah, I'm 100% convinced now)

- Loz came out, and then a sequel, AOL
- Alttp came out afterwards, and then LA, if ninty did the same thing again, they might have meant it to be a sequel too.. they started messing with the timeline when OOT was released, right? And why would they confuse people by making a totally different timeline and a completely different Link at that time? it was only 1990 or something..

in OOA and OOS you see various cutscenes where Link is a boy, not the teenager he was during LA.. are you saying that Link traveled for like, 5 or 6 YEARS on that boat, before ending up in Koholint?

PS: lol, maybe Link just likes to travel on a boat . TWW, OOA/OOS ending, LA, yup. the guy sure has a thing for boats.

EDIT: another thing that validate that LA link is the same as ALTTP link..

This is ALTTP Link:



And THIS is LA Link. note that they are EXACTLY alike. And I mean a full 100%:



And finally , in OOA and OOS link is wearing white tights or whatever you call them. not really pants. While in the other 2 he just wear a .. kilt.. skirt.. lol. Are you saying that Link used to wear tights, but then was like "You know, I really don't like these things."

There's nothing illogical about someone being a boy in one game and then a teenager in a sequel. It's called aging.

This is TWW Link:


And THIS is TMC Link. They too are exactly alike (and I mean a full 100%), yet I doubt anybody's going to try and argue that they are the same Link.


Four Swords Link(s), just for good measure:


And finally...
tight consistency really doesn't matter.

*sigh* ok, theyre all the same. screw the fact that nintendo started messing up the timeline at OOT, and that they had NO reason whatsoever to create a LA manual with about a million references to him being a hero of hyrule, but NOT the one from alttp.

isn't that a little off? and really, what is someone returning to home, doing 5 years or more on a ship. nintendo isn't that airy about the timeline, they actually care about it. if they wanted to create a timeline rip making ooa/oos link the same link as alttp, they'd made him look older in the artwork.
but ok, whatever you say.

I think you need to familiarize yourself with the idea of a “retcon”. Back when LA first came out it may have been their intent to connect it with ALttP, but with the release of the Oracles, that intent was clearly changed.

Furthermore, Link spending 5 years abroad is far from impossible, or even unlikely. We have no idea the amount of time between the Oracles and LA (under the hypothetical assumption that they are the same Link), so you have no grounds to assume an error of continuity in his age.

"nintendo isn't that airy about the timeline, they actually care about it."

Thanks for that, it gave me a good chuckle

Originally Posted by TheKyle

Well, the first thing you state is that the two ships look nothing alike. This is downright false. If you would actually bother to examine the ships, you would not only see that they are alike, but that the Oracle ship is in fact a modified version of the exact sprite used in LA (the Oracles ship is changed to show the sails open as opposed to closed as they were in LA).

Either you're wrong, or my vision is totally screwed up. Let me think about that for a little...

Next you say that the quote from LA’s manual “Who know's what threats may arise from Ganon's ashes?" is saying that at this time, Ganon is still dead and has not been revived in any way. While clearly this quote does imply that Ganon is dead, I have no clue where you are getting the “and has not been revived in any way” bit from. No such thing is implied. So no, it doesn’t contradict the Oracle’s ending.

How many living objects you know exsist in the form of ashes (besides bacteria)? So there you're wrong.

Then you bring up the reference to the fulfillment of a Hyrulian prophecy in LA’s manual. Unfortunately, the specifics of the terms of its fulfillment are not given, so it really can’t be conclusively connected to any one Link. The only other information about this prophecy we are given is its relation to the “legendary hero”, a title both Links (Oracles and ALttP) are referred to as.

hyrulian prophecy was not mention in the Oracle series. And the only game that Ganon was destroyed in was ALttP. Period

Finally, the “next threat to your homeland” quote. Ganon being a threat to Hyrule is certainly not unique to any one game. I’m not really sure what you were trying to get at with this point.

Is the Holodrum and Labryana Links Homeland? NOt that I know of.

So unfortunately, I still don’t quite see why I am supposedly wrong…

Hopefully you will now. And also dont forget the Link in the Oracle games is not the same as the Link in LA. Dont even try to argue this. Myself alone, not including the rest of the wise men, will pile you with evidence, one being that zelda had not know Link before this game. It's also have been confirmed from Miyamoto that the Link in the ALttP is the same as the one in LA.

Oh yeah I not sure about this, but I don't think the Link in LA had a triforce mark on his hand. I'll check on this to verify.

Here's an interesting point that implies LA follows ALTTP. The final boss is made up of the "Nightmares", correct? Well, if you look at the forms that the "Nightmares" take, they are actually recreations of bosses that Link fought in ALTTP, such as Moldorm, Agahnim, Ganon, etc. So are the nightmares that Link fights literally his own nightmares that he had to face in ALTTP?

Originally Posted by HeroOfTime5

Either you're wrong, or my vision is totally screwed up. Let me think about that for a little...

Better call your optometrist.

How many living objects you know exsist in the form of ashes (besides bacteria)? So there you're wrong.

Yeah, I think I misunderstood what you were trying to say before. Ganon is dead at the time the LA Link leaves on his quest for enlightenment. I agree on that. It still doesn’t contradict the Oracles ending, as Ganon is seemingly killed then as well.

hyrulian prophecy was not mention in the Oracle series. And the only game that Ganon was destroyed in was ALttP. Period

At the end of a linked Oracles game Zelda tells Link that he is the “legendary hero” who is fated to appear when peace crumbles in Hyrule. That sounds rather prophetic to me. I also disagree that ALttP is the only game Ganon could be considered “destroyed” in.

Is the Holodrum and Labryana Links Homeland? NOt that I know of.

No, they probably aren’t. What does it matter though? Link is simply preparing for the scenario that Hyrule itself should be threatened in the future.

Originally Posted by TheKyle

Better call your optometrist.

Check out the deck of the ships genius.

Yeah, I think I misunderstood what you were trying to say before. Ganon is dead at the time the LA Link leaves on his quest for enlightenment. I agree on that. It still doesn’t contradict the Oracles ending, as Ganon is seemingly killed then as well.

Actually the sacrafice was never complete to bring him back to full power.

At the end of a linked Oracles game Zelda tells Link that he is the “legendary hero” who is fated to appear when peace crumbles in Hyrule. That sounds rather prophetic to me. I also disagree that ALttP is the only game Ganon could be considered “destroyed” in.

Check the text dumps for the endings. That's the only dam game out there so far where Ganon has been destroyed.

No, they probably aren’t. What does it matter though? Link is simply preparing for the scenario that Hyrule itself should be threatened in the future.

Next threat at your homeland. Tell me what that means to you.

Originally Posted by Raian

Here's an interesting point that implies LA follows ALTTP. The final boss is made up of the "Nightmares", correct? Well, if you look at the forms that the "Nightmares" take, they are actually recreations of bosses that Link fought in ALTTP, such as Moldorm, Agahnim, Ganon, etc. So are the nightmares that Link fights literally his own nightmares that he had to face in ALTTP?

Very, Very good piece of evidence I miss. Good job man. so Thekyle what do you have to say about this?

Originally Posted by Raian

Here's an interesting point that implies LA follows ALTTP. The final boss is made up of the "Nightmares", correct? Well, if you look at the forms that the "Nightmares" take, they are actually recreations of bosses that Link fought in ALTTP, such as Moldorm, Agahnim, Ganon, etc. So are the nightmares that Link fights literally his own nightmares that he had to face in ALTTP?

That's right, IIRC he fights a Gel, Moldorm, Lanmola, Agahnim, and Ganon. All enemies ALttP Link faced. However, these are also all enemies Oracles Link will have faced, hypothetically assuming he is also the Link in LA. Gel is a generic enemy found in LA, and Oracles. Moldorm as the first boss in LA. Lanmolas are also an enemy found in the desert of LA. Agahnim appears as a mini-boss in Oracle of Seasons, and Ganon of course as the last boss of a linked Oracles game.

The ships actually do look exactly the same.

Originally Posted by TheKyle

However, these are also all enemies Oracles Link will have faced, hypothetically assuming he is also the Link in LA.

Oracles Link is not the same Link as the one in LA because Oracles Link has never been introduced to Princess Zelda, who he knew from ALttP, IIRC.