Lex and myself have worked out OoT's time travel. It was all based on the gameplay.

Originally Posted by Ganon the King

So then my OoT/MM/TP/TWW theory is correct in saying the bit that Link closes the door of Time?

Your theory maybe correct? Wait and let me brainstorm it! but the whole closing the door of time, well, I have to agree with Lex on this...not you! Sorry.

Why would you agree with him. Hes talking about some thing which is harder to understand than what I have explained.

Hes saying that closing the door of time can be done even without link closing it and going to his journey in MM and it will still be closed. Unbelievable, it just doesen't work sorry.

Originally Posted by Ganon the King

Hes saying that closing the door of time can be done even without link closing it and going to his journey in MM and it will still be closed. Unbelievable, it just doesen't work sorry.

This would be nice, except that's not what I said. At all.

Originally Posted by My REAL Opinion

Zelda warped Link to the Temple of Time so he could return to his original time using the Master Sword after [he closed] the Door of Time [in the future] to ensure that the future they'd created would be safe from evil.

I don't remember Link putting the sword back into the pedestal...

Originally Posted by Ganon the King

I don't remember Link putting the sword back into the pedestal...

So he didn't carry out Zelda's orders?

Originally Posted by Zelda

You must lay the Master Sword to rest and close the Door of Time...

Interesting interpretation...

^ That is why I agree with Lex. He has so much quick and thoughout anwsers! And the fact that anytime I've tried to argue with him, I've inevitabley been proven wrong... Even if I have evidence backing me up, he has more that disproves my theory!

Woking through to a personal interpretation (of the original topic)...

Each object exists within a "personal history", which, through alteraions of the past, may be muted. Magic Beans, originally not planted, may become so. The Ocarina, which originally did not travel to Termina, may do so. The mastersword, which was once held by Link during his seven year coma, can now spend those seven years at rest.

Grand interaction between these objects, however, creates a larger "Universal History" which is "semi-mutable", maintaining a constant course but allowing for the minor alterations in the "histories" of individual objects. Thus Link's affairs with with the Windmill Man are possible in an immutable timeline.

I like it Mr. Shneebly.... Good thoughts guys...

No. What drugs are on again? Are you crazy? Oh my god... I feel like hitting you so much now...

Zelda sends Link back in time. Are you blind, deaf or stupid?

By Zelda sending Link back in time to a point where he has not yet pulled the MS out then Link closes the door of time, that is putting the master sword to rest. This does not mean you have to literally put the master sword back into its pedestal but let it rest. And it is laid to rest by not letting events repeat themselves. Now do you understand?

Ganon, dude, simmer. This is not productive.

Look Lex and I have already danced this dance. Before I was suddenly involved in a larger issue (my beleif in the double timeline collapsed tht week) I realise that there is hardly enough evidence, on either side, for a perfect conclusion. Its a matter of opinion.

You have yours, he has his. Don't assume yours to be 100% true, because it cannot be shown to be so. Do not lourd it over his, because it is no more valid. Calm down and discuss you opinions, rather than attempt to enforce them.

Alright... here is something to consider (or I don't remember). Does Zelda actually say that she would send him back to the time BEFORE he pulled the MS or not? Think about that, but not to hard. He also had his hand in the temple in the gerudo desert, AFTER he pulled the MS. Why would they mess that up?

Originally Posted by Ganon the King

By Zelda sending Link back in time to a point where he has not yet pulled the MS out then Link closes the door of time, that is putting the master sword to rest.

So Zelda tells Link to lay it to rest, then proceeds to do so herself? Again, since when does time travel in OoT alter the future in such a way as you suggest?

Your failing to actually understand what is going on here.

Zelda plays the song and Link is instantly sent back to child Link time. He does not go to the temple of time by himself and put the master sword into the pedestal.

And by laying something to rest does not mean you have to do it by hand...

Originally Posted by Ganon the King

Zelda plays the song and Link is instantly sent back to child Link time.

Again--the visuals say otherwise. Prove to me that a boss warp portal can send Link back in time. From my experience, they just teleport him.

Prove? He got sent back, and its obvious from Zelda's words that once Link closes the door of time, and as long as he does not re-open it and pull the Ms from the pedestal, history won't repeat itself.

Originally Posted by Ganon the King

He got sent back, and its obvious from Zelda's words that once Link closes the door of time, and as long as he does not re-open it and pull the Ms from the pedestal, history won't repeat itself.

That's not what I'm asking you to prove. I'm asking you to prove that he's sent back in time straight from that scene, due to Zelda playing Zelda's Lullaby.

Are you blind?? She plays the song, he is warped away, and then it shows him being warped to the temple of time.

Originally Posted by Ganon the King

Are you blind?? She plays the song, he is warped away, and then it shows him being warped to the temple of time.

No, you play the song, he's warped away, and then you see him appearing in the past as though he just put back the Master Sword, after a bunch of cutscene stuff happens in-between.

Originally Posted by LexLionHart

No, you play the song, he's warped away, and then you see him appearing in the past as though he just put back the Master Sword, after a bunch of cutscene stuff happens in-between.

Lex. Be fair. Where are we told 'a bunch of cutscene stuff happens in-between'? That's something you made up. The quote Zelda says before Link warps back is...

ZELDA: "Give the Ocarina to me... As a Sage, I can return you to your original time with it."

She's saying she can send him back to his original time because she is a sage. We then see him at the ToT as a child. There is absolutely no need to believe that any scenes take place in between her sending him back, and him holding the sword. Nor would it make sense given that quote.

Originally Posted by mohammedali

Lex. Be fair. Where are we told 'a bunch of cutscene stuff happens in-between'?

No. A bunch of cutscene stuff does happen in-between. The ending credits cutscenes, that is.

Mohammed, Lex is talking about what we actually see. We see Zelda send Link back, the ending credits roll, and then we see Link back at the Temple of Time.