ATTN: Lex or any of the 7 Wise Men

You may have heard me mentioned by either Darken Poltergeist of jhurvid, but probably not, so I'll introduce myself. I used to post here fairly regularly, but left because of the members' generally inability to even acknowledge the possibility of two timelines, but debating that isn't why I'm here. Like jhurvid, according to DP anyway, I'm pretty much past caring about the number of timelines or relevant parallel universes. Whether there is one timeline or two doesn't affect the game order much. Your theory of:

OoT-MM-TP-TWW-PH-TMC-FS-FSA-ALttP-LA-(OoX)-LoZ-AoL-(OoX)

isn't all that different from this one now, is it?

OoT-TP-TWW-PH-TMC-FS-FSA-ALttP-LA-(OoX)-LoZ-AoL-(OoX)
Child OoT-MM

But anyway, I like the idea of the 7 Wise Men, and in all humility, if GameFAQs had a 7 Wise Men, I'd be on it. As such, I've been sporadically working on an update to the current GameFAQs timeline FAQ (with the help of about 30 others) for nearly a year now. It's quite comprehensive, except for one thing. The section about the Seal War sucks. Discussing it never usually accomplishes much, so I've never really discussed it in detail, and don't have much more than a passing knowledge on the subject. When I showed DP the FAQ, he agreed that the SW section needed fleshing out. He then showed me the Wiki you guys had written and pointed me to your very own SW section. DP gave me permission to use it in the GF FAQ, but I haven't been able to reach Lex today. I understand that he and DP were the main writers of that section, so I thought I should get Lex's permission as well. Has he been on these boards today? And if he hasn't if any of you speak to him through AIM or anything like that, could you point him to this topic? I would greatly appreciate it.

I also have one final question about your Wise Men theory. It's always bugged me that single timeline theorists write OoT-MM in their theories. I've always felt that it would be more accurate to write Child OoT-MM-Adult OoT, since that's the order that they chronologically happened. Do you guys agree with this?

Hey, TE9. I'm jhurvid btw, but I underwent a name change.

LionHarted is almost as much on this board as I am so he should be on at least in a couple of hours and he is very likely to read this topic.

Also, I agree with your point about placing MM between Child OoT and Adult OoT but sometimes it's easier to just define both halves as OoT and place it before MM, since MM is technically a sequel.

It's good to see you again I hear you're working your way up on this board. But anyway, I agree that it is easier and quicker to just say OoT-MM, but I was just wondering if you guys agreed that CO-MM-AO was more accurate, cuz timelines probably should go in chronological order . But it's not a big deal.

So, what was it exactly that you wanted me to include in the guide? Do you want me to include just your first post, or the whole thing?

Originally Posted by TripleEspresso9

So, what was it exactly that you wanted me to include in the guide? Do you want me to include just your first post, or the whole thing?

If you mean the topic I PM'd you earlier, just the first post because that was my whole argument. That's if you agree with everything that's said, of course. I wouldn't want you to add anything that you didn't think was correct.

Alright. I'll definitely look over it. Thanks!

And do you think it will be any problem to get Lex's permission to use that section?

The FAQ's gonna be great, by the way. As of right now, it's 30 pages long and just over 20,500 words. That's how expansive and complete it is.

Originally Posted by TripleEspresso9

And do you think it will be any problem to get Lex's permission to use that section?

The FAQ's gonna be great, by the way. As of right now, it's 30 pages long and just over 20,500 words. That's how expansive and complete it is.

I don't know about the wiki since I rarely have time to look over the huge expanse of information there. Nearly every important point has been discussed on ZU at some stage.

WOW at hearing the size of the new FAQ! Well done, TE9! I do have one question to ask you. At the moment, I have quite a lot of college work to do, but I do have an extensive topic in the works about all the important powers in Hyrule (Wisdom, Courage, Light, Darkness & Forest) and how they all work and interact (with quotes for support).

Maybe I can provide the version without quotes in the next couple of days (will also need proof-reading with LionHarted). Would you mind waiting to read it before you put up your topic?

I definitely would be willing to wait, but my hope was to have the FAQ up and running by the time TP comes out, for the benefit of all the new posters to GF. I'd definitely be willing to include your topic in V3 (the next one up is 2.5) because it's going to be even bigger, what with the sections covering each game's manual and story in detail.

It seems really rude to not include your topic, but I think it might be for the best seeing as it sounds as if it'll difficult for my target audience (newcomers to the timeline business) to grasp, but I'll definitely include it in V3, and I wanted to post the FAQ today, since the boards are already starting to be flooded with new people, but if you think you can get me your topic by say, Tuesday or Wednesday, I'll see what I can do about including it

Here's a small taster of how it will begin...

To begin with, we must look at the creation of these concepts. When the Goddesses created the world, they left the Triforce behind to keep order in the world through the virtues of Wisdom, Courage and Power. In effect, the Triforce is Hyrule’s maintenance system. As long as the Triforce generates power from the Sacred Realm, Hyrule will be ordered and at peace. However, in opposition to the power of the gods is the power of chaos as described in LoZ, that which we now recognise as the power of darkness. In similar respect to the Wheel of Time, the power of darkness tries to destroy the order in Hyrule and remake the land into a world of darkness: the Dark World.

To prevent the chaos from destroying Hyrule, the gods use three abilities of their own to overcome it: Destiny, the power of Light and the virtues of order. Whenever Hyrule is about to be attacked by the true forces of darkness, there is always a Hero and a Princess of Destiny alive with the virtues of courage, wisdom and power to defeat him. There is always some form of prophecy on hand as well to guide the Hero and his supporters to the items embodied with light with which he may defeat the darkness with. The power of Light is also that of the gods, but instead of maintenance, it works as a security system to fight the powers that seek to destroy it.

It sounds very interesting, but do you agree with my feeling I had in my last post that it might be a little complicated for beginers?

Actually, I think I can make it much simpler. What I posted was actually written only recently and somewhat in a mess. Give me some time to get everything ready and I'll post the full thing proprerly.

Here's another thing. I think this would fit absolutely perfectly right after the game stories section, because it would explain the central themes found in all of the stories. I am willing to look at it though. Also, I did include your entire thing about TWW and ALttP, though.

Originally Posted by TripleEspresso9

Here's another thing. I think this would fit absolutely perfectly right after the game stories section, because it would explain the central themes found in all of the stories. I am willing to look at it though. Also, I did include your entire thing about TWW and ALttP, though.

Thanks very much. I've already established how to make my new topic more structured for audiences to understand (it is my primary concern) and it should encompass everything. It was lucky me and LionHarted were able to extensively discuss it last week because everything has become so simple and fits into place.

Okay, here's what I forgot to post, lol. The section about stories isn't in this guide cuz DP and OD didn't finish it and send it to me. So, what would you say to me including your ALttP/TWW thing, but holding off on the central themes thing till V3?

Sounds good.

Alright

And your section has been successfully added. All I have left to do is a final editing, and the guide can go up tomorrow!

Originally Posted by TripleEspresso9

You may have heard me mentioned by either Darken Poltergeist of jhurvid, but probably not, so I'll introduce myself. I used to post here fairly regularly, but left because of the members' generally inability to even acknowledge the possibility of two timelines, but debating that isn't why I'm here. Like jhurvid, according to DP anyway, I'm pretty much past caring about the number of timelines or relevant parallel universes. Whether there is one timeline or two doesn't affect the game order much. Your theory of:

OoT-MM-TP-TWW-PH-TMC-FS-FSA-ALttP-LA-(OoX)-LoZ-AoL-(OoX)

isn't all that different from this one now, is it?

OoT-TP-TWW-PH-TMC-FS-FSA-ALttP-LA-(OoX)-LoZ-AoL-(OoX)
Child OoT-MM

You know, you're right about that. But we feel that the split timeline introduces unnecessary concepts that are even seen as "out there" by physicists, despite Stevan Hawking proposing such a concept to explain the "information paradox" in relation to black holes. It's easier to explain The Timeline as one line of time, hence the name.

But anyway, I like the idea of the 7 Wise Men, and in all humility, if GameFAQs had a 7 Wise Men, I'd be on it.

Who's to say that GameFAQs can't have a Tribe of Evil? Sorry, but me and a few other Wise Men got a bit of a laugh out of that a few months ago. You won't be hearing stuff like that from me for about a week, because I'm gonna do some research on zen. Is that capitalized? I'm not sure yet, but Wikipedia is sure to have the answer. Anyway, after that week of zen, I won't be on until after TP comes out on GCN, and even then I might not even be on here until summer vacation, what with me getting a job and going to school. Maybe even creating my own philosophical views, I'm not sure yet. Philosophy could really help people, whereas religion just causes wars. But that's not a matter to discuss here.

As such, I've been sporadically working on an update to the current GameFAQs timeline FAQ (with the help of about 30 others) for nearly a year now. It's quite comprehensive, except for one thing. The section about the Seal War sucks. Discussing it never usually accomplishes much, so I've never really discussed it in detail, and don't have much more than a passing knowledge on the subject. When I showed DP the FAQ, he agreed that the SW section needed fleshing out. He then showed me the Wiki you guys had written and pointed me to your very own SW section. DP gave me permission to use it in the GF FAQ, but I haven't been able to reach Lex today. I understand that he and DP were the main writers of that section, so I thought I should get Lex's permission as well. Has he been on these boards today? And if he hasn't if any of you speak to him through AIM or anything like that, could you point him to this topic? I would greatly appreciate it.

Ah, we have the same problem here. ZG21 is our greatest enthusiast when it comes to avoiding debate over the Seal War(s), and he has a reason to do so; it never gets us any closer to the answer, yet it gets us closer to each other's throats. Now, Lex does get on AIM quite a bit. He hasn't really been on that much lately, because he's been working on a project about our two favorite Kakarikan brothers. We go by the same name on AIM; it's far more convenient. Except for me. Mine's just initials. MoALttP makes things a whole lot easier over AIM. But you wouldn't really want to talk to me for more than an hour or so. I tend to lose any sanity and coherent thought after that. Ah, the blissfullness of attention deficit disorder.

I also have one final question about your Wise Men theory. It's always bugged me that single timeline theorists write OoT-MM in their theories. I've always felt that it would be more accurate to write Child OoT-MM-Adult OoT, since that's the order that they chronologically happened. Do you guys agree with this?

Well, we tend to simplify things. Anyone who looks at in detail will realize that's what we mean, but we place them as the games we are for the sake of simplicity. You can expect things like this to have zen tied into them if you're hearing them from me in the future.

So do you think getting Lex's permission will be any problem? If you talk to him, could you ask for me?

Originally Posted by TripleEspresso9

I also have one final question about your Wise Men theory. It's always bugged me that single timeline theorists write OoT-MM in their theories. I've always felt that it would be more accurate to write Child OoT-MM-Adult OoT, since that's the order that they chronologically happened. Do you guys agree with this?

I actually include that in the original version, but for the same of simplicity, we removed it for our "official timeline", since we're mostly tracking progression from one game's ending to the next game's beginning, if you get my meaning.

So, yes, it would be more than acceptable to present it that way. Again, sorry I haven't been on; the internet crapped out yesterday.