OoT-tWW: the flood effects...

OoT-tWW: the flood effects

100 years ago:

- A nightmare became true…
- Link got knowledge of his duty of saving the world of Hyrule… a child as he was in that time, couldn’t do anything to help…
* This takes us to the part where Link first met Ganondorf face-to-face; and then freezed in time for 7 years…
*Ganondorf managed to enter in the Sages Realm, as Link opened the door of time to get the legendary Master Sword, in order to defeat Ganondorf.

Link, now known as the Hero of Time, journeyed himself to the darkness lair, and defeated the evil one… that got trapped in:

-“Gap Between dimensions” as ganon himself send his phantom when failed to stop the hero…
- Any other place, maybe in the “other world” to where the dead goes…

The gods sent endless rains from the skies that flooded all of Hyrule, this happened:

- After MM, as Link in mm beginning was on Hyrule, on his way to Términa, not accidentally, but on porpoise, in search of someone unknown, for unknown reasons... And only at the end of MM, when link returned to Hyrule, the gods did actually flood the world.

- Before MM, which could indicate us why Link was heading to Términa, as Hyrule was being slowly flooded, most of the people in Hyrule ran off to Términa, hoping to run away from the waters… Link then, also went to the parallel world, in search of the friend we keep questioning who is… and that friend went to Términa before Link, that’s why he was heading there, searching to find his friend…

Then, the gods chose a group of people who would survive the deluge, and build a new world on the water surface… For this, every mountain top didn’t got covered by the overflow.

100 years after OoT-(tWW):

As far as Link watches the ocean, he can only see islands, many of them; scattered chess pieces around the chessboard, the ocean; this fact leads, me to a rather obvious question, 100 years ago, in Hyrule, the tallest mountain; Death Mountain it was… then, we could consider the spirits temple to be a high-arquitecture that only its top would stay above the ocean’s waves…and maybe Zora’s domain, as it was inside of a cave at the “top” of a river…

But, besides that, there were no mountains in Hyrule; how do we analyse the fact that in only 100 years, countless mountains have formed themselves and “step out” of the waters?

- This may have been actions from the Gods; they created new islands so that people would have enough places to live… With only two or three islands, the people chosen to build a new world wouldn’t have enough places to build the cities, towns or whatever… they wouldn’t have enough places to cultivate land, (I know that in tWW, we don’t see cultivated lands, but people must have got food from some place, eh?)
When the population would start to grow, then there wouldn’t be enough islands to all people live!

- If not the Gods, then I’m sure that it was impossible; mountains that tall (they needed to be tall) wouldn’t surely grow in only 100 years…

Then, I’m going to compare the supposedly grown islands in tWW to places in OoT:

Forest Haven- it is said that it was previously Kokiry forest, as the Great Deku Tree is there, and the small koroks had once human shapes (kokiry children).
But the fact that Kokirys were always children, why would they change to those small beings?
And as it is said in tWW, when you first meet the Great Deku Tree, he said that the koroks had human form, and that they gained that shape when they came to the woods… in OoT, kokirys can’t leave the woods… In my opinion koroks were just normal humans, then they all lost themselves in the woods, and took those forms…

Dragon Roost Island- Also said to be what remains from Death Mountain:

- As we can all tell, Dragon Roost is inhabited by the Rito people, whose is the evolutional race of the Zoras, let’s follow the events shall we?

1. Zoras lived in the domain up the river, in Hyrule.
2. Death Mountain was inhabited by the Gorons, who were sensitive to water.
3. When the world was flooded, Gorons may have:

3.1- Evolved to a race that didn’t need to eat rocks and that could live in water & air!
3.2- Died all, excluding three or so… that migrated to other islands.

4. Zoras didn’t need to run away from the waters, then why fighting the ocean until evolving to the Rito?

4.1- They couldn’t live in Zora’s Domain, as it was destroyed because of the deluge.
4.2- As their domain was destroyed and Gorons weren’t in Death Mountain (D.R.), they migrated there, evolved into the Rito and started revering Valoo, god of skies, instead of Jabun, lord of seas… This was to be expected, as they were now “living in the air”… but when and how did Valoo appeared?

This is very strange indeed, from where did the Gods came from?

Windfall island- This one is considered as previously Kakariko village, I hardly believe that, as Kakariko was on the foot of Death Mountain, and in tWW it is some km away…

Of course, if some say that some places in OoT are in tWW, then what happened to the Market? I’m sure you remember that… The town of the Hyrule castle… well, the castle itself is below the waters, as we can see after the Tower of Gods dungeon. But, what happened to the town? It should have been destroyed leaving only the castle intact…

And another thing, at the end of OoT, 100 years ago, Link guarded the M.S. in the pedestal at the Temple of Time, why in tWW the M.S. is in the castle?
Who was the one who possibly took the sword out of the temple and enshrined it again in the castle?

-Maybe it was the king who took the Master Sword to the castle, fearing that the temple would be destroyed, and apparently was right; in tWW we don’t see the temple of time anywhere…
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Well, I’m not an expert in making theories; actually, this was my first one ever… so… if something like this has been made before, plz let me know!
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The porpoise of this theory was not to inform in timeline terms, but to analyse the effects of the flood that “took OoT to tWW”… which to me seem very strange and inexplicable if we consider the events and terms on OoT, and what they turned out to be in tWW.

Okay, I'm going to tackle a bit of this, then leave the rest to the Wise Men...

The Wind Waker, doesn't take place 100 years after OoT, but, hundreds...notice the S at the end. You information there is an old and outdated qoute, that was taken back.

Términa is an alternate dimension, he went there accidently. Not because of a flood or anything. The flood takes place centurys after OoT, I can not stress enough that TWW took place atleast 800 years after Oot. The flood could possibly come... O i dunno 4 to 6 hundred years after OoT.

Meidi of the Ruto tribe in TWW is a decendant of Laruto who is a Zora in the WW. Proof that the Ruto tribe evolved from the Zora. The Koroks qoutes you have are misinformantion on your part, play the game again, or find a reliable sourse of qoutes online.

The islands you see are the mountain range from OoT. Wait, what am I saying? you ask. I'm saying you don't see the whole world in OoT just the parts that were needed. around the edges of the map are clouds and Cliffs, you can't seriously think that OoT's world is all that there was. The only Islands we know that are indeed places from OoT is Dragon Roost and Forbidden Woods.

We know Dragon Roost is Death mountain Mainly because Dragon Roost is an active Valcano, the only one of two in the WW. Voloo is possibly either the Dragon of the Fire Temple(sorry can't remember its name) or possible a decendant of that said dragon.

We know the goron's mostly died out, then the ruto came to live there, the evolved Zora would need a place to live, they couldn't survive in the water, seeing as how Ganondorf said the fish cannot survive.

As far as the market and the Temple of Time. You didn't see all of hyrule when you went below. who know's what happend to them... TP?

I believe I've answered your theory compleatly, the Wise men shall clean the rest up I'm sure.

Originally Posted by Triforce_Heart

- After MM, as Link in mm beginning was on Hyrule, on his way to Términa, not accidentally, but on porpoise, in search of someone unknown, for unknown reasons... And only at the end of MM, when link returned to Hyrule, the gods did actually flood the world.

He ended up in Termina accidently. He didn't know that following Skullkid would lead him into Termina. And that person is not unknown, it's Navi, and the reason wasn't unknown: Navi was a beloved friend of Link, and Link just wanted to find her. And Hyrule didn't flood at the end of MM. Did you even pay attention to the TWW intro legend?

Originally Posted by TWW Intro Legend

This is but one of the legends of which the people speak...
Long ago, there existed a kingdom where a golden power lay hidden. It was a prosperous land blessed with green forests, tall mountains, and peace. But one day a man of great evil found the golden power and took it for himself...
With its strength at his command, he spread darkness across the kingdom. But then, when all hope had died, and the hour of doom seemed at hand...
...a young boy clothed in green appeared as if from nowhere. Wielding the blade of evil's bane, he sealed the dark one away and gave the land light. This boy, who travelled through time to save the land, was known as the Hero of Time. The boy's tale was passed down through generations until it became legend...
But then...a day came when a fell wind began to blow across the kingdom. The great evil that all thought had been forever sealed away by the hero...
...once again crept forth from the depths of the earth, eager to resume its dark designs.

That describes Ganondorf's return to Hyrule, and he nearly fulfilled his dream of conquering it. This quote shows the reason they flooded Hyrule:

Originally Posted by King Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule

Once, long ago, this land of Hyrule was turned into a world of shadows by Ganon, who sought to obtain the power of the gods for his own evil ends. My power alone could not stop the fiend, and our only choice was to leave the fate of the kingdom in the hands of the gods...
When the gods heard our pleas, they chose to seal away not only Ganon, but Hyrule itself...and so, with a torrential downpour of rains from the heavens...
Our fair kingdom was soon buried beneath the waves, forgotten at the bottom of the ocean.

Obviously Hyrule was flooded when Ganondorf returned from being sealed away at the end of OoT by the Hero of Time, and he nearly destroyed Hyrule. So the people prayed to the Gods and they flooded Hyrule, long after OoT and MM.

Originally Posted by Triforce_Heart

- Before MM, which could indicate us why Link was heading to Términa, as Hyrule was being slowly flooded, most of the people in Hyrule ran off to Términa, hoping to run away from the waters… Link then, also went to the parallel world, in search of the friend we keep questioning who is… and that friend went to Términa before Link, that’s why he was heading there, searching to find his friend…

Again, the flooding took place long after OoT and MM, not during them. And the reason there are people in Termina who look like people from Hyrule is because Termina is a parallel world to Hyrule, so the people look the same. No one is questioning who the friend is, as it is very obvious that the friend is Navi. Navi almost certainly didn't go to Termina, and Link wasn't trying to get to Termina, he was just searching through the Lost Woods when he was ambushed by Skullkid. So he followed Skullkid and ended up in Termina by accident.

Originally Posted by Triforce_Heart

100 years after OoT-(tWW):

When are people going to learn? TWW isn't 100 years after OoT, that was a translation error! What was actually said was that TWW is hundreds of years after OoT. I really am still astounded that there are some people who still think that TWW is only a century after OoT.

Originally Posted by Triforce_Heart

But, besides that, there were no mountains in Hyrule; how do we analyse the fact that in only 100 years, countless mountains have formed themselves and “step out” of the waters?

I'd say that we didn't see all of Hyrule in OoT, so there were probably mountains around the game area. Also, TP will give us a better idea of where mountains are in Hyrule before it flooded, since TP will basically be a bigger, better version of OoT Hyrule.

Originally Posted by Triforce_Heart

Then, I’m going to compare the supposedly grown islands in tWW to places in OoT:

Forest Haven- it is said that it was previously Kokiry forest, as the Great Deku Tree is there, and the small koroks had once human shapes (kokiry children).
But the fact that Kokirys were always children, why would they change to those small beings?
And as it is said in tWW, when you first meet the Great Deku Tree, he said that the koroks had human form, and that they gained that shape when they came to the woods… in OoT, kokirys can’t leave the woods… In my opinion koroks were just normal humans, then they all lost themselves in the woods, and took those forms…

Dragon Roost Island- Also said to be what remains from Death Mountain:

I've already done a comparison. You can check it out here:
OoT - TWW Comparison

Originally Posted by Triforce_Heart

- As we can all tell, Dragon Roost is inhabited by the Rito people, whose is the evolutional race of the Zoras, let’s follow the events shall we?

1. Zoras lived in the domain up the river, in Hyrule.
2. Death Mountain was inhabited by the Gorons, who were sensitive to water.
3. When the world was flooded, Gorons may have:

3.1- Evolved to a race that didn’t need to eat rocks and that could live in water & air!
3.2- Died all, excluding three or so… that migrated to other islands.

4. Zoras didn’t need to run away from the waters, then why fighting the ocean until evolving to the Rito?

4.1- They couldn’t live in Zora’s Domain, as it was destroyed because of the deluge.
4.2- As their domain was destroyed and Gorons weren’t in Death Mountain (D.R.), they migrated there, evolved into the Rito and started revering Valoo, god of skies, instead of Jabun, lord of seas… This was to be expected, as they were now “living in the air”… but when and how did Valoo appeared?

The Gorons didn't evolve at all, most of them probably migrated to Holodrum and Labyranna, since there are Gorons living in those lands. Some Gorons probably stayed in Hyrule, but they slowly died out due to small numbers, and by the time of TWW, only three were left in Hyrule.

The Zoras evolved into the Rito probably because the Gods didn't want the Zoras to rediscover the Hyrule beneath the waves, so they used their powers to evolve them into the Rito. A lot of Hyrulean Zoras probably couldn't live in saltwater, so that may have caused them to evolve. Some Zoras that could just about stand saltwater probably migrated to Labyranna, since they live their aswell.

Originally Posted by Triforce_Heart

This is very strange indeed, from where did the Gods came from?

They aren't Gods, they're Spirits. Valoo is probably from a distant land. Jabun is probably a descendant of Lord Jabu-Jabu. The Great Deku Tree is a descendant of the OoT Great Deku Tree.

Originally Posted by Triforce_Heart

And another thing, at the end of OoT, 100 years ago, Link guarded the M.S. in the pedestal at the Temple of Time, why in tWW the M.S. is in the castle?
Who was the one who possibly took the sword out of the temple and enshrined it again in the castle?

TWW is HUNDREDS of years AFTER OoT. And Link didn't guard the Pedestal of Time and the Master Sword at all. Where on earth did you get that idea from? Nothing even remotely suggests it. It is currently unknown as to why the Master Sword is in a hidden room in Hyrule Castle in TWW, but this should be explained in TP.

Originally Posted by Triforce_Heart

-Maybe it was the king who took the Master Sword to the castle, fearing that the temple would be destroyed, and apparently was right; in tWW we don’t see the temple of time anywhere…

It can't have been the King. The Master Sword can only be wielded by the true hero who will rid Hyrule of evil. King Daphnes says himself in TWW that his power couldn't stop Ganondorf, so he can't of even picked up the Master Sword, ergo, he can't have moved it.

Originally Posted by Dr_Bryan

We know Dragon Roost is Death mountain Mainly because Dragon Roost is an active Valcano, the only one of two in the WW. Voloo is possibly either the Dragon of the Fire Temple(sorry can't remember its name) or possible a decendant of that said dragon.

We don't know that Dragon Roost is Death Mountain. That subject is highly debateable, since there is plenty of evidence for and against it. Valoo can't be Volvagia, since Volvagia was killed by the Hero of Time, and Volvagia and Valoo look nothing alike. Valoo has wings and legs, Volvagia only has arms. They are totally different. And Valoo can't be a descendant of Volvagia, since there was no other dragon of his kind in OoT, so he couldn't reproduce.

Posted by ZeldaGamer21
We don't know that Dragon Roost is Death Mountain. That subject is highly debateable, since there is plenty of evidence for and against it. Valoo can't be Volvagia, since Volvagia was killed by the Hero of Time, and Volvagia and Valoo look nothing alike. Valoo has wings and legs, Volvagia only has arms. They are totally different. And Valoo can't be a descendant of Volvagia, since there was no other dragon of his kind in OoT, so he couldn't reproduce.

There are goron paintings, It's an active Volcano, only one of 2! And since OoT states that Death mountian is the highest peak in Hyrule and Dragon Roost is the Highest peak in TWW it seems obvious. That and the fact that it's the only island where bomb plants. Evendence is pretty clear cut.

As far as Volvagia and Voloo, I said it's a possiblity, not that it was fact... Your right in saying Volvagia is dead. Yet you provided nothing in saying that Valoo can't be a descendant of Volvagia. Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist, The game had no need to show us another dragon of Volvagia's kind. And there had to be other dragons of his kind or else he wouldn't have been born, right?

Also, Dariania said the dragon had terrorised his people before, and that a hero used a hammer to defeat him... Exactly how The Hero of Time did... Thus we know that there had to be more dragons, possibly "parents" of Volvagia, or Volvagia himself, which makes a clear indication that even if the Hero of Time defeated Volvagia that he could come back...

Actually, Darunia told Link as the Sage of Fire that he had "sealed the evil in the Volcano". In other words, there is the definite possibility that Volvagia wasn't killed in OoT. However, I cannot imagine that Valoo and Volvagia are the same because Valoo is inherently good (I think he is meant to be a guardian spirit, if I remember rightly) but Volvagia is inherently evil. There's a direct contrast between them.

That said, Valoo actually completes the three guardian spirits for the elements of Forest, Fire and Water. The Great Deku Tree, Valoo and Jabun/Jabu-Jabu.

It's also possible that Volvigia wasn't inherently evil, Ganondorf could have used him as a puppet, such as he did with Agimin(Wizard of ALttP, I'll learn how to spell his name one day). But, I do agree that the likelyhood of Volvigia being Voloo is rather odd. I feel that Voloo is a decendant of Volvigia, in the sence that The Great Deku Tree in the WW is the decendant of OoT's. Jabun and Jabu-Jabu? They could be the same or Jabun a decendant?

Originally Posted by Dr_bryan

It's also possible that Volvigia wasn't inherently evil, Ganondorf could have used him as a puppet, such as he did with Agimin(Wizard of ALttP, I'll learn how to spell his name one day). But, I do agree that the likelyhood of Volvigia being Voloo is rather odd. I feel that Voloo is a decendant of Volvigia, in the sence that The Great Deku Tree in the WW is the decendant of OoT's. Jabun and Jabu-Jabu? They could be the same or Jabun a decendant?

Volvagia was an evil dragon that was defeated by the "Goron hero" long before Ganondorf was alive.

Also, I think you'll find that the Deku Tree Sprout was a direct reincarnation, not a descendant, because he knew Link was a Hylian.

Okay, I'll have to give that to you. The Great Deku tree is a reincarnation, not a decendant...

But, that still doesn't say anything about Volvagia and Voloo not being decendants.

Originally Posted by Dr_bryan

Okay, I'll have to give that to you. The Great Deku tree is a reincarnation, not a decendant...

But, that still doesn't say anything about Volvagia and Voloo not being decendants.

No it doesn't, but from what we have seen in the series so far, good characters are descended from other good characters and likewise with evil characters. Volvagia was not a guardian spirit, he was a monster.

True... But where then do you theorize that Voloo came from?

Originally Posted by Raian

Volvagia was not a guardian spirit, he was a monster.

He may have been a corrupted guardian spirit.

Originally Posted by LexLionHart

He may have been a corrupted guardian spirit.

The fact that Volvagia was defeated by the Gorons long before OoT occurred implies that Volvagia was always evil. When Ganondorf revived him, he was still evil. I don't see any reasoning that he is or ever was good.

As for where Valoo came from, I can't honestly say without speculating. He appeared out of the blue, just like the two extra Sages did.

Originally Posted by Raian

The fact that Volvagia was defeated by the Gorons long before OoT occurred implies that Volvagia was always evil.

Or that he was corrupted before, as well.

Originally Posted by Raian

He appeared out of the blue, just like the two extra Sages did.

You also don't know that they're extra Sages. They could simply be the original Sages, except instead of taking on the role of maintaining Seals (since Ganondorf is no longer in the Sages' seal), they now tend to the Master Sword itself.