Analyzing ALttP quotes to prove Wise men's Timeline.

Recently playing through a rom version of ALttP I noticed bits and pieces that could make the ZU's timeline proven, I will take time over the next two weeks to use only quotes from ALttP to prove one Timeline and the order of the games.

So here we go.

From ALttP -MAIDEN IN SWAMP PALACE
“...The Triforce will grant the wishes of whoever touches it, as long as that person lives... That is why it was hidden in the Golden Land.”

“Only a select few were told of its location, but at some point that knowledge was lost...”

“The person who rediscovered the Golden Land was an evil thief named Ganondorf. Luckily, he couldn't figure out how to return to the Light World...”

- In OoT, The actually person who rediscovered the Golden Land was Link not Ganondorf, yet Ganondorf did get the Triforce. We know Ganondorf returned to the Light world in OoT. And Ganondorf caused seven years of terror on the land. Link of course awoke and then sealed Ganondorf away in the Sacred Realm. Link was then sent to the past, at which point Ganondorf is still Sealed in the Sacred Realm. Making this quote by the Maiden in the swamp correct. Therefore my first theory, is that the events of the future never actually happen. They happen yet they are shrouded in mystery. Then are in a way erased from existence, only Ganondorfs seal remains.

In the Wind Waker They honor “The Hero of Time” as a child when the kids become of age…between 7 and 12. Then in the Hyrule castle, you can clearly see that the “Hero of Time” is an adult. This goes to show that after the events of OoT no one truly knows what happened, except Link and possibly Zelda and the Sages. Continue reading…

From ALttP - MAIDEN IN SKULL WOODS

“...Do you know the prophecy of the Great Cataclysm? This is the way I heard it... If a person with an evil heart gets the Triforce, a Hero is destined to appear... ...and he alone must face the person who unleashed the Great Cataclysm.

If the evil one destroys the Hero, nothing can save the world from his wicked reign. Only a member of the Knights of Hyrule, who protected the Hylian royalty, can become the Hero... You are of their bloodline, aren't you? Then you must rescue Zelda without fail!”

-First she states that the Great Cataclysm is the way she heard it, meaning it is not 100% truth, possibly but, not necessarily. The Hero MUST be a “MEMBER” of the knights of Hyrule. Then she asks if he’s of the “Bloodline” This indicates that to be a member you must be of the Bloodline.

From ALttP - MAIDEN IN THEIVES' TOWN
“As the sages sealed the way to the Dark World, the Knights of Hyrule defended them from the attacks of evil monsters. I heard that the Knights of Hyrule were nearly wiped out in that battle...”


“You are the last one to carry on the bloodline of those knights... It's ironic that the last one in the line has the potential to become the Hero of legend. Surely you can destroy Ganon!”

- Link of ALttP is the last in the Knights bloodline. This to me says that there had to be another Seal War, I know we’ve debated this. Who’s to say that this “Other Seal War," isn’t the infamous “Demon’s War” Possibly the Four Swords? Also this has no mention that it was Ganon that was sealed away, only that the knights feel in battle protecting the Sages.

To be the last in the bloodline means all the others must have died, and seeing as how there are knights in all the Zelda games besides LoZ and AoL means ALttP MUST come before LoZ and AoL.

MAIDEN IN ICE PALACE
They say the Hylian people mastered mysterious powers, as did the seven sages. But the blood of the Hylia has grown thin over time. And we who carry the blood of the sages do not possess our ancestors' powers, either.

But our power will increase if we mix the courage of the knights with the wisdom of the sages! Perhaps there is still a way in which we can
help you. But there is little time before the gate at the castle linking the worlds opens completely.

If you defeat Ganon, this world will vanish, and the Triforce will wait for a new master. I believe in you... Good luck!

-Proof that the Sacred Realm is no more. Which is why LoZ and AoL never even mentions these places. Proof that the Triforce’s new master is non other than Link of ALttP, which means that it will belong to the Hylian Royal family. And since it’s in its whole for the first time since being ripped out of Link and Zelda at the End of the Wind Waker, it stands as proof that The Oracle of Ages/Seasons take place after ALttP. Since we see them in Hyrule Castle at the start of OoA/S.

Please bare with me as I'm still working on this, I plan, by the time I finish A Link to the Past a few times, to prove the Liner Timeline theory and Prove the order of the games. Please post with any info I should search for in ALttP.

Thanks.

Some points that might help you.

1) Link needed to be an adult to be the Hero of Time. Therefore, Link couldn't have erased those events and still have been the Hero of Time celebrated by the people.

2) I recommend you read this topic that I made a while back. It's got a lot of interesting information about the development of the timeline from OoT to AoL.

http://forums.legendsalliance.com/in...howtopic=10959

3) The age before LoZ was referred to as an "age of chaos" because the Triforce was not used to bring order to the land since the King split it into three. If we infer that the Triforce was used to hold back the darkness, then we can explain how Ganon was reborn through the darkness when the Triforce was split.

Thank you for the Link there, it will be helpful as I continue.

I believe, Link was the Hero of Time no matter what, he just fullfilled his destiny to become the Hero. Now in the game, we know he returned to the past to relive the 7 years. To me, this implys that Ganondorf would remain locked away, yet everything else Link had done would be erased. Like defeating the Twin sisters in the Spirt Temple, hence why they are still around in OoA/S.

Maybe a better wording is in order, Link didn't nessicarily erase the events as much as the events were to become legend, as stated by The Wind Waker.

In a sence, everyone would believe Link would have to be an Adult to be The Hero of Time. That I believe also is why Link is shown as the adult Hero of Time in the Castle, while being honored as a boy on the islands above.

Dr_Bryan, I appreciate you trying to help prove our timeline, but using quotes from just one game isn't going to help much. This line from your first post is a bit odd:

Concurrent Proof that the Sacred Realm is to be never more.

What the Maiden meant was that the Dark World will disappear, not the Sacred Realm, since the SR was transformed into the DR by Ganon's evil, and when Ganon was defeated at the end of ALttP, the Dark World vanished, causing the Sacred Realm to revert back to its normal form.

Also, you're using quotes from the US or EU versions of ALttP. The most accurate quotes come from a properly translated text dump of the Japanese ALttP. Here's a link to one:

http://www.zeldalegends.net/files/te...me_quotes.html

Cross out the Concurrent, I was typing faster than I was thinking. I never said it be error free.

As far as the versions, I will stick to the curent US version for the simple a reason, most people know the English version. Not everyone cares about the Japanese and English differences. I admit they make a difference, though.

Now as far as what the maiden meant, I will not doubt that she meant the Dark world would vanish. The Essence of the Triforce did say "This World will vanish." Though with so many different versions, there's no point in even trying to establish canon, because every quote would then be taken differently.

Thank you though for the link to the Japanese qoutes, I will use it, along with the English. I will atleast prove, that TWW can ideed take place before ALttP and show place ment of the Four swords with the qoutes from ALttP.

The problem with the NOA English translations of LoZ-AoL-ALTTP is that there was a lot added and changed that the developers had not intended. We use the NOA translation for later games like OoT and onwards because we have established that they learned their lesson after ALTTP.

No doubt. I'm compairing qoutes from the origianal ALttP on SNES, then from GBA, and then from ROM's, and finally, I'm taking qoutes from the Japanese version by way of the link ZG21 gave me. Also the link Raian posted is helping alot to.

With so many different versions of the same game, it's going to be difficult to prove that ALttP references the questionalbe ones in the Timeline. But, I'm working to prove that it atleast mentions the events of FS, FSA, OoA/S and quite possibly TWW.

Just stick with the most accurate Japanese texts for LoZ-AoL-ALTTP, Dr_bryan. It will simplify things and earn credibility.

PS: Make sure you use Zethar II's translation. Nothing against Johan but Zethar II is generally accepted to be the more experienced/accurate translator.

Sure will, thanks for the help, and when I do mention things qoutes from now on in this thread I will use both the English and Japanese qoutes. That way I can analyze them both.

Originally Posted by Dr_bryan

- Concurrent Proof that the Sacred Realm is to be never more. Which is why LoZ and AoL never even mentions these places. Concurrent proof that the Triforce’s new master is non other than Link of ALttP, which means that it will belong to the Hylian Royal family. And since it’s in its whole for the first time since being ripped out of Link and Zelda at the End of the Wind Waker, it stands as proof that The Oracle of Ages/Seasons take place after ALttP. Since we see them in Hyrule Castle at the start of OoA/S. And cannot take place before.

after ALttP comes LA as in the prologe of the game says that the Hero sets out in a quest of enlightment(spelling?). I'm with the theory of the Oracle series after LA.

Originally Posted by Dr_bryan

Recently playing through a rom version of ALttP I noticed bits and pieces that could make the ZU's timeline proven, I will take time over the next two weeks to use only quotes from ALttP to prove one Timeline and the order of the games.

So here we go.



- In OoT, The actually person who rediscovered the Golden Land was Link not Ganondorf, yet Ganondorf did get the Triforce. We know Ganondorf returned to the Light world in OoT. And Ganondorf caused seven years of terror on the land. Link of course awoke and then sealed Ganondorf away in the Sacred Realm. Link was then sent to the past, at which point Ganondorf is still Sealed in the Sacred Realm. Making this quote by the Maiden in the swamp correct. Therefore my first theory, is that the events of the future never actually happen. They happen yet they are shrouded in mystery. Then are in a way erased from existence, only Ganondorfs seal remains.

In the Wind Waker They honor “The Hero of Time” as a child when the kids become of age…between 7 and 12. Then in the Hyrule castle, you can clearly see that the “Hero of Time” is an adult. This goes to show that after the events of OoT no one truly knows what happened, except Link and possibly Zelda and the Sages. Continue reading…



-First she states that the Great Cataclysm is the way she heard it, meaning it is not 100% truth, possibly but, not necessarily. The Hero MUST be a “MEMBER” of the knights of Hyrule. Then she asks if he’s of the “Bloodline” This indicates that to be a member you must be of the Bloodline.



- Link of ALttP is the last in the Knights bloodline. This to me says that there had to be another Seal War, I know we’ve debated this. Who’s to say that this “Other Seal War," isn’t the infamous “Demon’s War” Possibly the Four Swords? Also this has no mention that it was Ganon that was sealed away, only that the knights feel in battle protecting the Sages.

To be the last in the bloodline means all the others must have died, and seeing as how there are knights in all the Zelda games besides LoZ and AoL means ALttP MUST come before LoZ and AoL.




-Proof that the Sacred Realm is no more. Which is why LoZ and AoL never even mentions these places. Proof that the Triforce’s new master is non other than Link of ALttP, which means that it will belong to the Hylian Royal family. And since it’s in its whole for the first time since being ripped out of Link and Zelda at the End of the Wind Waker, it stands as proof that The Oracle of Ages/Seasons take place after ALttP. Since we see them in Hyrule Castle at the start of OoA/S.

Please bare with me as I'm still working on this, I plan, by the time I finish A Link to the Past a few times, to prove the Liner Timeline theory and Prove the order of the games. Please post with any info I should search for in ALttP.

Thanks.

Impossible. The event in which Ganon is sealed must happen, otherwise he is not sealed. Why should Ganon remain sealed and everything else change?

He became the hero of time at the age of 16-17, but he started collecting the spiritual stones at the age of 12, so that was when he became 'a' hero, and the green clothes became iconic. He didn't become the hero of time until later, but TWW says that he was known as the hero of time. TWW does not say 'when' he became the hero of time, which was later on. But he started his quest as a child, so that is the tradition.

No, she says that only a 'member' can be the hero, and then she asks if Link is of the bloodline. It doesn't say you have to be of the bloodline to be a member, but this is the most likely meaning.

Hmm, you make a good point, but couldn't Link's descendants be Knights? Also, being a knight does not mean you are a Knight of Hyrule.

Well, that would definitely explain the absence of the Sacred Realm in TWW. (In case you didn't know, I'm a late-placed TWW supporter).

I just thought I'd clear up some of the things that didn't quite follow.

Originally Posted by darthcucco

Impossible. The event in which Ganon is sealed must happen, otherwise he is not sealed. Why should Ganon remain sealed and everything else change?

He became the hero of time at the age of 16-17, but he started collecting the spiritual stones at the age of 12, so that was when he became 'a' hero, and the green clothes became iconic. He didn't become the hero of time until later, but TWW says that he was known as the hero of time. TWW does not say 'when' he became the hero of time, which was later on. But he started his quest as a child, so that is the tradition.

No, she says that only a 'member' can be the hero, and then she asks if Link is of the bloodline. It doesn't say you have to be of the bloodline to be a member, but this is the most likely meaning.

Hmm, you make a good point, but couldn't Link's descendants be Knights? Also, being a knight does not mean you are a Knight of Hyrule.

Well, that would definitely explain the absence of the Sacred Realm in TWW. (In case you didn't know, I'm a late-placed TWW supporter).

I just thought I'd clear up some of the things that didn't quite follow.

I'm not saying the events of future OoT didn't happen. I'm saying that Ganon was sealed away, and then Link was sent to his past to be a child again. At that point Ganon would have been sealed. Which, makes the Madians statement absolutely correct. Think about it this way. When Link and Ganondorf enters the sacred realm, Then only Link comes out, some would think that either, Link defeated Ganondorf(which he did) or that he got lost and could not find a way out.

And yes, she did say that Link had to be the 'member' of the knights. Since Link was indeed the hero. And the Hero HAD to be a member of the Bloodline.

Link's descendants would have the bloodline that is nessicary. Yes, to be the Legendary Hero, Link would have to have been from the Knights of Hyrule.

I believe TWW is the Connection of Old Hyrule in OoT to Hyrule in ALttP. I'm not going to say that it is impossible that TWW is last in the Timeline, but I will say that it is so highly unlikely that, it is almost idiotic(no offence). If it's last why is Ganon, Ganondorf in the game?
Because he hadn't lost what made him human...Stated something like that in FS or FSA, That's why Link only fight Ganon in ALttP and not Ganondorf.