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Old 11-01-2006, 04:37 PM
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A question/possible discovery about Tetra...

As you all know by now, it was decided that the Sleeping Zelda storyline of AoL established why every princess after her were called Zelda but not that princesses before her could not be named Zelda (we can assume that the princesses of destiny are named Zelda, like the reincarnated King of Evil is always called Ganondorf and the Hero is called Link).

But a while back on gamefaqs, someone contested this by saying that if Princess Zelda was disguised as Tetra all her life, she should never have been christened Zelda at all, which shows that all Hyrule princesses are referred to as Zelda automatically. This made me wonder whether part of Zelda's disguise was to keep her immortal without her realising such immortality (it's a concept that has been done before in cinema, although I can't rightly remember which film it was), which could explain why she is shown in the painting along with the other pirates as her attendants. Of course this contradicts with the fact that the King of Red Lions never refers to Zelda/Tetra as his daughter or with any sort of affection for her.

So, I was looking at TWW's script for possible information about the subject and I found this quote from Jabun (second quest) which was oddly phrased.

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Originally Posted by TWW
Have you learned the whereabouts of the one who carries on the bloodline of the princess, Zelda?
So Tetra, as well as being Princess Zelda, carries on the bloodline of the Princess Zelda (the existence of the comma could be interpreted to show that the original princess is not named but the fact that a princess is identified to be the ancestor of the bloodline suggests to me that the name of this princess is Zelda). Now take into account that Zelda still knows nothing of her identity as a princess after her transformation from Tetra and that she actually returns to her form as Tetra after the game ends. I have a theory of how this all pieces together.

Tetra's form is not a mere disguise, as I had originally assumed, but her true form as the pirate heir to Hyrule's Royal Family. Her incarnation as the Princess Zelda can be explained to be the "awakening" of her royal ancestor's bloodline within her (she takes on the form of the Princess Zelda who we saw in the painting as well as phrased by Jabun). After being awakened by destiny, she returns to her original form when her duties to protect the Triforce of Wisdom from evil (as placed upon her ancestors by the Gods) were complete. It's a bit speculative, I admit, but it keeps in line with the concepts of bloodline rebirth that exist in other areas of the timeline (such as Link's relation to the Knights of Hyrule or how the Hero of Time lost the elements that made him a hero when his quest was finished) and explains the general inconsistencies with the simple explanation.

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Originally Posted by TWW
The Triforce of Wisdom is none other than the sacred power of the gods that we have kept from Ganon's clutches for so many long years. The gods placed upon your ancestors the task of protecting it from evil's grasp.

The Nintendo Gallery figurine description seems to support this; she is Zelda as the heir to the Hyrulean Royal Family but she is in truth the pirate Tetra.

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Originally Posted by TWW
Princess Zelda is the legitimate heir to the Hyrulean royal family. She is actually the pirate Tetra.
PS: Despite the claims I had previously made, this quote proves that the term "Hyrulean" has been used before FSA and so the claims that it represents the descendants of the Hylians might not be an accurate proof for timeline discussion.

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Old 11-01-2006, 05:24 PM
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Re: A question/possible discovery about Tetra...

In regards to him not showing affection to her as his daughter, how do we know that she is his daughter. Just because he is the king doesn't automatically mean that he is her daughter, for all we know Tetra could be his great-great-great-granddaughter. Someone that distant to you, you really wouldn't care all that much. Affection comes after knowing them. Not straight away.

I have my doubts that she's the sleeping Princess as it states in the ALttP manual that the King of Hyrule ruled with the entire Triforce, and it was then split. This would not be the case with Daphnes, as he only made a wish and he wasn't a diligent or strong ruler - he gave up his kingdom.
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Old 11-01-2006, 05:30 PM
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Re: A question/possible discovery about Tetra...

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In regards to him not showing affection to her as his daughter, how do we know that she is his daughter. Just because he is the king doesn't automatically mean that he is her daughter, for all we know Tetra could be his great-great-great-granddaughter. Someone that distant to you, you really wouldn't care all that much. Affection comes after knowing them. Not straight away.

I have my doubts that she's the sleeping Princess as it states in the ALttP manual that the King of Hyrule ruled with the entire Triforce, and it was then split. This would not be the case with Daphnes, as he only made a wish and he wasn't a diligent or strong ruler - he gave up his kingdom.
1) I never said that she was his daughter. I said I was considering it before I looked at Jabun's quote.

2) I never said that Tetra/Zelda was the Sleeping Princess either because the event involving Sleeping Zelda takes place after ALTTP.
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Re: A question/possible discovery about Tetra...

I agree wholeheartedly with this conclusion. Although it is also important to note that her being called "Zelda" revolves around her possession of the Triforce of Wisdom.
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Originally Posted by Ganondorf
Tell me... If you are not Zelda, then why do you have this fragment of the Triforce?
Ganondorf has been looking for "Princess Zelda"--i.e., the holder of the Triforce of Wisdom.
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A piece of the Triforce was given to the Hero of Time and he kept it safe, much as Zelda kept hers.
OoT Link is known in legends as the 'Hero of Time'; OoT Zelda, on the other hand, is known by her name--'Zelda'. This seems to demonstration a connection between the title of 'Hero of Time' and the princesses who hold the Triforce of Wisdom being called 'Zelda.' 'Zelda', in this sense, seems to be a title more so than a name. Of course, this comparison seems to strengthen the TWW Hero bloodline concept a bit, but I won't start that one up unless you want me to.
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Old 11-01-2006, 05:38 PM
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Re: A question/possible discovery about Tetra...

I think the Hero-Knight's bloodline concept is strengthened by what we are seeing in the game series.

The Hero and the Knights of Hyrule possess the power of Courage, which is represented by the power of the Triforce of Courage in OoT and TWW. It can be argued that this power makes Link the Hero of Time.

Princess Zelda (all the Princesses of Destiny) and the Sages possess the power of Wisdom, which is represented by the power of the Triforce of Wisdom in OoT and TWW. This power is what transforms Tetra into the embodiment of Princess Zelda.
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The Hero and the Knights of Hyrule possess the power of Courage, which is represented by the power of the Triforce of Courage in OoT and TWW. It can be argued that this power makes Link the Hero of Time.
The "power of courage" is present in all Heroes. It's what makes them Heroes. Interestingly enough, Link is noted as demonstrating the courage of the Knights in FSA as well as ALttP.
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Originally Posted by OoT
The future depends on thee, Link... Thou art courageous...
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Originally Posted by MM
I see you are young and have tremendous courage.
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Originally Posted by TWW
The elders wished only for the youths to know courage like the hero of legend...
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Originally Posted by FSA
Such bravery. You're just like the Knight of Hyrule!
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Originally Posted by Oracles
The three triangles on your left hand symbolize power, wisdom and courage--these are the mark of the hero who is fated to appear when peace crumbles in Hyrule.
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Old 11-01-2006, 05:50 PM
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Re: A question/possible discovery about Tetra...

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The "power of courage" is present in all Heroes. It's what makes them Heroes. Interestingly enough, Link is noted as demonstrating the courage of the Knights in FSA as well as ALttP.
By "The Hero", I was referring to all the Heroes; just like with Princess Zelda, I am referring to all the Princesses of Destiny.
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Old 11-02-2006, 04:43 AM
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Re: A question/possible discovery about Tetra...

That's a good theory. I was thinking something along the same lines but you really put it all together really well. I totally support this.
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Old 11-02-2006, 11:48 AM
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Re: A question/possible discovery about Tetra...

So, what are you saying that, Zelda is the title given to the female royalty who holds the Triforce. This means that not every female has to be named Zelda? I think I understand this....
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Old 11-02-2006, 11:55 AM
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Re: A question/possible discovery about Tetra...

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So, what are you saying that, Zelda is the title given to the female royalty who holds the Triforce. This means that not every female has to be named Zelda? I think I understand this....
Zelda is the title given to "Princesses of Destiny"; Hyrule Princesses who play an important role in defeating evil in Hyrule.
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Old 11-02-2006, 12:08 PM
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That's a good theory. I was thinking something along the same lines but you really put it all together really well. I totally support this.
*repeats above quote*

You definately have something here, the fact that "Zelda" would be a title would fit. This explains why all the princesses of Hyrule are "named" Zelda. Though if I look at it through your theory, they weren't really named.
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Re: A question/possible discovery about Tetra...

So not every Princess has to be named Zelda? That would go against the AoL's story...Unless you say that AoL's Sleeping Princess was one of the princesses after TWW.
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...Unless you say that AoL's Sleeping Princess was one of the princesses after TWW.
That's right, man.
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Old 11-02-2006, 03:58 PM
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Re: A question/possible discovery about Tetra...

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So not every Princess has to be named Zelda? That would go against the AoL's story...Unless you say that AoL's Sleeping Princess was one of the princesses after TWW.
For the timeline to work out consistently, the Sleeping Princess story must take place between ALTTP-LA and LoZ-AoL. Therefore, all the princesses before her don't necessarily need to be called Zelda. The name keeps in pace with the games' title and can be explained with destiny.
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Old 11-02-2006, 10:17 PM
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Re: A question/possible discovery about Tetra...

Okay, I understand what you are saying now...lol. This does explain alot, and was a problem I had with TWW. You know with Tetra not knowing she was Princess Zelda. But, of course this clearly clears this up. Thanks and I have a theory I can support.

Oh and Raian, what exactly are the Hylian Knights? I sent a PM earlier, but I don't think it went through.
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Old 11-03-2006, 05:03 AM