After the flood

A friend and I are working on a project so we can find out what happened to each race after Hyrule was flooded. I am aiming to find similarities in the races of the Wind Waker and Ocarina of Time. Other important elements of this research project include similarities in supporting characters, and the Sacred Realm. I will begin my research by examining and working on theories that currently exist and testing them to see if they are true or false. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone would be interested in helping me as in the study of after the flood of Hyrule, each theory is just a door to another, in other words, it won't be easy. I already have some opinions of the theory that the Rito were originally the Zora. I don't exactly think this is true because the customs, appearence, and bloodlines of the Rito are in no way similar to that of the Zora. I also find it hard to believe that the Zora would flee to Death Mountain of all places. Why would they even flee if they were prefectly suited to living in water? That, I don't understand. So...anyone willing to help me with this research?

Originally Posted by skull link56

I already have some opinions of the theory that the Rito were originally the Zora. I don't exactly think this is true because the customs [...] of the Rito are in no way similar to that of the Zora.

They both carry the royal Zora symbol in their culture.

and bloodlines of the Rito are in no way similar to that of the Zora.

They are, just listen to what the only Zora in Wind Waker says:

Originally Posted by Laruto

You must find the one who carries on
my bloodline... The one who holds this
sacred instrument...

Thats right she's talking about Medli

I also find it hard to believe that the Zora would flee to Death Mountain of all places. Why would they even flee if they were prefectly suited to living in water? That, I don't understand. So...anyone willing to help me with this research?

Unlike the theory of Zoras turning into the Rito, the idea of Dragon Roost Island being the tip of Death Mountain is not a commonly accepted fact. There is support for it, like the bomb flowers and such but still there is no indisputable evidence.

The Zoras/Ritos could no longer live in the waters of Hyrule because they would then discover the old Hyrule which was supposed to be destroyed by the flood. Also the great sea is supposed to be fishless:

Originally Posted by Ganondorf

They are vast seas...
None can swim across them...
They yield no fish to catch...

Oh yeah and then there is also this:

Originally Posted by TWW

You got the Grappling Hook!
This was an item used by the
Rito people before they had wings.

I agree with "Uncle meat", some people say that Dragon Roost is Death mountain, but I think that it would be obvious that in that case there should be a race on dragon roost that had evoluted from gorons, and not from zoras. (as Medli is of the same bloodline as Laruto, its possible that zoras managed to evolute from fish to birds. there's a theory in real life about this hapenning in the future...)

Sure Rito appearence is in no way similar to zora, but they probably evoluted from fish to birds, of course they dont look like zoras anymore. It's the same as pre-historic animals that evoluted and these days some animals are descendants from them, whitout looking like them.

You want to know what happened to all the races after the Great Flood? Okay then:

- The Zora evolved into the Rito, with the help of Valoo andhis scales. This is supported by the fact that the Rito bear the Zora symbol on their clothes, plus, notice that the Rito's wings hang from their elbows. The Zora's arm fins also hung from their elbows. Plus, Laruto (the Zora Sage) states that Medli is of her bloodline. Also, Hyrulean Zoras couldn't survive in saltwater, so that's another reason they changed into the Rito.

- The Kokiri evolved into the Koroks, since the Deku Tree says that the Koroks once had human forms, and that the Forbidden Woods were once their home, and there are houses very similar to that like the Kokiri had in OoT.

- The Sheikah are extinct.

- The Gerudo apparantly migrated to other lands, since they reappear in FSA (which is after the flood).

- Hylians are dying out, as their blood is beginning to thin at the timeof TWW.

- The Gorons are unchanged by the Flood, and just manage to scrape a living off the Great Sea.

That's what happened to all the races after the Flood. Some Zoras and Gorons probably migrated to Holodrum and Labyranna when Hyrule flooded, since they appear unchanged in the Oracles.

I know that the Zora turned into the Ritos, but still I dont understand why!? They live in the water or near it, when suddenly the whole world is turned into a bit pool they should be happy? its kinda like a Utopia for them? Then why change?

And dont say that Zoras dont live in saltwater cuz they do in Mm..

Originally Posted by .Zelda.

And dont say that Zoras dont live in saltwater cuz they do in Mm..

You're right they do live in salty sea water in MM. Here's some proof..

Originally Posted by Tatl

I smell salt in the air, so the
ocean must be near.

Not to mention that in OoA, they even call themselves Sea Zoras.

Originally Posted by A zora in OoA

Don't think us
noble sea Zoras
the same as
those savage,
vulgar river
Zoras!

I belive that the Zoras could have lived in the Great Sea but they were changed in to the Rito by the gods so that they would not discover the old Hyrule.

UH! good point :O That would make sence

Originally Posted by Triforce_Heart

Sure Rito appearence is in no way similar to zora, but they probably evoluted from fish to birds, of course they dont look like zoras anymore. It's the same as pre-historic animals that evoluted and these days some animals are descendants from them, whitout looking like them.

O RL?

Same fins/wings, point noses/beaks, growth on back of head, similar eyes. There's not much that different.

The saltwater argument will go on forever, however I can assure you that Nintendo intended us to think that Rito were once Zoras.

There are two possibilites of Zora evolution:

A) The Gods evolved them magically, because they didn't want them to find old Hyrule under th sea.

B) HYRULIAN Zoras cannot survive in saltwater, think about it: MM Zoras ONLY live in saltwater, they exist in a parallel dimension, so I doubt they're that similar to Hyrulian ones, same to the Holodrum/Labrynna Zoras.

So, my theory is that Hyrulian Zoras are freshwater, Terminian Zoras are saltwater and Labrynnium Zoras are also salt water.

Originally Posted by Uncle Meat

Also the great sea is supposed to be fishless:

I do agree, but what about that fish that fills out the chart for you? How do you think he survives if the Great Sea is fishless?

Also, what about the Seagulls? They eat fish right? They also ate the pears, but we don't see them on any of the islands.

On a side note, the Great Sea isn't completely lifeless, since there are those giant squids.

Originally Posted by Vaati

I do agree, but what about that fish that fills out the chart for you? How do you think he survives if the Great Sea is fishless?

He's probably some sort of bottom feeder, living off plankton or such.
But anyway, remember that the Hyrulean Zora would have lived in rivers and thier diets would most likely consist of freshwater fish, but with the flood a huge change would be introduced with no warning so much of the aquatic life would have died due to the rapid shift in environments.
Because of this they'd need to find a new food supply as living in water would be difficult during the early years of the Great Sea, not to mention the fact that the new environment promoted dangerous forms of life. Living in the ocean would have been difficult with Gyorgs and Octorocks in larger numbers, which may account for Zora's from other lands not making homes in the Great Sea.

It's possible that the fishmen who fill the charts in TWW become the River Zoras in ALTTP. Remember that the fishmen were only aiding the King of Red Lions to repay their debt to him, they do not serve the light itself. Hence, their neutrality can be taken to represent their apparent neutrality in ALTTP.

Originally Posted by Raian

It's possible that the fishmen who fill the charts in TWW become the River Zoras in ALTTP.

Well they do have some common features which are pretty rare among fish. They both have a nose, ears, a fin at the top of their heads and somewhat similar colour of skin. But still I since there is nothing else connecting them I'd say it's a pretty unlikely theory if we keep in mind that the river Zoras are down right meanies in all the other games.

Originally Posted by Uncle Meat

But still I since there is nothing else connecting them I'd say it's a pretty unlikely theory if we keep in mind that the river Zoras are down right meanies in all the other games.

The river Zoras weren't all meanies, as the large Zora gave Link the flippers. This was why I raised the point that the fishmen were only helping Link to repay the debt to the KoRL. The river Zoras don't serve light or darkness out of personal favour and neither do the fishmen. Personality-wise, there are similarities.

Originally Posted by Raian

The river Zoras weren't all meanies, as the large Zora gave Link the flippers. This was why I raised the point that the fishmen were only helping Link to repay the debt to the KoRL. The river Zoras don't serve light or darkness out of personal favour and neither do the fishmen. Personality-wise, there are similarities.

Well I did say "all the other games".

Im to lazy to read the whole topic,so here

zora = evolves into rito
gorons = mostly die out,some live(the trade quest makes you trade with gorons)
kokiri = evolve into koroks(the deku tree said that the koroks once had a human form)
Deku scrubs = died out

Originally Posted by linkw

Deku scrubs = died out

Did not!
There are deku scrubs in TMC, FSA and the Oracles.