Where Does The Four Swords fit in?

I've been looking at the time line theories for a little while and haven't seen much about the Four Swords. Where does it fit in? I actually think it fits in right before Hyrule was flooded. But I dont really know. Does anyone out there have an idea about this?

It would have to be after Hyrule gets [un]flooded, as it is the prequel to FSA, which seems to happen immediately afterwards, and FSA is [a] prequel to ALttP. Without any timeline-sensitive storyline details, outside of the references to it in other games (which appear in only FSA and the GBA version of ALttP), it's impossible to place it anywhere else with any degree of certainty and with any degree of evidence behind the placement.

FS is almost entirely without connection to any other game in the Zelda series. In fact, at the time of its release, it could have been placed anywhere at all within the timeline.

Now, however, we beleive itto be the direct prequel to FSA, so wherever you place that game (ussually immediately before AlttP, as Lionharted said) you should place FS.

Four Swords is after The Minish Cap, and from this image:



that appears as the background in the Palace of Winds in TMC, we know that TMC is set on a sea, due to the islands that we see on the image. This means TMC must take place after the flood, and most likely after TWW, which means FS is also after TWW, since FS is a sequel to TMC.

If you have doubts about TMC being after TWW, just look around Hyrule in TMC. The Triforce symbol is all over the place. When the Flood occured, practically all knowledge (apart from the legend of the Hero of Time) of old Hyrule vanished, along with information regarding the Triforce. This means TMC MUST be after TWW, thus making FS after TWW.

So FS didn't happen before the Great Flood. Hope this and what others have said clears things up for you.

I agree. FS is generally agreed to be FSA's direct sequel, with FSA almost undoubtedly placing before ALttP. Whether FSA is ALttP's spritual prequel or not remains to be seen.

By the way, isn't it a bit contradictory to say TMC must place after TWW because all knowledge was lost after the flood? Just pointing that out.

Originally Posted by ZeldaGamer21

If you have doubts about TMC being after TWW, just look around Hyrule in TMC. The Triforce symbol is all over the place. When the Flood occured, practically all knowledge (apart from the legend of the Hero of Time) of old Hyrule vanished, along with information regarding the Triforce. This means TMC MUST be after TWW, thus making FS after TWW.

So FS didn't happen before the Great Flood. Hope this and what others have said clears things up for you.

Your reasoning here rather dictates that FS would come before the great flood, when all knowlege of the triforce was still well known and commonplace. It would make more sense to not have any triforce symbology around hyrule if all information regarding old hyrule was lost.

But nonetheless, FS comes after TMC simple because TMC goes about the creation of the Four sword, and FSA tells the story of vaati's escape from the sword.

Dont forget the MAJOR discovery that Master of ALttP found in TMC. The coded Hylain message on a book in the Library saying "Triumph Forks". I am still extremly hyped about this find here and I do not at all look at as just some mere easter egg. Nintendo put that there for hard core fans to find and it must only imply one thing. That TMC comes after WW.

wouldn't it be wonderful if TP was chock full of easter eggs like that, sure their fun to discover and such, but the implications are huge.

To each their own, I suppose. I still think it's just an easter egg put in by Capcom, but whatever.

Originally Posted by vacumgod

wouldn't it be wonderful if TP was chock full of easter eggs like that, sure their fun to discover and such, but the implications are huge.

Bah. Why do you want to see me get a pie thrown in my face? I sometimes think you enjoy seeing and/or think of me failing or possibly on the verge of maybe failing when you state aALL of my reasoning are just mere sh;ty assumptions. I do not think I am over assuming or speculating. I feel that Nintendo likes to throw these certain secrets in the games like this so we get an idea of how the chronology of Zelda works.

Don't you have respect for the fact that maybe Anouma is keeping his word by fullfilling his will to pull the series into a more visable timeline?!

Note: This was not my only reasoning for TMC to come after WW. Look at Hyrule in TMC and FSA. It is an island on a vast open sea! Would you not believe that maybe just maybe this hints that this game comes after WW seeing that the land of Hytrule is no continent, but surrounded by a VAST sea.

Originally Posted by LOZ Historian

Note: This was not my only reasoning for TMC to come after WW. Look at Hyrule in TMC and FSA. It is an island on a vast open sea! Would you not believe that maybe just maybe this hints that this game comes after WW seeing that the land of Hytrule is no continent, but surrounded by a VAST sea.

Of course, my discovery of islands and a sea around Hyrule in TMC didn't suggest that TMC was after TWW at all.

Originally Posted by LOZ Historian

Bah. Why do you want to see me get a pie thrown in my face? I sometimes think you enjoy seeing and/or think of me failing or possibly on the verge of maybe failing. I do not think I am over assuming or speculating. I feel that Nintendo likes to throw these certain secrets in the games like this so we get an idea of how the chronology of Zelda works.

Don't you have respect for the fact that maybe Anouma is keeping his word by fullfilling his will to pull the series into a more visable timeline?!

Note: This was not my only reasoning for TMC to come after WW. Look at Hyrule in TMC and FSA. It is an island on a vast open sea! Would you not believe that maybe just maybe this hints that this game comes after WW seeing that the land of Hytrule is no continent, but surrounded by a VAST sea.

Wait what???
I said that I would love TP to be full of timeline relating easter eggs and you say that I like watching you fail?... my friend, I think we need to go to marriage counseling because there is definantly a break in communication here.

I've said many times before that I appreciate what Aonuma is trying to do: Preform a grand fanservice by dwelving into the timeline a bit more with zelda titles.
Regarding the "triumph forks" text in TMC, yes, it is an easter egg, but who says that easter eggs are only for fun an games and cannot be taken seriously?

Anywho:
I would like to take this post to help redefine the land seen in TMC. It is not a mere island. Notice that when you go up any beanstalk, or jump the gap between the twinpeaks of Mt. crenel, you can see a large land mass that lays before you.
Perhaps it would better to assume hyrule, and the adjacent landmass to be miniature continents. They are of course probably not even close to the size of our own australia, but they do appear quite large.

Originally Posted by vacumgod

I would like to take this post to help redefine the land seen in TMC. It is not a mere island. Notice that when you go up any beanstalk, or jump the gap between the twinpeaks of Mt. crenel, you can see a large land mass that lays before you.

Well that may be so due to the highth that Link is in the sky when looking down at the world from the clouds. But when Link is at higher areas in the clouds the land is but a mere island in my eyes. Not to say that the other land masses proabably are islands as well.

Originally Posted by vacumgod

Perhaps it would better to assume hyrule, and the adjacent landmass to be miniature continents. They are of course probably not even close to the size of our own australia, but they do appear quite large.

Hmmm... well it is a island continent then like Australia. Nonetheless it is still vissable like ZeldaGamer21 pointed out in that pic of his.

Originally Posted by LOZ Historian

. The coded Hylain message on a book in the Library saying "Triumph Forks".

I still curious on how that makes much of a difference.

Originally Posted by Vacumgod

Anywho:
I would like to take this post to help redefine the land seen in TMC. It is not a mere island. Notice that when you go up any beanstalk, or jump the gap between the twinpeaks of Mt. crenel, you can see a large land mass that lays before you.
Perhaps it would better to assume hyrule, and the adjacent landmass to be miniature continents. They are of course probably not even close to the size of our own australia, but they do appear quite large

I think that's highly unrealistic. If you think about it do you ever see those large, high mountains in the actual game? Or do you see plains of land stretching out over the horizon? I doubt the landscape will change that quickly. Who knows maybe you are right.

Originally Posted by HeroOfTime5

I still curious on how that makes much of a difference.

Wind Waker is the only game to date that uses the term "Triumph Forks" to refer to the Triforce (which was apparently a mistranslation on the part of the people in Wind Waker since knowledge of Hyrule and the Triforce has been lost).

I think that's highly unrealistic. If you think about it do you ever see those large, high mountains in the actual game? Or do you see plains of land stretching out over the horizon? I doubt the landscape will change that quickly. Who knows maybe you are right.

Minish Cap uses an overhead view... there really is no horizon to be seen, unless I'm mistaken...

1) I think the idea is that the land above the clouds is so high up that from such a high point, the island of TMC Hyrule looks so small. The beanstalk in comparison, is not that high up and hence Hyrule looks much larger from that angle.

2) Aonouma did not work on TMC; Miyamoto did. It could be argued that Aonouma gave some directive to the storyline but there is only a minute chance that he had anything to do with the "Triumph Forks" reference within the game, considering that no one would effectively notice it without study as MoALTTP had done.