TP as the Seal War (speculative)

I've done some thinking, and I figured something out. It may be possible for the events of OoT and the events of TP to both, combined, be the Seal War of ALttP.

The clauses of the ALttP manual text, just before the beginning of the Seal War section, tell us about the taking of the Triforce by Ganondorf of the race of evil thieves from the Sacred Realm. As we all know, this only happens at two points in the series--OoT and ALttP. Obviously, under this theory, the taking of the Triforce would refer to OoT. But, as soon as it finishes the section on the claiming of the Triforce, the section titled "The Sacred Realm" ends, and the section titled "The Seal War" begins.

Some of the opponents of the OoT = SW theory disagree with it on the following grounds:
--We never hear, within the context of the Seal War story, that a Hero was ever found;
--The Sages do not battle alongside the Knights of Hyrule within OoT;
--We never see the King's involvement in the summoning of the Sages (and, besides that, the Sages must be awakened, which is not mentioned in the SW text)

It is entirely possible (although it remains to be seen) that the events of TP might, in fact, detail the background of the Seal War itself (after the taking of the Triforce in OoT). I would prefer to say that the two events combined represent the ongoing Seal War of the OoT era, but... whatever.

So far, we've seen the Twilight Realm, spreading like a "noxious cloud" of evil across the land, and even to the "royal palace," just like it happens in the Seal War story. We've seen the King of Hyrule calling a summit--perhaps the Sages are intended to attend this summit? We've seen Knights of Hyrule (and all over the place, at that). And we have the fact that, in TWW, no one knows of a Hero ever being found.

Perhaps, in the end, the Twilight Realm will be the evil that is sealed in the Sacred Realm, while Ganon is buried under the sea, and that the seal on the Twilight will be the seal that persists until ALttP? Just a thought.

It's an interesting theory. However, you know my personal view on the whole Seal War thing, but I have agreed (like you) to say that the ALttP manual could go either as OoT or a third Seal War. I do however like the concept of TP and OoT merging into one story, as the Twilight Realm does indeed spread like a gas and it does enclose on the royal palace (Hyrule Castle). However, in the E3 2005 TP trailer, we see that Hyrule Castle has already been engufled by the Twilight, and the ALttP manual makes it sound like Ganon's noxious gas is about to engulf Hyrule Castle.

Some of the opponents of the OoT = SW theory disagree with it on the following grounds:
--We never hear, within the context of the Seal War story, that a Hero was ever found;
--The Sages do not battle alongside the Knights of Hyrule within OoT;
--We never see the King's involvement in the summoning of the Sages (and, besides that, the Sages must be awakened, which is not mentioned in the SW text)

That's what I've used in my debates about the Seal War, but I've agreed to a neutral standpoint, so I'll leave the matter.

It's a good theory LionHarted, but we'll just have to wait until TP comes out to see if you are right.

Originally Posted by ZeldaGamer21

However, in the E3 2005 TP trailer, we see that Hyrule Castle has already been engufled by the Twilight, and the ALttP manual makes it sound like Ganon's noxious gas is about to engulf Hyrule Castle.

ALttP says that the Knights and Sages engage the darkness in battle at this time; it never really says whether or not they were successful in defending the castle, does it?

It's a good theory LionHarted, but we'll just have to wait until TP comes out to see if you are right.

Actually, this is less of a theory than it is me taking note of the similarities.

Originally Posted by LionHarted

ALttP says that the Knights and Sages engage the darkness in battle at this time; it never really says whether or not they were successful in defending the castle, does it?

Note I said that the manual made it sound like the darkness was about to engulf Hyrule Castle, not that that was what actually happened .

You know, I think this theory sounds likely. I've for some time believed that TP possibly may be the Sealing War. My theory then is (if I go with the Wise Men-timeline, which puts ALttP after TWW) that Ganon enters the Golden Land and takes the Triforce. Unfortunately for him, Link returns while he's still there (the Door of Time is open when he returns to his own time, so it's got to be AFTER Ganon entered the Golden Land) and he's trapped in there.

Then in TP he somehow manages to escape the Dark World without breaking the Seal, and he creates the Twilight Realm which is this 'Ganon's malice' the Japanese manual mentions. At the end he's killed rather than defeated. Remember that the only seal TWW mentions is that of the gods, which is the Flood.

Anyway, a few generations after TP he returns in a red wrath and causes havoc on the land. No hero can be found, so the gods choses to seal away Hyrule by covering her with millions of tons of water.

Generations later Hyrule has been forgotten, but many of her legends remain. TWW occurs, and Ganon is sealed in stone. It's official that the Koroks will resurrect Hyrule, and the Flood is a perfect explanation of how the Hylia lost their powers (though I believe it's returned to them after ALttP, because Hyrule obviously enters a new Golden Age; which is why I think FSA can go after ALttP).

Now for the speculation. There's still two pieces that must be explain for the puzzle to be complete. Why are Ganon and the Triforce in the Dark World in ALttP? I'll start with the Triforce. As we see, when King Daphnes Nohansen touches it it splits up and disappear. Originally, I thought it was just what happen when someone whose heart is not in balance touches it. Could be, but there's a different solution. I believe the King might already be dead, and because of that the Triforce simply returned to the Dark World.

Now for Ganon. Sure, he's immortal and all that, but how can anyone survive being stabbed in the head like that? My guess is that he might have died, and his spirit found its way to the Dark World.

Very plausible. If this is true, I will have to rethink the WW-ALttP theory... darn it.

Anyway, a few generations after TP he returns in a red wrath and causes havoc on the land. No hero can be found, so the gods choses to seal away Hyrule by covering her with millions of tons of water.

I always thought that TP would feature him returning in a red wrath. The King of Red Lions makes a point to tell us that the Ganon in TWW is the same Ganon from OoT.

which is why I think FSA can go after ALttP.

FSA demonstrates a reincarnation of Ganon and the origins of the Trident, both of which were missing before ALttP. FSA also details that the thieves from Kakariko (known as Blind's thieves in ALttP) vacated to the Lost Woods, where they remain in ALttP. There's no reason for FSA to be after ALttP, but there are plenty of reasons for FSA to be before.

Why are Ganon and the Triforce in the Dark World in ALttP?

Ganon is explicitly said to have "rediscovered" the Sacred Realm sometime before/during ALttP.

I think you'll find that whatever the representation of Ganondorf/Ganon in legends, his physical form will be Gerudo in TP. This is because he was human in OoT and TWW. I'm pretty sure you'll find that the images of Ganon reflect his Satan-esque character rather than his physical form.

Originally Posted by Thunderbird

You know, I think this theory sounds likely. I've for some time believed that TP =
Generations later Hyrule has been forgotten, but many of her legends remain. TWW occurs, and Ganon is sealed in stone. It's official that the Koroks will resurrect Hyrule, and the Flood is a perfect explanation of how the Hylia lost their powers (though I believe it's returned to them after ALttP, because Hyrule obviously enters a new Golden Age; which is why I think FSA can go after ALttP).

Official? Pah. Source?

Originally Posted by darthcucco

Official? Pah. Source?

Source? Look at this:

Originally Posted by Korok

Great Deku Tree! This year you have once
again produced some splendid seeds!

With these seeds, we will continue to
spread new forests across the Great Sea.

Originally Posted by Great Deku Tree

Every year after the Koroks perform this
ceremony, they fly off to the distant
islands on the sea and plant my seeds
in the hopes that new forests will grow.

Forests hold great power--they can change
one tiny island into a much larger island.
Soon, a day will come when all the islands
are one, connected by earth and grove.

And the people who live on that great
island will be able to join hands and,
together, create a better world.

Such is my dream.

'Nuff said?

Does that mean they succeed?

Originally Posted by darthcucco

Does that mean they succeed?

No, but have you got proof that they don't succeed?

Originally Posted by ZeldaGamer21

No, but have you got proof that they don't succeed?

No, but sailing off into the horizon would be a bit stupid if they come back to find that the Koroks have solved the problem. Oh... and there would be no info to build a country on.

Originally Posted by darthcucco

No, but sailing off into the horizon would be a bit stupid if they come back to find that the Koroks have solved the problem. Oh... and there would be no info to build a country on.

What evidence is there that Link and Tetra did find a place to build a new Hyrule? The events in PH sort of distract them from doing that.

Originally Posted by ZeldaGamer21

What evidence is there that Link and Tetra did find a place to build a new Hyrule? The events in PH sort of distract them from doing that.

Did I say that they found a place? Even if they did, it would not be Hyrule. No, my point is, that finding a new land distracts them from unflooding Hyrule.