Swords Through the Ages

I know you guys are gonna start bashing the n00b (yeah, I called myself a n00b, what're you gonna do about it?), but I think that we should start talking swords.

And here's the first item up for bid:



And the next one:



Why do I show these beauts? Because I think I now know where our beloved Magic Sword comes from. Now, don't start that hilt crap up until I finish, m'kay? When you visit the 'Dark World Fairy', she will 'swap' your Tempered Sword for a Golden Sword.

Most people right now would say, 'So what? It's a sword UPGRADE.' I think not, she says that she will give you something better, implying that she actually gives it back as well as give you the Golden Sword.

More proof that this sword isn't the Master/Tempered Sword is because it's no longer necessary. The Master Sword was needed to deflect Evil Magic, which was no longer needed with Agahnim 'dead'.

I think that the Golden Sword itself might be a 'Great-Fairy Sword' (not the one from Majora's Mask, just another one!) These swords are commonly known as the 'ultimate' swords.

Now, as surely as LOZ-Historian theorized that the Four Sword weakened into the White Sword, I say that the Golden Sword became the Magic Sword. As you can see, the 'Gold-finish' on the blade is wearing off in its picture.

*Blindfolds self*

I'm done, let the n00b-bashing commence!

I can see your point about these two swords. The blades are identical in shape and I can see the "gold finish" wearing off on the Magic Sword. But how do we know that that sword was the one Link used in AoL? It looks far too fancy and detailed to be a battle sword, as it would be extremely uncomfortable to wield. Plus, in all the AoL artwork of Link, his sword looks nothing like that. I think that Magic Sword was made just for the logo to make it look pretty.

Also, I don't think it would be the Golden Sword even though the blades are the same, mainly because the hilts are too different. For one, the Gold Sword's handle is longer than the Magic Sword's handle, and the end of the handle is far less detailed on the Golden Sword. Also, the Golden Sword's hilt is wider than that of the Magic Sword, and is a slightly different shape aswell.

It's a good theory, but I don't think it is so, unless the Golden Sword becamethe AoL logo sword like you've said and it was used just for display, seeing as no one would bother wielding it, as it would be very uncomfortable.

The Light Sword is my most favorite swor din the entier Zelda saga. By the way, are those pics actually offical? Where did you find them? There really nice.

Anyway, I am not implied to disagree or agree that the Magic Sword is the Master Sword. But there needs to be more proof to give an explanation to how it is upgraded into the Magic Sword from ALttP to the LoZ and AoL. Nontheless I do believe that the Light Sword is a whole different sword altogether. Not an upgraded version of the Master Sword.

This is a good find.

Here's the Golden Sword

And here's the Magic Sword

They are listed, so they won't show up right away...


EDIT: Hey, we've got One n00b, Two WISE MEN, and a representative of each clan, let's make it a Party!

General Question. How can the Master Sword become the Tempered Sword and then get swapped for the Golden Sword only for us to be shown Link returning the original Master Sword to the pedestal in ALTTP's ending? In my personal opinion, the Tempered Sword and Golden Sword are gameplay devices. They also compromise the importance of the Master Sword's power to repel evil.

Gameplay device or not, it's still part of the story.

Originally Posted by Link-herooftime

Gameplay device or not, it's still part of the story.

True, but it gives us an idea of the importance that items have in relation to the timeline. If something was made specifically as a gameplay device then the developers will see no reason to refer to it or include it other games or in the storyline itself. The Great Fairy who gives you the Golden Sword doesn't even refer to it by name. Trying to give timeline importance to things just because they happen to exist in the games is not sufficient reason to base the theory upon. If you check the new Aonouma topic, you will find that the beast Ganon in OoT's ending was not specifically designed with Pig Ganon in mind, so how can we relate it to Pig Ganon when it was never meant to bare resemblance?

But it shows that Ganon would go so far as to turn himself into a beast in order to destroy those in his way.

Also, Don't bring that in here, I've enough trouble dealing with LionHarted and Darthcucco's petty arguments.

Originally Posted by Link-herooftime

But it shows that Ganon would go so far as to turn himself into a beast in order to destroy those in his way.

Also, Don't bring that in here, I've enough trouble dealing with LionHarted and Darthcucco's petty arguments.

Out of interest, did you actually read the quote and the reason why I used the quote in reference (because that last statement about beast Ganon had nothing to do with what I was saying)?

My point is that a gameplay device is not necessarily related to another gameplay device just because they look similar. It's like saying the Mirror Shields are the same or the Pegasus Boots are the same and therefore they must be important to the timeline. There's a simple rule of thumb to use in these situations. If a game storyline places particular importance on an item, such as the Master Sword, the Four Sword or an item that is entitled such as the Ocarina of Time, these can be used in timeline discussion because they are central to the story, not just gameplay devices. Why do we not see the Magical Sword in any game other than LoZ? Why do we not see the Golden Sword in any game other than ALTTP? Why were they not properly mentioned in their relevant games? Because the developers honestly don't care about these items. They served their purpose in the gameplay and absolutely none in the storyline of the games they appeared in.

People have different interests in 'Gameplay devices'. For instance, I am interested in the Swords and the Instruments.

By your own right, I could easily link ALttP's Flute to TMC's Ocarina of Wind. Does that mean that they are the same? No, but there are such links to various other games throughout the series.

Even if it's just an homage, it should still be taken into consideration when brought into the theories, another case-in-point being the Biggoron Sword and Master Sword showing up in the Oracles.

Originally Posted by Link-herooftime

People have different interests in 'Gameplay devices'. For instance, I am interested in the Swords and the Instruments.

By your own right, I could easily link ALttP's Flute to TMC's Ocarina of Wind. Does that mean that they are the same? No, but there are such links to various other games throughout the series.

Even if it's just an homage, it should still be taken into consideration when brought into the theories, another case-in-point being the Biggoron Sword and Master Sword showing up in the Oracles.

Why? The whole point of theorising is because the developers have not specified a timeline for us to follow. Therefore, there is no point in theorising about something if we now almost for sure that the developers did not have those ideas in mind. We are working out the timeline, not making up the timeline. If the developers makes a deliberate reference to an item within a game's storyline, we know that the developers are using that item/concept in the timeline. If the item is just a namesake or similar-looking item in relation to another, and both items aren't given storyline credit, it really serves no real purpose to analyse the items.

That's why I brought up the Beast Ganon example. If Beast Ganon is not meant to relate to Pig Ganon, what's the point of making the comparison based on our own interpretation? The developers will not be observing it from that standpoint after all and future games/official timeline documents will not feature such concepts.

Which is when such ideas will be retconned, my friend.

This thread was placed here to show which swords MIGHT relate to one another. After all, a HERO is only as good as his equipment.