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My theory on why Din aids Ganondorf

I was working on this theory last night It is my opinion that Ganon is not working alone, except in Wind Waker. He is receiving an enormous amount of aid from the Goddess Din. How did I come to that obviously assumptuous conclusion? Well, first, I must explain a few things.

Everyone knows the story about the Triforce. The Three Goddesses (Din, Farore, and Nayru) set upon the world and created with their might, and they left behind the Triforce, a powerful artifact composed of three smaller Triforces (Courage, Wisdom, and Power).

Well, we also know who received the three pieces of the Triforce: Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf. However, there is one piece of information about that most people seem to forget: those three were pre-destined to receive their pieces. Now, I'm not talking about "destined" in a romantic sense, but for its literal definition. Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf were chosen ahead of time to get the Triforce.

Now, we move on to the meat of the theory. If the Goddesses chose ahead of time who they were going to give the Triforce to, then why did Din choose someone as evil and relentless as Ganondorf? Because she herself is evil. The concept of "Power" reeks of evil in most cultures, and seeing that the Legend of Zelda has many, many mythological elements, it would appear that Power would be just as evil here as well. It is obvious that Din is evil, but I will support my theory further.

In OoT, the Triforce was being kept, in its entirety, in the Temple of Time. When Ganondorf went to touch it, it shattered into three pieces because he was not destined to receive the whole thing. Hear that? He was not destined to receive the whole thing.

Now, there is an inconsistency with this, because he DOES eventually get it (by a LttP), defying fate. Now, he possibly couldn't defy fate by himself. Who could have the power to defy fate all by him/herself? None other than the Goddess of Power. Obviously, something by now has happened in the Heavens, and Farore & Nayru cannot contend with Din's power, as they do nothing to stop their sister from breaking the rules.

Now, I am sure that you are asking me, "Why can't they do anything? Link and Zelda deal with Ganon all the time. Farore and Nayru can probably take Din." This statement is misleading, because Link and Zelda can only take Ganon when they have some help. We do not know that the Light Arrows and Master Sword are affiliated with Nayru and Farore (and it is doubtable that they are, seeing that it never mentions them creating them), and seeing that Zelda & Link can only defeat Ganon with those weapons, it is a perfectly logical conclusion to say that Farore and Nayru cannot defeat Din. So, realizing this, Din overpowers them and screws with fate.

I Also came across an explanation semi-related to why I think this, despite how many times Ganon is sealed away, he always manages to escape, and no explanation is given. Surely, seven sages (and numerous other things) can put up some seal to keep him away, right? Nope, because Din is the one who helps Ganon escape time and time again.

Now, there is something earth-shaking that happens by Wind Waker: the Goddesses drown Hyrule in a bid to defeat Ganon. Goddesses. Two Goddesses: Farore and Nayru. Obviously, they have done something by now to defeat Din, and they make an attempt on Ganon's life. Also, Ganon reverts back to Ganondorf, further proof that something happened to his malicious benefactor.

I don't know about everyone else, but I thought this theory answeres alot of questions. It seems perfectly plausable and probable. Comments please.
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Old 09-12-2006, 04:23 PM
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Re: My theory on why Din aids Ganondorf

Here's a part you never noticed, the remains of the triforce go to their 'destined' owners. Ganon took it first, but because he treasured Power above all else, Power went to him.

It's a vicious cycle of Balance, that's all it is...
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Old 09-12-2006, 04:23 PM
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Re: My theory on why Din aids Ganondorf

I'm not much of a Zelda theorist so I have to ask, where in the Zelda games does it say that all three pieces of the triforce were predestined?

And isn't the priestess or whatever of Din captured and imprisoned by Ganon's forces in Oracle of Seasons? Why would she nurse Link back to full health, instead of destroying Farore's little pet hero?

Also remember that power does not have to mean evil. Superman had power. God (if you believe in one) has power, yet are not evil.

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Old 09-12-2006, 04:27 PM
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Re: My theory on why Din aids Ganondorf

That is one of the worst theories I've ever come across. If not the worst. The three Goddesses have equal power, and they created Hyrule together. Why would Din want to help Ganon/dorf destroy something she helped make? I do not remember anywhere saying that Link, Zelda and Ganon/dorf were destined to have the three pieces of the Triforce. It was always up for grabs by anyone.

About you saying Ganondorf was destined to have the Triforce of Power. That's completely wrong. Remember the legends of the Triforce in OoT? They say that if someone who has power wisdom and courage in balance, they will obtain all three pieces of the Triforce. But if someones heart reflects either courage, wisdom or power more than the other two, they shall be left with the piece that reflects their heart most. In Ganondorf's case, he desired power more than courage and wisdom, therefore, when he touched the Triforce as a whole, he was only left with the Triforce of Power.

Din is not evil, no one was destined to have the Triforce, and none of what you've said makes sense.
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Old 09-12-2006, 04:27 PM
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Re: My theory on why Din aids Ganondorf

*gasps* Interesting... I don't see how and why she would do this, I assume it's the power in her. How does Din go down? This is a question for me. Din knows about Ganon[dorf] and the other goddesses knew he would be evil?

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Old 09-12-2006, 04:28 PM
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Re: My theory on why Din aids Ganondorf

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I'm not much of a Zelda theorist so I have to ask, where in the Zelda games does it say that all three pieces of the triforce were predestined?
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If the heart of the one who holds the sacred triangle has all three forces in balance, that one will gain the True Force to govern all.
But, if that one's heart is not in balance, the Triforce will separate into three parts:
Power, Wisdom and Courage.
Only one part will remain for the one who touched the Triforce...the part representing the force that one most believes in.
If that one seeks the True Force, that one must acquire the two lost parts.
Those two parts will be held within others chosen by destiny, who will bear the Triforce mark on the backs of their hands.
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Re: My theory on why Din aids Ganondorf

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I'm not much of a Zelda theorist so I have to ask, where in the Zelda games does it say that all three pieces of the triforce were predestined?

And isn't the priestess or whatever of Din captured and imprisoned by Ganon's forces in Oracle of Seasons? Why would she nurse Link back to full health, instead of destroying Farore's little pet hero?

Also remember that power does not have to mean evil. Superman had power. God (if you believe in one) has power, yet are not evil.

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Well, that brings up a question. If Ganondorf was not destined for the Triforce of power, then who was? I recall in ALttP, if you weren't destined for the triforce, you were transformed. Maybe when Ganondorf touched the triforce, it set off a reaction that caused the triforce pieces to find their destined holders. Of course, the Triforce of power remained in his hand, which means he was destined to hold it.

The same thing applied with both Link and Zelda and thats why I said that.
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Old 09-12-2006, 04:29 PM
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Re: My theory on why Din aids Ganondorf

I always have thought that Din was a little evil. Red is a very evil color. I think that it is more kinda like the lord of the rings trilogy. The power was to much for her. I also think that Farore is wimpy. She doesnt do Zelda much good.
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Old 09-12-2006, 04:30 PM
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Re: My theory on why Din aids Ganondorf

My theory isn't in an exact bias, but the fact clearly state why I think I'm right.
More comments will be appreciated.
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Old 09-12-2006, 04:31 PM
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Re: My theory on why Din aids Ganondorf

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Of course, the Triforce of power remained in his hand, which means he was destined to hold it.
No, it means that his character was turned more towards Power than Wisdom or Courage. Just play OoT and listen to the Triforce stories.
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Old 09-12-2006, 04:34 PM
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I always have thought that Din was a little evil. Red is a very evil color. I think that it is more kinda like the lord of the rings trilogy. The power was to much for her. I also think that Farore is wimpy. She doesnt do Zelda much good.
I think you mean "Nayru" - - - She does loads of help for Zelda actually, I mean where does she get her magic? And Red being an evil color? color means something, blue means loveable and kind, green is sort of like playful and active. Red is dark and downsided, but that's not true in most cases.
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Old 09-12-2006, 04:36 PM
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No, it means that his character was turned more towards Power than Wisdom or Courage. Just play OoT and listen to the Triforce stories.
Yes but if he wasn't destined to hold it you would transform, like it was said in ALttp.
And he didn't.

And besides. It doesn't matter if he "took" his piece of the Triforce. He was still fulfilling his destiny.
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Old 09-12-2006, 04:39 PM
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Yes but if he wasn't destined to hold it you would transform, like it was said in ALttp.
And he didn't.
That's because when Ganondorf entered the Sacred Realm, it wasn't the Dark World, so he didn't transform. After he touched the Triforce and made his wish, the Sacred Realm became the Dark World, and when people entered that, they transformed. There's your answer.
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Old 09-12-2006, 04:52 PM
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That's because when Ganondorf entered the Sacred Realm, it wasn't the Dark World, so he didn't transform. After he touched the Triforce and made his wish, the Sacred Realm became the Dark World, and when people entered that, they transformed. There's your answer.
Then how do you suppose Ganondorf is able to have the 1/3 of the tri-force?
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Old 09-12-2006, 04:54 PM
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Well, that brings up a question. If Ganondorf was not destined for the Triforce of power, then who was? I recall in ALttP, if you weren't destined for the triforce, you were transformed. Maybe when Ganondorf touched the triforce, it set off a reaction that caused the triforce pieces to find their destined holders. Of course, the Triforce of power remained in his hand, which means he was destined to hold it.

The same thing applied with both Link and Zelda and thats why I said that.

Actually, you weren't changed if you had the MOON PEARL. Ganon was unaffected because he made the Sacred Realm change your body to fit your personality.

ALso, OoT ISN'T THE SEAL WAR ANYMORE! Sheesh, does everyone need to be reminded of the definition of RETCON?
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