TWW Link in PH = the "hero of men" mentioned in TMC's intro?

Well, I have a very tenable theory here to share with you. TWW Link probably becomes the "hero of men" mentioned in TMC's intro. Why? Let me show you the evidence.

1. In PH, Link seems to be venturing through wide open land (I saw this in one of the trailors). It could be the Hyrule in TMC and where the Minish would appear and give the humans/Hylians the Light Force and Picori Blade.

2. In TMC's intro, it shows a monster attacking a person. This monster looks very much like a TWW Moblin, except red, not greenish blue.

3. The intro also shows a figure that is the "hero of men." This person looks very much like TWW Link, except without his hat. Even the artwork on the stainglass resembles TWW graphics.

4. It also mentions that the land of Hyrule was being attacked by evil. This could very well be the evil Link fights in PH.

5. The fact that PH most likely comes directly between TWW and TMC in the timeline is also evidence. This implies that PH will more than likely clear up TMC's back story.

So there's my evidence. TWW Link might find the Picori Blade in PH and use it to defeat the evil villain in PH and therefore become the "hero of men." He might also lose his hat to explain why the figure representing the "hero of men" looked a lot like him, but didn't have a hat. Newer forms of Moblins that might appear in PH could explain the TWW Moblin look-alike as well. I'm going to look more into this and see if I can spot anymore evidence to support this theory more.

That's all well and good, save for a few details. PH Linka nd tWW Link are one and the same, that has been confirmed. So, he couldn't be ther Hero of Men if he was already the Hero of Winds. Evn though he know longer has the Wind Waker, he is still the Hero of Winds. Second, Ph is not an immense land, it's a set of previously unexplored islands.

Maybe they're islands, but we don't know how big they are. They could be a fourth of the size of the Great Sea for all we know. One of those islands could become the Hyrule in TMC.

And I never said PH Link wasn't TWW Link. I'm not that stupid, okay? He can still be the "hero of men", just only referred to that in TMC's intro. If he had actually been known as that before, then hero and men would have probably been capitalized, yet it wasn't. You get what I'm saying?

Just because the hero in the intro was drawn with a Wind-wakerish art style doesn't mean he's the same guy as the Link in WW. If ou hadn't noticed, the Link in Minish Cap, and the Link in Four Swords both look exactly the same as the Link from WW/PH.

Originally Posted by JiminycricketX

Just because the hero in the intro was drawn with a Wind-wakerish art style doesn't mean he's the same guy as the Link in WW. If ou hadn't noticed, the Link in Minish Cap, and the Link in Four Swords both look exactly the same as the Link from WW/PH.

It means that the games probably occur in succession, though.

game artwork is by no means a solid indication of chronological placement.

The hero of men has a head band, tWW likn does not, and throughout the game (PH) thus far it seems as though link will keep his hat.

your evidence really doesn't support your claim, sorry.

Originally Posted by vacumgod

game artwork is by no means a solid indication of chronological placement.

It's not?

That's funny, I could have sworn that OoT/MM used a different art style than the rest of the series. And that TP used an "upgraded" version of the "realistic" anime style. And that TWW/PH-TMC-FS/FSA all used the "toon Link" look. And that ALttP/LA-OoS/OoA all use the same basic look and shield design. And that LoZ/AoL use the same basic style.

If it's not an indicator, it's just a really happy coincidence.

Originally Posted by LionHarted

It's not?

That's funny, I could have sworn that OoT/MM used a different art style than the rest of the series. And that TP used an "upgraded" version of the "realistic" anime style. And that TWW/PH-TMC-FS/FSA all used the "toon Link" look. And that ALttP/LA-OoS/OoA all use the same basic look and shield design. And that LoZ/AoL use the same basic style.

If it's not an indicator, it's just a really happy coincidence.

it is a coincidence, and tWW/PH have much more in common with OoT/MM than it does with the Four sword saga, so yes, an imperfect coincidence, and LoZ/AoL do not use the same basic style, same goes with OoT and MM, they are very different from one another. OoT has much more of a soft air brush look while MM has a more sharp screen printed feel.

Originally Posted by LionHarted

It's not?

That's funny, I could have sworn that OoT/MM used a different art style than the rest of the series. And that TP used an "upgraded" version of the "realistic" anime style. And that TWW/PH-TMC-FS/FSA all used the "toon Link" look. And that ALttP/LA-OoS/OoA all use the same basic look and shield design. And that LoZ/AoL use the same basic style.

If it's not an indicator, it's just a really happy coincidence.

Question: Was the Great Flood invented because of the timeline or because Nintendo wanted to introduce sailing in TWW?

Likewise, was TP's graphics more adult because it is a timeline indicator or because half the Zelda fans hated the cel shading?

There's a connection between the timeline and the artwork but the artwork is not a deciding factor in the timeline. Likewise, there is a connection between the timeline and the gameplay but the timeline is not a deciding factor in the gameplay.

Originally Posted by vacumgod

it is a coincidence, and tWW/PH have much more in common with OoT/MM than it does with the Four sword saga, so yes, an imperfect coincidence...

If TWW/PH bridge the OoT arc with the FS arc, then it's a beautifully perfect coincidence.

and LoZ/AoL do not use the same basic style

Not true. Some of the manual art was different, but much of the concept art is the same.

same goes with OoT and MM, they are very different from one another. OoT has much more of a soft air brush look while MM has a more sharp screen printed feel.

Same art style. The technique might be different. The characters look the same.

Originally Posted by jhurvid

Question: Was the Great Flood invented because of the timeline or because Nintendo wanted to introduce sailing in TWW?

The Great Flood was invented to allow Nintendo to make controlling the wind a main gameplay element. They tied it into the storyline later, and seem to be continuing to do so through PH and possibly TP.

Likewise, was TP's graphics more adult because it is a timeline indicator or because half the Zelda fans hated the cel shading?

TP's graphics were more adult because the Zelda community demanded a realistic game. TP's art is modeled after that of OoT, however, and it is also conveniently placed after OoT.

Likewise, there is a connection between the timeline and the gameplay but the timeline is not a deciding factor in the gameplay.

Gameplay comes first. Connections are made later, but still according to the art/gameplay.

Originally Posted by JiminycricketX

Just because the hero in the intro was drawn with a Wind-wakerish art style doesn't mean he's the same guy as the Link in WW. If ou hadn't noticed, the Link in Minish Cap, and the Link in Four Swords both look exactly the same as the Link from WW/PH.

I noticed. But those obviously come after TMC. And the "moblin" in the intro could have just as easily been made to look completely different and still be in the stain-glass style. That monster just bears such an uncanny resemblance to TWW's moblins that it can be considered evidence. Same goes for the "hero of men" looking a lot like TWW Link. They could have made him look like TP Link.

Originally Posted by LionHarted

Not true. Some of the manual art was different, but much of the concept art is the same.

I hope your not talking about the artist that used water colours, very detailed pen and ink drakings, and did the artwork also for LA and ALttp, and no, it wasn't concept art, it was on commision.

If I am mistaken in the artist you are reffering to, it still does not matter, because no, the concept art is not the same. Sure, they are both anime, but there are big differences. LoZ utilizes a very simplistic style reminiscent of "grims fairy tails" seen on nickelodian, the short stocky proportions are a dead giveaway. AoL features a much more matured anime style very reminiscent of somthing like inspector gadget or lupin 3rd

Originally Posted by Lionharted

Same art style. The technique might be different. The characters look the same.

No, the technique is different as is the artstyle, in MM the characters are not as soft and smooth as seem in OoT. the dark edges and shadows, and an albiet more twisted design definanty differentiates from OoT. It's like amano and, and the artists who do the manual work for the FF games sure, both are similar in concept and character design, but the art style is inherently different. Trust me on this, I'm an art major, I can see these things.

No, the technique is different as is the artstyle, in MM the characters are not as soft and smooth as seem in OoT. the dark edges and shadows, and an albiet more twisted design definanty differentiates from OoT. It's like amano and, and the artists who do the manual work for the FF games sure, both are similar in concept and character design, but the art style is inherently different. Trust me on this, I'm an art major, I can see these things.

Technique=/=style. The characters are drawn using the same style anime (general appearance), but with a different technique (darker edges).

Alright, you two are starting to get off topic. Now please stop with the art discussion and start with the thread's topic discussion. I do agree that MM and OoT have the same art style, though.