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Old 07-06-2006, 12:23 PM
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Re: What is and isn't canon

Your first map isn't up, and I presume it's OoT's map, correct? Well, if I haven't played a Zelda game before, then why are you showing me the maps? It's irrelevant. Only someone who plays Zelda can understand something like this. There's two Hyrules. Old Hyrule and New Hyrule. Old Hyrule is pre-TWW, and New Hyrule is post-PH. It's a very simple concept. Now, if you're comparing TMC Hyrule and ALttP Hyrule, they are actually rather similar. They aren't exactly the same, but TMC takes place many centuries before ALttP. Hyrule can change.
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Old 07-06-2006, 12:34 PM
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That's weird, I linked the Map right from ZU. I thought it would be best.

Anyway, when I compare the maps, this is what i see:

TMC vs. AlttP
Top left: Mountain vs. forest
Top center: graveyard/castle vs. Mountain
Top right: Waterfall/passge to the clouds vs. More mountain
Middle Left: Swamp vs. Village
Center: Village vs. Castle
Middle Right: Lake vs. Plataue
Bottom Left: Anceint swampoy ruins vs. desert
Bottom middle: Open Feild with Ranch vs. Marsh
Bottome Right: Minish forest Vs. Lake

The top right isn't bad, other than that, nothing fits. Only one place name remain, and its generic: Lake Hylia. Seems to me any Lake in Hyrule could be called Lake Hyllia.
You may say that TMC changed into AlttP over time, but the AlttP map has alot in common with the OOT map. Geography is incapable of such a reversal.
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Old 07-06-2006, 12:36 PM
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That's weird, I linked the Map right from ZU. I thought it would be best.

Anyway, when I compare the maps, this is what i see:

TMC vs. AlttP
Top left: Mountain vs. forest
Top center: graveyard/castle vs. Mountain
Top right: Waterfall/passge to the clouds vs. More mountain
Middle Left: Swamp vs. Village
Center: Village vs. Castle
Middle Right: Lake vs. Plataue
Bottom Left: Anceint swampoy ruins vs. desert
Bottom middle: Open Feild with Ranch vs. Marsh
Bottome Right: Minish forest Vs. Lake

The top right isn't bad, other than that, nothing fits. Only one place name remain, and its generic: Lake Hylia. Seems to me any Lake in Hyrule could be called Lake Hyllia.
You may say that TMC changed into AlttP over time, but the AlttP map has alot in common with the OOT map. Geography is incapable of such a reversal.
Note that swamps can be drained, lakes can be man-made, you're forgetting about Zora's Waterfall, the town could have been made into a castle, and Capcom doesn't give a damn as to the geography of Hyrule.
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Old 07-06-2006, 12:38 PM
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Fourth Canon: Anything said by Nintendo employees on the development team. One example would be the controversial statement at E3 by an employee who said that Link would go through three age zones (you know what I mean) in Twilight Princess.
What about what Miyamoto said about the timeline. OoT>>LoZ>>AoL>>>ALttP. Doesn't sound to possible to me.
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Old 07-06-2006, 12:41 PM
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Miyamoto never worked on story development after AoL. His comments are very unreliable.
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Old 07-06-2006, 12:41 PM
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But drained swamps don't turn into deserts unless theres dry out.
Dry out doesn't occur unless he area is surrounded by elevated rock.
The Desert of AlttP and OOT are surrounded by elevated rock.
Rock does not collapse, and then spring up again in the same place.
There is no rock surrounding the swamp
Therefore TMC cannot occur between OOT and AlttP.

Your right, Capcom doesn't give a damn. They were given free reign with a story set so far back in the timeline, that any screw ups they made didn't effect the whole timeline. They made there own, all new map. A different Hyrule. An older Hryule.
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Old 07-06-2006, 12:44 PM
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Miyamoto never worked on story development after AoL. His comments are very unreliable.
To correct you it was after OoT. Besides he is the creator of zelda he should know it from the back of his hand.
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Old 07-06-2006, 12:46 PM
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Miyamto cares about epic action sequences and fun games. His idea of a good storyline is "Hero kills bad guy and rescues princess". Its a formula that has worked again and again and again for Mario, Zelda, and DK (of course, with DK, replace princess with Bananas).

Anything more complicated than that, he doesn't care.
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Old 07-06-2006, 12:49 PM
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There is always a wall of land at the edge of the map. The swamp is at the edge of the map.
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Old 07-06-2006, 01:00 PM
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Doesn't matter, There's atleast one major water source between the swamp and any land-mass that would prevent rain. There is absolutely no reason for the swamp to dry out.

Still, Nothing explains going from desert surrounded by large plataues, to open swamp, and back again.
Further more, as you said, there are no Zoras in TMC, but there back again by AlttP. If its all the same land... why is that?
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Old 07-06-2006, 01:03 PM
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Doesn't matter, There's atleast one major water source between the swamp and any land-mass that would prevent rain. There is absolutely no reason for the swamp to dry out.
Note that there's also a Swamp in ALttP.

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Still, Nothing explains going from desert surrounded by large plataues, to open swamp, and back again.
Not even a Great Flood?

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Further more, as you said, there are no Zoras in TMC, but there back again by AlttP. If its all the same land... why is that?
Those are not "Zoras" in the sense that we are speaking. Those are "river Zoras" as the Zoras in OoA call them.
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Old 07-06-2006, 01:08 PM
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Right, a marsh, made in a grassy feild next to a lake, makes perfect sence. Marches show up all the time. Pretty much anywhere theres come water. Deserts are a biut more rare.

A great flood can turn a desert into a swamp. A great flood can level mountain (given enough time). What can steal the water and life from a swamp? What can build mountains?

So why aren't there river Zora's in TMC?
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Old 07-06-2006, 01:09 PM
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So why aren't there river Zora's in TMC?
There aren't river Zoras anywhere until FSA. Or was it FS? I don't remember.
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Old 07-06-2006, 02:59 PM
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There aren't river Zoras anywhere until FSA. Or was it FS? I don't remember.
There is river zoras in TWW too.
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Old 07-06-2006, 03:00 PM
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There is river zoras in TWW too.
What? Where?
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Old 07-06-2006, 03:04 PM
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What? Where?
Forest Haven. Those guys that shoot balls at you. Yes I consider them river zoras to some extent.
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Old 07-06-2006, 03:06 PM
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Forest Haven. Those guys that shoot balls at you. Yes I consider them river zoras to some extent.
Those are TWW's version of Octoroks.
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Old 07-06-2006, 03:10 PM
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Those are TWW's version of Octoroks.
Crap my bad what the hell was i thinking?:embrsd:
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Old 07-06-2006, 05:42 PM
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Crap my bad what the hell was i thinking?:embrsd:
Absolutely nothing.

As to what can create a mountain, you ever try paying attention in your science class? If you did, you'd know about something called plate tectonics. Over many years, two plates pushing against each other can create mountains. Also, along the convergence line of plates, volcanoes and earthquakes are quite common. A mountain could pop up in Hyrule at any time it wanted to.

Edit: From now on, all questions pertaining Hyrule's geography over the games goes over in Geography and Geology of Hyrule. Not here. Any timeline questions directed at me go in Master of ALttP's Linear Timeline Thread. I'm tired of your posts being off topic.
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Old 07-11-2006, 05:46 PM
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What level would the LCD, BS and CD-i games be in??
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