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Old 08-20-2012, 11:54 AM
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Majora is From Termina and Personality. It was made with the Song of Healing

I have heard many, many people say that Majora is from Hyrule. Similarily, I've heard many, many people deny Majora had any backstory, but all evidence is to the contrary. Rather than try to disprove those theories, I am going to give evidence to support this one.

Firstly, why didn't Majora just destroy Hyrule. Seeing that it had the capabilities to do so (It almost completley destroyed Termina), don't you think it would've just consumed the world it was in. No, it did not just consume Hyrule. Rather, it took advantage of the Skull Kid's bendable state of mind to go to Termina. Later in this post, I will describe reasons as to why it was Majora's desire to travel to Termina, not the Skull Kid's (these will be subtle, but you can pick up on how they would fit into this point)

Secondly, lets take a look at Stone Tower Temple. In the first room, you see an upside down broken heart shape on the ceiling. Throughout the temple, you will find several images which look similar to Majora's Mask. This definitely proves that Majora has had presence in Termina, but it does not prove that Majora's Mask did not come from Hyrule. (Got a lot of this from reading from Hylian Dan

Thirdly, I am going to quote some dialouge. When Link goes to Ikana, he finds the spirit of the Composer Brother Flat, trapped in a well. According to Zelda Wiki, Flat said "Oh Sharp, my dear brother. He sold his soul to the devil and was the one who locked me in here." Flat says Sharp sold his soul to the devil. In the past of Ikana, it is said that the corruption in Ikana came when masked figure opened the door to Stone Tower Temple. (Again Unfinished Gah)

Fourthly, I'd like to ask a question. When Skull Kid wore Majora's Mask, whose will was it to turn the Four Giants into Mask Bosses. Was it Majora or was it Skull Kid. In my opinion, it was definitely Majora. Why would Skull Kid place a mask upon the faces of Giants, the Skull Kid was not a mask, he just wore mask. Majora, on the otherhand, was a mask and much of it magic was shown to be related to mask. Majora forced these mask upon the giants much like Majora forced the Deku Mask upon Links face. Anyways, these powers obviously belonged to Majora, not the pathetic Skull Kid. When Link goes to Termina, it is discovered that Skull Kid has not done anything to the area. Why would Skull Kid visit the other areas, but not Ikana. The reason is, as I said before, Majora had already cursed the Ikanan Giant into mask form before Skull Kid came to Termina dawning Majora's Mask. Obviously, Majora had motives to destroy Termina and exact revenge on the giants, which leads me to my next point.

Fifthly, as I said before, Majora possesses a back story. I believe that this is best shown in the final scenes of the game. On top of the clock tower, after abandoning its puppet, the Skull Kid, it say, "I shall consume, I shall consume everything. Then it flies up to the moon. Link chases after it by following a whirlwind up to the moon. When Link arrives at the moon, he finds a beautiful meadow and at the center a tree. Around that tree, there are four children, all wearing the Boss Mask of the dungeons of the game. While many people believe this to be a simplification of Link or the Skull Kid's memories, I believe that in actuality, they are simplification of Majora's memories. When you talk to kids on the moon, they ask you odd questions. The first one, wearing Odolwa's mask, ask if you have friends and then ask whether those friends really like. As I said before, Majora put the Boss Mask on the Giants, not Skull Kid or Link. Therefore these are Majora's friends we are talking about. The second one, wearing Goht's Mask ask what makes other people happy and whether you do things that make people happy. At the tree, the child wearing Majora's Mask sulking to itself aside the tree. Apparently, it does not have friends and therefore is rather at loss in regards to what makes other people happy. As it is not happy itself, it obviously doesn't know what makes other happy. The next child, wearing Gyorg's Mask, ask what make you happy. Majora doesn't know what makes itself happy. It does not have friends, and it does not know how to get friends. It just sits and sulk about its life as it sits on a tree. The final child, wearing the Twinmolds Mask, ask what its true face looks like under the mask. Majora had a good side once, but its constant rejection by all of it friends caused it to go mad. He put on a mask one day thinking it would solve all of it problems. Now, it is a mask, alone and sad, without a face under itself. If you complete all of the children's games of hide and seek by giving them mask, the child in the center of the tree wearing Majora's Mask ask where the other children, gives Link the Fierce Deity Mask, and then ask Link to play a game of bad guys and good guys. If Link excepts, the final boss battle of the game starts. These actions shows many things about Majora. Obviously, It may seem rather odd that Majora considers the final boss battle as a 'game'. In reality, I believe that Majora lost faith in others and became a monster. The fact that Majora itself calls something as terrible as ending the world a game (because if it won, the end of everything was going to happen), it shows that by becoming the monster it is in Majora's Mask, it treats everything like a game. Majora became a monster because of the people surrounding it when it was alive, not because it was insane from the getgo.

(If you are not convinced yet, here is a bit of evidence that supports that it is Majora's thoughts on the moon, not Link or the Skull Kids. Firstly, Majora's Mask abandons Skull Kid. It says he is a puppet and not useful anymore. If Skull Kid is not important to Majora, then why would Skull Kid's thoughts pervade Majora's on the moon. Majora thinks of Skull Kid as trash. And as I have said before, Majora has some sort of relation to the Giants (it put the mask on them), much like Skull Kid. Secondly, when it says it will consume everything, it does so with punctuation ellipses (...), which are used by all the children on the moon. Because this is the way Majora speaks (it is not done anywhere else in the game) and the children on the moon speak the same way, it makes it even more certain that the scene on the moon is part of Majora's Mind.)

Finally, Majora's Mask was made by the Song of Healing. Some people may say Majora is a being without feeling, with only one desire, to destroy the world. However, I don't think this is the case. While the HMS point to a tribe using the mask for its dark power, it is never said that they created. It is impossible for that to happens. All of the spirits ensnared into the mask received by the Song of Healing are of saddened, unfulfilled, or restless soul. It does not affect truly evil souls as it did not soothe Sharp (who sold his sold to Majora) whatsover. As I have proved the fifth paragraph, Majora did have humanity and with this humanity came regret and terrible thoughts. Of all the mask recieved by the Song of Healing, the Gibdo Mask could not be more similar to Majora's Mask than it already is. The Gibdo possessing the mask must have been tired with the world. It had lived forever under the curse brought upon by Sharp's Song of Death. It decided, in a game like fashion, to possess the Scientist in the Music house. Similarily, as shown by its actions and words at the end of the game, Majora is fed up with life because it lack things to make it happy. In its final gambit, it resort to end all that is suffering, including itself (this is best shown in one final 'game'

Honestly, if I were to say who I think Majora is, you'd have to look at my Happy Mask Salesman is Majora Thread, however, I haven't really developed it as much this one. This thread is to prove Majora is not just some demon who kills people, but rather an misunderstood individual gone mad. Any ways, yeah for Majora's Mask for letting us overanalyze the game for a complex backstory. (This is not yet finished)

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Don't speak out of line, stupid fairy! (Majora's Mask Talking Through Skull Kid)

When a body is used by another, it can be called nothing but a puppet. This one has served its purpose, and it is useless. (Majora's Mask After Dumping Skull Kid)

Do you want to play with me? OK, let's play good guys and bad guys... I'll be the good guy, and you be the bad guy... (Masked Child Wearing Majora's Mask)

Can I ask... a question? Your friends... What kind of... people are they? I wonder... Do these people... think of you... as a friend? (Masked Children)

Can I ask... a question? What makes you happy? I wonder... what makes you happy... does it make... others happy, too? (Masked Children)

Your true face... What kind of... face is it? I wonder... The face under the mask... Is that... your true face? (Masked Children)

The right thing... what is it? I wonder, if you do the right thing, does it really make everyone happy? - (Masked Children)

I shall consume. Consume... consume everything... ---Majora (After Dumping Skull Kid's Body)
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Old 08-20-2012, 12:41 PM
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Re: Majora is From Termina and Personality. It was made with the Song of Healing

I agree that Majora isn't from Hyrule, and for that matter, neither is the Happy Mask Salesman... But I don't think the birthplace of Majora is Termina, I would sway more towards the possibility that much like in the manga, she was once a beast and then, upon death, her armour-like hide was crafted into a mask to seal the evil away. This also fits into the game's canonical text "ancient tribes used it for hexing ceremonies"--- somewhat.

Anyway, we all know the Happy Mask Salesman is a bit of a crazy character, but what you may not know is that he was once a mask salesman in Labrynna, too. Labrynna is the land featured in Oracle of Ages, and in this game, you trade the Happy Mask Salesman meat for a doggy mask. Ergo, rather than calling him the "Happy" Mask Salesman, I called him the Hungry Mask Salesman. But, upon giving him the meat, he returns to a happy status and repeats a text that sounds a lot like something you would here from the HMS in Majora's Mask. I'll let you figure what he says for yourself -- or with luck, tlozbj might tell you also, a mask is featured on the wall of the shop that resembles Majora's Mask.

The HMS in Labrynna is considerably and undeniably younger, so, in a nutshell, I think both Majora and the Happy Mask Salesman come from the distant land of Labrynna.
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Old 08-20-2012, 01:06 PM
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Is it, "Just have faith...?" Teehee.
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The HMS in Labrynna isn't the same person as the one in OoT/MM.

The HMS in Labrynna is human, while the one in OoT/MM is Hylian. Look at their ears.
So we see him invoke organs from nothingness,teach you a song to transform sadness into masks,get a demonic mask withought getting possesed,teleport at the end of MM and he cannot be the same as the one from OoT and MM just because his ears. He can do all of that but not change his ears. It is highly improbable he cannot do simple magic as changing body parts.
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Old 08-20-2012, 11:05 PM
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I always thought the childlike personalities were the Skullkid, and maybe others Majora has controlled. I'll agree that Majora was the one that probably wanted to go back to Termina more than Skull Kid. I don't think it's impossible to believe the ancient tribe created Majora, since the only thing we know about them is that they possessed it and purposefully or accidentally infused the mask with dark magic.

MM probably has one of the best stories in the series. At least to me. I believe Majora was likely trapped in the tower in Ikana, and maybe guarded by a fifth giant. Unfortunately it got out, sealed the giant, and found its way to the HMS.

There are a lot of tales about sealed evils escaping and needing to be resealed or destroyed for good.

I don't know if Majora had anything personal against the giants, but just knew the giants could stop it and fueled the Skull Kid's own anger towards them to get him to help get rid of them.
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Interesting! But... if I may -- how would the children on the moon represent the SkullKid? It was to my knowledge that the SkullKid passed out after Majora had abandoned him.
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Part of the Skull Kid was inside Majora. It probably takes part of the personality or soul of whoever it possesses as it goes along. Besides, the skull Kid had some part in the moon's creation. Majora just takes it over at the end before you hear the consume everything line.
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My personal theory is that the moon is a sentient being because he has a face and drops a single tear in the game, and the scene you see inside of him is the Skull Kid's backstory the way he saw it. Everything has been downscaled. Clocktower? A tree. Giants? Mere children in his eyes. The masks? Scrambled memory. Only by unscrambling the maze that is the Moon's mind will you find Majora's Mask who has sought refuge in the center of the moon.

I also believe that the moon has a great regard for Link, and that the Fierce Deity mask is a representation of how the moon sees Link, or the Moon has chosen Link to be his representative champion, explaining the moon crest on Fierce Deity's armor.
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Where does it say that part of the Skull Kid was inside Majora? I've never seen that anywhere. In fact, Majora claimed the Skull Kid to be a mere puppet, meaning Majora had no further intentions of use for the Skull Kid.
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I'd say Majora's Mask has no connection to Hyrule at all. Well, you know, besides his interaction with Link. The woods in which Link met the Stallkid were unknown, and I'd say Majora is neither from Hyrule nor Termina. And I'm going with the original description that Termina isn't even of Hyrule's world. But who knows Majora's origins? Meh, Majora's Mask was a minor character in the series and has little to no significance to Hyrule whatsoever. Not much to theorise about
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Where does it say that part of the Skull Kid was inside Majora? I've never seen that anywhere. In fact, Majora claimed the Skull Kid to be a mere puppet, meaning Majora had no further intentions of use for the Skull Kid.
It is assumed because the scene inside of the moon greatly resembles the backstory of the Skull Kid, who felt abandoned by the four giants. Take note that the child wearing Majora's Mask is feeling sad because the other kids wearing the masks that sealed the giants refuse to play with him.

It's not my theory as to why this scene is present, but it is nonetheless a very good one.
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So the mask were on the Giants? Well I thought the masks were just powereful enough to make themselves into bosses. Plus maybe Majora was a evil person who was turned into a mask by the 4 giants
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Let me first give a lot of respect for hosemisnuba and his elaborate OP. Very good, consistent theorizing!

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So the mask were on the Giants? Well I thought the masks were just powereful enough to make themselves into bosses. Plus maybe Majora was a evil person who was turned into a mask by the 4 giants
Majora locked the spirits of the 4 Giants into the "Boss Masks", so only someone with significant powers would be able to defeat them and thus purify them / release the Giants from the masks.

So what exactly did it mean when the 4 Boss Masks stirred to life again in Majora's boss room?
I think that though the Giants' spirits were freed, the masks themselves were still evil, and possibly Majora's underlings. Majora made them come after you again (as projectile-shooting masks), though their original "grandeur" was defeated. It's also possible Majora merely possessed the 4 Boss masks in the final battle with part of its mind, though that seems a bit more tricky to explain I guess.

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So we see him invoke organs from nothingness,teach you a song to transform sadness into masks,get a demonic mask withought getting possesed,teleport at the end of MM and he cannot be the same as the one from OoT and MM just because his ears. He can do all of that but not change his ears. It is highly improbable he cannot do simple magic as changing body parts.
Bear in mind that CAPCOM made the Oracle games, so I doubt every little detail was checked for complete consistency with previous games. The shape of non-essential characters' ears would not have been a high priority. Especially since the game isn't set in Hyrule, so Hylians were not expected to be in Holodrum or Labrynna.

There's nothing to be gained from believing it was a different Mask Salesman. I would say it was most definitely the one and only HMS, and we can only hope to see him again in future games. They've only scratched the surface of who he is and what he is all about.

He may have been born in Hyrule (Hylian, pointy ears), but he's definitely a traveler, spreading happiness everywhere with his masks. Since all we know is that "ancient tribes used MM in their hexing rituals", this could have been in ANY country, anywhere, as neither the HMS or MM is linked to just one location. It is extremely likely that Majora's Mask has seen a fair amount of countries as well, as several tribes perusing it would have eventually realized how malevolent it was, and thus try to get rid of it. In the cutscene with the HMS tells you about it, it would also seem that at least one civilization was utterly wiped out because of MM (the raging wall of fire that actually destroys Termina if you let the time run out all the way). This COULD have been in a distant era in Termina itself, I suppose.

As for the Ikana Kingdom, it's possible that MM "thrust open the doors of the Stone Tower" somewhere between OoT and MM, though there's no way to know for sure.

The Majora's Mask mark on the pushable blocks is mysterious for sure, though since they're quest-related objects it could have just been Nintendo's way of styling these items to match the game, so they wouldn't look exactly like in OoT. Termina isn't Hyrule, after all.
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