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Old 08-17-2012, 10:26 PM
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The Happy Mask Salesman and a connection to Demise

Yes when you first read it. It may sound crazy at first. But if you think about it. It makes sense.

So we know about the curse Demise puts on Link and Zelda at the end of SS. About his hate never perishing and being born anew in a new cycle. So his hatred reincarnates and his consioudness decays in the MS. But what ever happen to his spirit? That is where the HMS comes in.

We see him in:OoT,MM and OoA. He always have the same characteristics and short temper. Now if we remember Demise's curse he said a incarnation of his hatred would always follow the Hylian race. So his spirit had to do something similiar. The hatred became Ganon and the soul the HMS. We most of the times see that the HMS follows the Hylian race,have a short temper and gets very agresive and seems like he tries to kill Link.

Last and not least. His sadness for the lost of the evil in MM. When you defeat Majora we see that the HMS seems sad at the fact the mask losed it's evil. So he had to have the mask's evil for something. Probably to return to his preious form as Demise. Also it should be noted he always appaers in games where Ganon doesn't. He appaers in the child part of OoT. Where there was no Ganon. In MM there is no Ganon and he appaers. In OoA no Ganon unless you play a Linked game. So every game he appars in,some part or the whole game doesn't have Ganon.

So the sum up theory is that the HMS is a reincarnation of the soul of Demise. Because he follows the Hylian race. Hae a short temper. Connecting him to Demise's hatred and his true intentions with MM.
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:33 PM
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Re: The Happy Mask Salesman and a connection to Demise

But Ganondorf is in OoT when your a child, you see him bowing to the king in the courtyard.
Other then that, this is a very interesting theory.
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:34 PM
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Re: The Happy Mask Salesman and a connection to Demise

But I am not saying Ganondorf. I am saying the Demon King Ganon. Ganondorf only transformed into Ganon after obtaining the ToP and surely the hatred of Demise. When he got the ToP the HMS disapaer from the game. Then Ganondorf sealed and the HMS returns.
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Old 08-18-2012, 02:33 PM
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Re: The Happy Mask Salesman and a connection to Demise

Hmm, I could see a resemblance, if MM took place in Hyrule, but since MM takes place in Termina, I doubt that the curse can travel between realms.
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Old 08-18-2012, 02:59 PM
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Re: The Happy Mask Salesman and a connection to Demise

But remember that the HMS is also a living being. Not just a walking curse. Also MM seems to be the Terminan counterpart of Demise. So it would make sense that he is looking for MM to recover his past form. Explaining why he seemed sad when he noticed that MM had lost it's evil.
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Old 08-18-2012, 04:03 PM
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Re: The Happy Mask Salesman and a connection to Demise

If he's Demise's soul, then why is he so concerned about making people happy? Demise wanted to plunge the world in fear, just like his successor, Ganon.

I don't ever recall him being sad about the Mask losing it's evil. But if he was, it was probably because the mask has lost the one thing that made it special, thus lowering it's value.
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Old 08-18-2012, 04:41 PM
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I personally see the HMS as a very interesting and complex character. I'd like to see him again but then his mystery is actually something I like preserved. Your theory is very good but it's not what I believe. I think he's much more multi-faceted than just being the reincarnated spirit of evil. The man seems to set up his shop just after Link starts his quest in OoT. Now if we were just to play Ocarina of Time he is a fairly unremarkable character to be honest. The fact that he just sets up shop at the same time as Link steps out of the Kokiri Forest is quite feasibly a coincidence. None of his masks are particularly special except the Mask of Truth. How the hell did he get his hands on that? Considering other Sheikah artifacts are hidden away and hard to find, it seems peculiar that he would have that mask.
But anyway, I digress. The other masks are all basically normal, unmagical masks. However, some of those masks are most important masks in Majora's Mask, especially the Goron and Zora one and the HMS supposedly would have no foreknowledge of those masks. Again, a coincidence that he has those masks in his possession but also indicative of foreknowledge.
Coupled with his continued strangeness in MM. He is following Link-and despite saying he is following him to save him, Link entered the rabbit hole as a Hylian. With all the pits and strange rooms and locked doors on the route to Termina the HMS must have followed him that way when Link was still a human-which to me says that he knew what was about to happen. Also, it's another crazy coincidence that the HMS just so happened to be in that part of the forest at that exact time. Plausible, but peculiar. He also clearly possesses strong magic and wisdom beyond what you'd expect of a standard merchant; his knowledge of the song of healing, being able to whisk up an organ out of no where. He is also remarkably brave, considering he is prepared to fall down a great hole to help a boy he knows little about. This would suggest then that he is fully aware of who Link is, suggesting foreknowledge again. Moreover, he manages to disappear suddenly too, as if into thin air. He's certainly not normal.

Moreover, his disappointment at the loss of Majora within the mask would suggest that he potentially saw it as an equal for him. He is the only other thing there if you let the moon fall down, which suggests some supernatural involvement. The children of the moon also seem very similar to him. This would suggest then, that the HMS could be some sort of deity.

Now bear with me a second. It's a big leap, I know, but hopefully the evidence above proves the HMS is a man who appears almost to watch over Link, or at least maintain a presence there. He doesn't actively help like Kaebora Gaebora. But he is there whilst you are a child, and whilst not present til the end as an adult, who's to say he isn't there but in a different guise? He seems to have more knowledge of what is to come than one should expect, and he seems to have wider powers than the average magic man.

It has been implied also, that there are other Gods than Hylia, Din, Nayru and Farore. The Fierce Deity for example, and the Goddess of Time. In SS, they are referred to as the Ancient Ones, not the Golden Goddesses, which could suggest that there were more than just those four. Polytheism typically includes male Gods as well as female ones. Also-what is the HMS the god of, I hear you cry. Say, just for academic purposes, we align Hylia-Venus, Din-Juno, Nayru-Minerva, Farore-Diana and Fierce Deity-Mars.(I'm not suggesting that they are inspired/based on these, just showing how another polytheistic religion designates their deities) the HMS could fit under an Apollo-like god, highly complex, undefinable and an absolute s**t. An absolute limb and a half, but if the HMS was a god, then he could be similar. He doesn't have to be the God of Time or whatever. He could just be a deity. That's my personal opinion.


Well this ended up being far too long and much more windy than it was intended. Please dissect viciously at your own pleasure as it was written late at night and I'm incredibly tired...
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Re: The Happy Mask Salesman and a connection to Demise

This is a very similar theory to Majora is the Happy Mask Salesman, and in my opinion, that theory makes more sense, since Majora is the central evil of Termina. Though, Majora could be the counterpart to Demise. I never thought of Ganondorf and Majora being counterparts, since Ganondorf is but a human.
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Old 08-18-2012, 05:03 PM
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Re: The Happy Mask Salesman and a connection to Demise

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If he's Demise's soul, then why is he so concerned about making people happy? Demise wanted to plunge the world in fear, just like his successor, Ganon.

I don't ever recall him being sad about the Mask losing it's evil. But if he was, it was probably because the mask has lost the one thing that made it special, thus lowering it's value.
Because he lost all of his hatred. That soul is a new clean slate. With memories hidden inside. Surely some where reawakened in OoT. When he saw Link. Memories begun to swirled in his mind. The reason he is more of a psycho in MM.

He doesn't say it but it is implied. When you defeat Majora he holds the mask looking down at it. Then a pause is make in his dialogue and he just acts like if he was hiding something. So it can be implied he was sad of the lost of the evil in MM.
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