Is The Sky Temple in TP the remains of Skyloft?

This is something that just occurred to me. It is very possible that the Sky Temple is another island that was floating in the Sky that Link visited during SS, and it is also quite possible that it's another island altogether. I was just wondering if anyone knew of any evidence pointing to it being Skyloft, or another know island in the sky. Also, if it isn't called the Sky Temple in TP, please forgive me, as I can't recall the name.

It's called the City in the Sky, and I believe it was a new city built by the people who chose to remain in the sky while everyone else settled on the surface. I've always thought that the "Skyloftians" who remained eventually devolved into the Oocca.

I doubt it.

Though during SS development there was speculation about a relation between the two, but even the HH doesn't know.

Its actually called the City in the Sky. I personally think it is the remains of the palace of winds.

The Ooccoo were said to have founded Hyrule and simultaneously left for the sky and built thier own society.

Check with Shad in TP for the details

Originally Posted by AStinkToThePast

Its actually called the City in the Sky. I personally think it is the remains of the palace of winds.

Interesting but what about the Wind Tribe and the Palace of Winds appearance in FSA?

Originally Posted by The Baton of the Wind

The Ooccoo were said to have founded Hyrule and simultaneously left for the sky and built thier own society.

Check with Shad in TP for the details

Wouldn't that have overwritten with Skyward Sword?

I also thought I read somewhere that it was a mistranslation.

I thought it was. When the goddess left Skyloft, the Skyloft began to fall, and they had to use turbines to keep them afloat.

Originally Posted by keyaki

Interesting but what about the Wind Tribe and the Palace of Winds appearance in FSA?



Wouldn't that have overwritten with Skyward Sword?

I also thought I read somewhere that it was a mistranslation.

The mistranslation was that in NoA the Oocca created the Hylians, but in the Japanese version he said they were said to have created or founded Hyrule.

Originally Posted by The Baton of the Wind

The mistranslation was that in NoA the Oocca created the Hylians, but in the Japanese version he said they were said to have created or founded Hyrule.

Ah, I see.

But still wouldn't be overwritten by Skyward Sword and the Era of Chaos?

I don't think so. There really isn't anything similar between Skyloft and City in the Sky other than they are in the sky.

Originally Posted by keyaki

Interesting but what about the Wind Tribe and the Palace of Winds appearance in FSA?

Crap. Good point. Nevermind my theory, then.

Perhaps the Oocca and the City in the Sky predate Skyloft? I sort of had this theory that the Oocca did the work for the gods. That is, they were responsible for building the civilization on the surface world, including the buildings, the ancient robots, etc.

If you think about it, Shad does make a clear distinction between the Oocca and the Hylians, saying that the Oocca were closer to the gods. They even seem to speak a different language from the Skyloftians. We don't see them in the introduction with the other races, so perhaps we can assume they had already built their city and left before Demise and his army attacked the surface.

Their service to the Royal Family probably goes back to the days of the goddess Hylia, much like how the Sheikah were servants of her. This could also perhaps explain the connection between the Oocca and the Sheikah-why Impaz and her ancestors have guarded the Ancient Sky Book for generations- they probably worked together in ages past.

Perhaps we can just assume that the City in The Sky is just a place that we don't visit in Skyward Sword.

The Oocca are CLEARLY taking advantage of someone else's work. I mean, seriously now...they're...geese...?!

Skyward Sword not showing them doesn't necessarily mean that they don't exist yet; as overlooked bu many fans, Skyloft was already there (Hylia raised ONLY the statute of the Goddess with the remaining humans), so it would be silly not to think that A) other inhabited floating islands exist and B) Skyloft is still around somewhere in the skies.

What shad says is just...oral tradition.
Let's say I live on an island with a monkey. I build a house and then leave the island. Someone else finds the island and thinks the monkey built the house. The Oocca are the monkey.
Simple as that, IMO.

Originally Posted by Lord Mortipher

The Oocca are CLEARLY taking advantage of someone else's work. I mean, seriously now...they're...geese...?!

Skyward Sword not showing them doesn't necessarily mean that they don't exist yet; as overlooked bu many fans, Skyloft was already there (Hylia raised ONLY the statute of the Goddess with the remaining humans), so it would be silly not to think that A) other inhabited floating islands exist and B) Skyloft is still around somewhere in the skies.

What shad says is just...oral tradition.
Let's say I live on an island with a monkey. I build a house and then leave the island. Someone else finds the island and thinks the monkey built the house. The Oocca are the monkey.
Simple as that, IMO.

Huh.

Maybe they previously lived on Skyloft but left sometime before Hylia moved her people there? I could see that happening.

This seems to have become a debate about who founded Hyrule first, much like in our world who should be credited with discovering America, Columbus or the Vikings? Vikings found it first but Columbus brought Europe to America.
Anyway, if the City in the Sky is Skyloft WHY would the humans turn into Oocca? There is no reason for that.

I think that the Oocca predate Skyward Sword, possibly building the various bird statues we see. Either that, or the statues were modeled after them.

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Originally Posted by amladeus

This seems to have become a debate about who founded Hyrule first, much like in our world who should be credited with discovering America, Columbus or the Vikings? Vikings found it first but Columbus brought Europe to America.
Anyway, if the City in the Sky is Skyloft WHY would the humans turn into Oocca? There is no reason for that.

Because resources. Once Hylia's blessing left Skyloft and the Triforce was hidden someplace else, the soil wasn't fertile anymore. Disease spread in, and everything became limited. Without the ability to easily return to the surface, the arrogant fools who stayed in Skyloft would've starved.

Originally Posted by Anima†eur

I think that the Oocca predate Skyward Sword, possibly building the various bird statues we see. Either that, or the statues were modeled after them.

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Because resources. Once Hylia's blessing left Skyloft and the Triforce was hidden someplace else, the soil wasn't fertile anymore. Disease spread in, and everything became limited. Without the ability to easily return to the surface, the arrogant fools who stayed in Skyloft would've starved.

And somehow starvation makes them turn into little bird creatures? And I'm pretty sure the bird statues are modeled after the Loftwing. Actually it seems more likely the Loftwing become the Oocca since they are already birds.

Loftwings more likely became feral beasts, such as Kargoracs.

Anyway, there is a scientific theory I heard about—I believe it is called "Island Mitigation Syndrome"—where people on an island, in order to reduce overcrowding, would get migitated over the course of a century. Their smaller, devolved bodies would require less food and would take up less space.

In the case of the Skyloftians, the wings were an added bonus—allowing them to return to the surface for food.

Of course, this counteracts my "predating Skyward Sword" idea, but it is logical nonetheless.

If the oocca were reslly skyloftians they technically would have founded hyrule since link, zelda, and groose all were born there. And as for the bird thing well...Pipit really does love his loftwing...

^Or they naturally devolved under means proved by science, like I explained in my previous post.

Originally Posted by amladeus

I don't think so. There really isn't anything similar between Skyloft and City in the Sky other than they are in the sky.

Before anyone decides to read my post, beware that it went from my intended "basic similarities" to an entire articles worth of text about how the mythology of the three sky races ( the Skyloftians, the Wind Tribe and the Oocca) is similar in some aspects and identical in others to the point that they cannot co-exist because they have the same origins at the same point in Hyrule's history. Read away if you want!

There actually is similarities when one looks at the specific details or their histories and mythology, the simplest being that the City in the Sky has a lot of actual floating island landmass and even water and trees as part of it. We indeed know the city was partially built on islands floating in the sky, which draws its first unknown but officially acknowledged (by the developers) connection to Skyloft.

In regards their history and mythology, it was revealed in Hyrule Historia that it was the descendents of the people of Skyloft who founded and established the kingdom of Hyrule. We then have a connection with the City in the Sky once again: its creators are credited as having established Hyrule. But not only that... its creators are stated by the ancestors of the Hylian race as well, an almost explicit confirmation that the city was built by the people of Skyloft or their descendants. The city itself not only has actual landmass and water as a part of it, but is human in design, implying that the Oocca had to have once been a human race. Just the mere fact that the are the ancestors of the Hylians means that had to have once been humans and, more exact, had to have been the people of Skyloft. Further evidence comes from the fact that the Oocca seemed to have once lived on the surface before it was founded as Hyrule, which is the case with the people of Skyloft at some point after the events of Skyward Sword.

The Oocca are also credited as having helped [Rauru] build the Temple of Time, which took places shortly before Hyrule Kingdom was established and their city afterwards. Because the Dominion Rod that they left there was also intended to be wielded by a human species and imagery in the temple depicts humans with their rod, it further implies that they were once a human species.

The Wind Tribe, also a human species living in the sky, also get pulled into this. While they lived on the surface before moving to the sky, I recall implications that they once lived in the sky. The timing of their return to the sky seems to happen around the same time that the City in the Sky was established: Hyrule's earliest development as a kingdom. Because of this, we have two different species with sky ties establishing homes in the sky around the same time and both sharing special relationships with the Royal Family of Hyrule, whose ancestor first established civilization in the sky and came from there as a mortal.

To finish my post, the Oocca (or, "Sky People") are to to have been the closest race to the gods, closer even than modern Hylians. The only race evidenced to be closer to the gods are their ancestors (which the Oocc are said to be, as I said earlier in my post) from Skyloft, who once lived among a fourth goddess directly connected to the three Golden Goddesses.