[Not a theory, just a theory extension] Hyrule Historia, non-canon.

Well, that is true. When you think about it, the games don't make complete sense, so it only makes sense that the timeline doesn't make sense either

Originally Posted by Kasuto

Well, that is true. When you think about it, the games don't make complete sense, so it only makes sense that the timeline doesn't make sense either

Yeah, but none of the games EXACTLY line up.
Even in games that are direct sequels, there are minor things that don't line up, yet we accept them anyway.

Hell, back when the timeline was
OoT - ALttP - LA - LoZ - AoL

OoT didn't link into ALttP directly.

Originally Posted by Advance123

Well you don't understand what I mean. I'm talking about substitution. If one continuation of the timeline (a certain colour of line) can't exist, then another continuation (another line) will replace it. I honestly don't see what's so difficult to understand.

What does that have to do with destroying things? All that's happening is that time forks onto a different path.

Way to miss my point. What I'm saying is that because we won't get a full game with that story, we need things to tell us. A game would perhaps confuse and contradict the currently known version, but a book would, more, fill in the gaps.

Except we most likely won't get anything further to "fill in the gaps." The whole shunting all of the classic games off onto a separate branch thing is an indication that it is over and done with, and that Aonuma isn't likely to revisit it. Therefore, we have right now is a standalone work, so again, since it doesn't make sense, why shouldn't we point that out?

Originally Posted by Cayenne Pepper

And given that he's the one that has the sayso in the timeline, I'd say that HH is indisputably correct. -Without sense, but correct.

So, double-think is your poison?

I'm not sure what you mean by double-think or poison.

Sorry, I was referencing my previous post in the thread, in which I stated that either you have to disregard portions of the Historia to create a logically consistent narrative (cherry-picking), or accept the given narrative entirely while ignoring the fact that portions of it don't make sense (double-think). Although double-think may not be the best term for what I mean.

Originally Posted by Darth Yoshi

What does that have to do with destroying things? All that's happening is that time forks onto a different path.

It was just a different way of saying "This fork can't go next, now". I couldn't have said that on that blue line there's a little battle raging, and on the yellow line, one guy wins and one guy loses

Except we most likely won't get anything further to "fill in the gaps." The whole shunting all of the classic games off onto a separate branch thing is an indication that it is over and done with, and that Aonuma isn't likely to revisit it. Therefore, we have right now is a standalone work, so again, since it doesn't make sense, why shouldn't we point that out?

Well, what I'm saying is I hope we get more information. Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, and no disrespect, but I'm hoping you're wrong. Perhaps the shunting of the classic games off onto the Decline Timeline also shows that there's more story, story that tells us why it's there. These situations work both ways.

Okay, the way you post makes quoting you a pain in the arse.

Originally Posted by Advance123

It was just a different way of saying "This fork can't go next, now". I couldn't have said that on that blue line there's a little battle raging, and on the yellow line, one guy wins and one guy loses

...What? In the future maybe you should use pictures instead, because the way you've been wording this is seriously goofy.

Well, what I'm saying is I hope we get more information. Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, and no disrespect, but I'm hoping you're wrong. Perhaps the shunting of the classic games off onto the Decline Timeline also shows that there's more story, story that tells us why it's there. These situations work both ways.

So what? You can hope 'til the cows come home, but until it actually happens we can only work with what we have, and what we have has holes in it.

Originally Posted by Darth Yoshi

Okay, the way you post makes quoting you a pain in the arse.

Why don't you do it the way I do? It saves a lot of time. I'll do it this way if you want.

Originally Posted by Darth Yoshi

...What? In the future maybe you should use pictures instead, because the way you've been wording this is seriously goofy.

Yep. Not the best with analogies

Originally Posted by Darth Yoshi

So what? You can hope 'til the cows come home, but until it actually happens we can only work with what we have, and what we have has holes in it.

Basically, what I'm saying is that yes, while we can only work with the information we have at present, our working only pertains to the present.

Some of the theories and ideas based on things that are hole-ridden, just about everything in Zelda, are posted in a way that makes them seem like fact, which until we get confirmation from the big guys, aren't.

They may be true for the information given to us, though, and I think that's your point. Obviously, nobody knew about HH before that was released and some theories were disproved with some of the more respectable information from it.

Originally Posted by Advance123

Why don't you do it the way I do? It saves a lot of time. I'll do it this way if you want.

The forum automatically prunes nested quotes, and since your responses have been in within your quote of my own posts when I hit the quote button I get an empty post. Kinda defeats the purpose of the quote button.

Basically, what I'm saying is that yes, while we can only work with the information we have at present, our working only pertains to the present.

Some of the theories and ideas based on things that are hole-ridden, just about everything in Zelda, are posted in a way that makes them seem like fact, which until we get confirmation from the big guys, aren't.

They may be true for the information given to us, though, and I think that's your point. Obviously, nobody knew about HH before that was released and some theories were disproved with some of the more respectable information from it.

Precisely. It doesn't matter what information may come out in the future, because we don't know what that could be. But some of the information we've already been given, like the OoT->TP progression, don't really have any more room for expansion, and what we're left with simply doesn't work unless one or more people involved were completely stupid.

HH is canon. The people who work on the games were involved with the book. It's canon end of story.

Just read my way through some of this post and I am releasing a new video with all my opinions on the canon, non canon issue some time this evening (British time) so I will link that on here and let you all know when that's up ^_^

That would be great, WindWaker!

I agree with you Kingy and my video expressing similar thought is being uploaded right now, should be up in around an hour ^_^

Okay it's done uploading but I'm also gonna start a new thread so I can keep track of comments too

I like the spirit of this topic. I think people are free to believe in any canon they want regardless of how correct or wrong it is. It's one of the most wonderful beauties of being human: we're not bound to believe in anything we don't want to.

Originally Posted by Sanguiluna

I like the spirit of this topic. I think people are free to believe in any canon they want regardless of how correct or wrong it is. It's one of the most wonderful beauties of being human: we're not bound to believe in anything we don't want to.

But denying the obvious is ridiculous.

I can't say i don't believe in the world being a globe when its proved to be.
Or another example:
There are people on the world that deny the holocaust. In Austria and Germany you can go to prison for holocaust-denial.


Denying the canonicity of HH just because it displeases your own way of thinking is just wrong. You people have to get used to the thought that you can't always change things to what YOU want them to be.

But anyway, HH is canon regardless if some people agree or not.

Originally Posted by Kamina

Denying the canonicity of HH just because it displeases your own way of thinking is just wrong. You people have to get used to the thought that you can't always change things to what YOU want them to be.

But anyway, HH is canon regardless if some people agree or not.

This.
Why would the creators release a full length book, with many details, and call it non-canon?

Because it's more stuff for fanboys to shell out money over? That's essentially what Paramount does for Star Trek, after all. There's all sorts of Trek merchandise, including books, but everything except for TV and movies are explicitly not canon. Of course, Paramount also ended up declaring an entire episode of Voyager not canon, so maybe that's not the best example...

Originally Posted by Darth Yoshi

Because it's more stuff for fanboys to shell out money over? That's essentially what Paramount does for Star Trek, after all. There's all sorts of Trek merchandise, including books, but everything except for TV and movies are explicitly not canon. Of course, Paramount also ended up declaring an entire episode of Voyager not canon, so maybe that's not the best example...

And thats the point. HH however is canon.